Ug. On the Daily Show this week, Jon Stewart acted like McCain's position on global warming is something new. I guess he forgot that McCain introduced the first bill in the Senate to propose an actual cap on GHG emissions way back in 2004.

THEN he implies McCain's idea of a cap-and-trade system wasn't very good because oil companies are so rich they wouldn't sell their permits (trust me, I didn't understand it either). He of course forgot to mention that Obama is also riding McCain's coat-tails and proposing a cap-and-trade scheme of his own.

I really used to like that show. But now Stewart goes out of his way to bash Hillary and McCain and to just suck Obama's dick. So tiresome.

5/16/2008 12:22:31 PM

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"John McCain is just too old. How is he gonna make decisions about our future when he knows he isn't even gonna be a part of it?"

This is an ingnorant argument. He has accomplished a great deal of things in life, pretty much entirely spent in public service. I would have to assume at his age and looking at how he has spent his life his legacy is very important to him. I mean 99.99 percent of people his age are retired and relaxing, he could be too, instead he decided to run for president and managed to get nominated despite many republicans distaste for him.

If his worst fault is being old then I think he a chance of winning.

5/16/2008 3:25:54 PM

while i'm aware that he will be the oldest in history if elected... a lot of former presidents weren't exactly young bucks when they got in. what was the record with JFK for the youngest, 43? i'd personally feel better about having an old president that has more experience in the military and politics.

5/16/2008 4:04:30 PM

STRAIGHT TALK!!!!!!!!!!!!

5/18/2008 4:02:17 PM

i like the chain email ending

5/18/2008 4:39:48 PM

he pwnt the liberals on SNL

it was very funny. even the snl cast was thought it was good

5/18/2008 6:47:47 PM

this guy is a replica of Bush on all the main issues. give me a break people, cant we get a breath of fresh air in Washington?

im registered independent but it doesnt take a brain surgeon to realize that he really isnt different than ole Bush.

5/18/2008 7:18:06 PM

^^

he's hosted an entire episode before

even played john ashcroft in a hardball sketch...really funny episode...especially the streisand sketch

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"what was the record with JFK for the youngest, 43? "

youngest president was teddy roosevelt at 42

[Edited on May 18, 2008 at 7:48 PM. Reason : +]

5/18/2008 7:39:36 PM

^^ Everyone's too busy complaining about how similar the Democrats are. When someone gets nominated and everyone can see how big of a difference there is between McCain and Clinton/Obama (almost definitely Obama) then it'll start being seriously debated.

5/18/2008 7:49:40 PM

kev,

Then you have not been paying attn for 8 years.

5/19/2008 8:13:15 AM

spöokyjon

Oh Em Gee.

ThinkProgress posts that video on their blog at 3:35pm on 5/18/2008. Then YOU post it here 30 minutes later. LOL Who needs Remote Control?

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/18/the-real-john-mccain/

Anyways, most of those clips are either meaningless bullshit ("did he or did he not drive an armored vehicle!?"), silly gaffes (if you want a gaffe that worries me, Obama had no clue Iran is aiding Sunni militants in Iraq), or issues that will be DOA when McCain is President (the Democratic congress will simply not extend Bush's tax cuts).

If you want to hear some good stuff on flip-flopping, if that type of shit is really that important to you, then you try wrapping your head around the fact that Obama has taken up to 6 different positions on the Iraq war. From saying, in 2004, that his position was not that far from President Bush (meaning he wanted to leave troops in Iraq) to saying in 2008 that he would immediatley begin withdrawal as President. From saying in 2006 that he did not favor congressionally imposed time-lines for withdrawal, to proposing his own time-table for withdrawal 10 months later. From saying in 2006 that our withdrawal plan should be flexible and dictated by realities on the ground, to saying in 2008 that we would be out of Iraq in 16 months PERIOD.

You may look to my most recent post in the "Why Do you Support Obama" thread for links and quotes for all 6 positions.

Let's HOPE Obama won't CHANGE his positions again!

[Edited on May 19, 2008 at 9:02 AM. Reason : ``]

5/19/2008 9:02:12 AM

I love how you think that if I got the video from Think Progress (I didn't) it would change the meaning of the content.

5/19/2008 11:34:21 AM

I was laughing because I think it's funny anyone relies on sources they agree with for their news (its ussually a sign of people seeking to confirm their beliefs, rather than confronting their beliefs with facts and opposing view points). I obviously can't think too lowly of Think Progress. I mean, shit, I would have to read it on a regualar basis to have recognized the time stamps.

And I'm pretty sure I actually addressed the content of the video in my post...as if that matters.

So if it makes you feel better, I was laughting at you and not the content of your video.

