terpball, i just think sometimes you're so defensive about any criticism towards any black person, almost taking it personally even when it has nothing to do with you personally, that your rebuttals often come across as more racist than the original criticisms

maybe you just don't want your race painted in a negative light based on the actions of a few, and therefore you are passionate about it...well nobody wants their entire race painted in a negative light, but maybe sometimes while being passionate yourself, you unknowingly make comments about other races that people think are racist

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"If there were some virus that only attacked white people, i'd have absolutely no problem with the gov. enacting programs to help out these white people until they got better."

sickle cell anemia, right off hand, gets treatment and is predominantly, if not exclusively, something that affects blacks...but thats just one example



[Edited on April 28, 2008 at 4:46 PM. Reason : .]

4/28/2008 4:41:29 PM

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"Treetwista, the 2 posts above you don't deserve a response, I think those kids probably have steam coming out of their ears right now, if their heads haven't already exploded. "

you give yourself way too much credit. you never respond to anyone's posts. I didnt just get lucky today.

ps...dont forget to