PS* I really don't mean I was laughing at you in a mean way. I prefer to think of myself as throwing playful barbs across the internet at ppl i disagree with, as opposed to actually trying to shame them or hurt their feelings.

[Edited on May 19, 2008 at 12:04 PM. Reason : ``]

5/19/2008 11:59:26 AM

^^What content? A bunch of silly soundbytes and verbal gaffes designed to make McCain look stupid? Honestly, are you that much of a douche that you really need to stoop to that level?

What kind of discourse could you possibly be promoting with a partisan hack video like that? I'm sure I could find similar videos of Obama but I'd rather talk about actual issues.

[Edited on May 19, 2008 at 12:00 PM. Reason : 2]

5/19/2008 12:00:37 PM

and yet you rear your head here to call someone a douche.

5/19/2008 12:12:53 PM

I call a spade a spade.

I fail to see the hypocrisy in calling someone out on partisan douchebaggery. If you want to dig up a thread where I've posted stupid partisan attack videos or out-of-context quotes I'll gladly call myself a hypocrite.

[Edited on May 19, 2008 at 12:27 PM. Reason : 2]

5/19/2008 12:26:24 PM

HEY GUYS LETS ALL DIG UP SNIPPETS OF VIDEOS OF OBAMAS WIFE OUT TALKING SHIT ON AMERICA AND WHITE PPL AND PUT IT IN HERE.

oh wait, that's enough content to merit its own thread actually. but you see my point i'm sure.

5/19/2008 1:28:18 PM

Sorry if this has been discussed in here already.

How do some of you that are voting for Mccain feel about his support of "free-trade" and globalization. This issue doesnt get a lot of press but its one of my most important issues in this election.

From issues 2008: http://www.issue2008.com/mccain-on-trade-globalization/

Quote :

"Words: McCain endorses free trade and supports NAFTA, the GATT agreement, and US membership in the WTO and favors trade treaties over protectionism. “I would negotiate a free trade agreement with almost any country willing to negotiate fairly with us. Only risks to the security of our vital interests or egregious offenses to our most cherished political values should disqualify a nation from entering into a free trade agreement with us.” "

looks like his voting record supports what he says too.

I have always felt that Nafta and other treaties are not good for america. They undermine the authority of our government and the people that negotiate these treaties are not elected officials.

5/19/2008 2:56:05 PM

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"Anyways, most of those clips are either meaningless bullshit ("did he or did he not drive an armored vehicle!?"),"

You think McCain trying to characterize Iraq as a friendly and safe place is meaningless bullshit? I say it suggests the magnitude of his support for the war, disconnect with reality, or both.

5/20/2008 2:47:21 PM

so far i'm one of the most independent people on this board so i'll offer my opinion:

i think barack obama is a great candidate
i think john mccain is a great candidate

obama has engaged a tremendous following and sparked incredible interest in politics, i think this is the #1 thing needed in america, more so than micro-managing the economy and getting out of iraq.

mccain is a great moderate politician. we need this as well, i'd say at least the #2 thing we need in america, if not tied for #1 with political engagement

this is still a tough decision for me to make for president and here's why. there is not one candidate anywhere out there that i agree with 100% on all the issues. not even ron paul, and i was 150% for him.

mccain may be against abortion. i disagree with this. but this is NOT going to be a reason i vote against mccain

obama may want to raise capital gains taxes, something i'm 100% against. this will NOT be a reason i vote against obama.

you've got to vote for who is better for america, not who is better for you. that's the whole point of this country, selfless devotion to the constitution. so all of you people listing issues and his stance vs obamas and blah blah blah, it's good to see where they both stand, but understand that it's irresponsible to vote for or against someone on any one issue. and more importantly, it's reprehensible to vote against mccain because he "has a temper" or to vote against obama because when he was 8 years old a communist supposedly mentored him

5/21/2008 12:39:36 PM

Hans Gruber for VP

5/21/2008 1:43:37 PM

^ YES!!!

5/21/2008 1:45:03 PM

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"Five lobbyists have been shown the door of McCain’s Virginia campaign headquarters in the past week, including Tom Loeffler, who is largely credited with keeping the senator’s primary campaign financially afloat long enough to capture the Republican presidential nomination. “If it was OK to have these people working for you in February, why is it not OK today?” asked one Republican lobbyist who counts a friend among the new McCain outcast class. The timing, motivation and even the details of the policy itself all are the subject of debates and consternation this week at water coolers, in restaurants and on conference calls on K Street. “McCain’s self-righteous [expletive] has caught up with him. Now he’s got himself in a jam,” said another Republican lobbyist who asked to remain anonymous because he is a campaign volunteer. “He’s got to change the subject back to economic growth and taxation and the war on terror.” And there’s this thought from another McCain supporter: “I find it a little offensive. It was good enough to get my $2,300 donation. If we’re not good enough, then send my check back. It pisses me off.”"

http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20080521/pl_politico/10497;_ylt=AlGH5cIM.xQ_XDP3Y3cwvPSs0NUE

5/22/2008 11:24:18 AM

yeah it was sucked at first like 2 weeks ago when rat brought up the fact that obama dismissed one advisor

and then it happened to mccain so i was like ok good at least i can say that

and then 4 more got fired lol

5/22/2008 11:33:37 AM

at least he's getting rid of them

obama is just sniping the ones that get caught. lol

5/22/2008 11:35:03 AM

Well, he's getting rid of them primarily because a couple of them "got caught" lobbying for dictatorships. It's not like he's doing it out of the goodness of his heart. Furthermore, the simple fact of the matter is that if he were to fire every single lobbyist on his campaign staff, he would be able to continue campaigning. They're so deeply embedded and ever present within his campaign and fund raising infrastructure that there is no way he can ever extricate them.

5/22/2008 1:06:23 PM

Also, regarding veeps:

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"Names are being thrown all about, and segments on the talk shows debating the pros and cons of all the potential picks are already in full swing. In fact, for the first time in a long time, Senator McCain created "breaking news" on MSNBC, when it was reported that he was meeting with Bobby Jindal, Charlie Crist, and Mitt Romney this weekend."

5/22/2008 1:57:51 PM

old news

[Edited on May 22, 2008 at 2:10 PM. Reason : .]

5/22/2008 2:10:12 PM

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"Obama may like voters to think he'd cross the street rather than deal with a lobbyist, but nine of his campaign staffers are former lobbyists, and some of his informal advisers are current lobbyists."

http://blogs.usatoday.com/oped/2008/04/obamas-claims-o.html

Former lobbyists include Teal Baker and Emmett Beliveau and Steve Hildebrand (his deputy campaign manager). Current lobbyists advising the campaign include Moses Mercado Of Ogilvy Government Relations.
http://www.slate.com/blogs/blogs/trailhead/archive/2008/05/19/obama-s-lobbying-ties.aspx

5/22/2008 2:31:08 PM

Fucking FORMER. Obama has not hidden that fact. It's on his fucking website.

http://factcheck.barackobama.com/factcheck/2008/02/08/fact_check_on_public_citizens.php

5/22/2008 2:38:47 PM

From the Slate article you linked

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"The Obama campaign restricts current lobbyists from joining the campaign. But a bunch of former lobbyists have helped out—including deputy campaign manager Steve Hildebrand, Teal Baker, and Emmett Beliveau—who could easily slip back onto K Street once the campaign is over. Obama now has 14 bundlers who are also federally registered lobbyists, but they are currently inactive, according to Public Citizen. (Clinton has 22 lobbyist bundlers; McCain has 70.) However, campaign-finance reformers point out that no campaign has ever taken the step of banning current and former lobbyists. “It’s hard to come up with any stronger of a firewall,” says Craig Holman of Public Citizen. That’s not to say there isn’t a distinction between Obama and McCain. “The McCain campaign, you can’t spit without hitting another lobbyist there,” says David Donnelly, director of the Public Campaign Action Fund. Likewise, Obama has kept lobbyists at arm's length all along, while McCain’s campaign only instituted its ethics policy last week after two embarrassing departures. (Regional campaign manager Doug Davenport and Republican convention chief Doug Goodyear had both represented the military government in Burma.) “I believe he now understands that it is going to hurt him,” says Holman. “That’s why he’s taken this new ethics pledge. He recognizes Obama has gained the high road.”"

And, just curious (I'm not very good at math): if Obama has 9 former lobbyists on his payroll, and McCain has over a hundred, who has more?

5/22/2008 2:43:35 PM

don't confuse him. He thinks days are longer than months.

5/22/2008 2:46:59 PM

spookyjon,

Thank you for re-posting the article I already linked. That was helpful.

My point was that the Obama campaign is hardly clean of lobbyist influence. You are also selectively quoting the blog post. If you will read the whole thing you will find out that current state and local lobbyists are okay with his campaign, so are employers of lobbyists, employees of firms that lobby, former lobbyists themselves, and even current federal lobbyists (so long as they're not on the payroll where the public can see them). In fact, that last bit shoudl worry you most, since Obama refuses to provide a list of all his advicers. I doubt you will hear any of these qualifiers and caveats in a stump speech.

Now, I don't understand your reaction. I was not excusing McCain employment of Lobbyists (in fact, I never mentioned him). I was simply pointing out that neither campaign is truly above working with and employing influence peddlers. It's very unfortunate. If you agree, you're showing it in an odd way.

Well, I guess your reaction does make sense. If you do not really about issue and are more interested in scoring political points on teh intarnets, then selectively quoting articles and harping on one campaign for similar sins does makes sense. But whatever.

[Edited on May 22, 2008 at 3:19 PM. Reason : ``]

5/22/2008 3:06:09 PM

It's plain to see that there is a fundamental difference in the way the Obama campaign and the McCain campaign deal with and rely on lobbyists. I am not advocating that either party refuse to engage with any person less than three degrees of separation from a lobbyist, and I realize that the Obama campaign is not free from lobbyists' influences. What I am saying, however, is that the McCain campaign has a huge amount of reliance on lobbyists, and that this, if nothing else, should be a warning flag to people who don't want more of the same.

5/22/2008 3:44:24 PM

so apparently mccain rejects that hagee guys endorsement now...pulling an obama...niceeeeeee

5/22/2008 4:04:47 PM

spooky,

Is there? We already know Obama is willing to bring lobbyists on as unpaid advicers. How many are doing so? What interests do they represent? We don't know. Obama refuses to provide full lists of whose advising him. That seems just a little fishy to me.

Then he also focuses on excluding current Washington lobbyists, but forgets to mention that he has no problem with active state and local lobbyists. That seems just a little odd too.

This wouldn't be the first time Obama parsed his words to make him look a bit more pure than he actually is. Remember his commercial about not taking any money from oil companys? The one where he apparently forgot to mention that it was infact illegal to take such money in the first place.

Parsing your words, misdirecting the electorate? All of this sounds exactly like the same old politics to me.

[Edited on May 22, 2008 at 4:21 PM. Reason : ``]

5/22/2008 4:18:32 PM

Quote :

"you've got to vote for who is better for america, not who is better for you. that's the whole point of this country, selfless devotion to the constitution. so all of you people listing issues and his stance vs obamas and blah blah blah,"

If the constitution is that important to you, why is Obama your number one choice? Oh wait, that would ruin the fun of riding the Obama bandwagon.

5/22/2008 4:22:58 PM

didnt know mccain smoked cigs until 1980

5/29/2008 8:07:10 PM

Quote :

"But I know why I supported it [the war] because I believed Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction as did every intelligence agency in the world and every assessment. "

lulz

5/31/2008 12:15:17 PM

Quote :

"you've got to vote for who is better for america, not who is better for you. that's the whole point of this country, selfless devotion to the constitution."

The president is suppose to be devoted to the constitution, but people are suppose to vote for their own interests. Its the entire reason congress exists, and its the entire reason we vote, period.

5/31/2008 11:41:25 PM

Wow. McCain's speech last night? WOW. Fucking pathetic.

6/4/2008 9:21:29 AM

^ Maybe you should send a letter to his campaign and see if he can shoot a few free throws? That should inspire some folk.

6/4/2008 9:23:12 AM

He can't raise his arms above his head how is he going to shoot free throws???

6/4/2008 9:51:26 AM

Grandpappy McCain's fireside chats are getting a little tiresome.

6/4/2008 9:56:04 AM

^cold hard facts that can get the country moving do get boring esp when you get into the math.


sorry he doesn't have trend-words or hot topics like obama does. aka CHANGE, HOPE, BLA BLA BLA, FREE EVERYTHING!

6/4/2008 9:57:27 AM

You mean trend words like "That's not change we can believe in! *pedo laugh*"

6/4/2008 10:04:55 AM

Quote :

"aka CHANGE"

actually mccain has been trying to co-opt that word for his own campaign for a while now. did you watch his speech last night?

6/4/2008 10:05:20 AM

Obama has been doing the same act for 6 months while the media has given laser-like focus to the Democratic primaries. And after 6 months of change, hope, and lay ups the mahority of polls STILL show Obama AT BEST tieing with John McCain in the general.

The real question is what Obama will do differently now that Hillary is down for the count. It's hard to run on just personality when you're facing someone with totally different policy proposals and core vision.

The general election starts today folks.

6/4/2008 10:13:02 AM

That laser-like focus on the Democratic primary is exactly what's keeping McCain in the race. When you get him and Obama on stage it will be Kennedy and Nixon up there, only moreso. With the media focusing on the general, McCain will hopefully start receiving some scrutiny in the press and that free ride he's been on for the past 6 months will come to an end.

6/4/2008 10:17:13 AM

John McCain's biggest problem can be described with one letter: W.

6/4/2008 10:18:41 AM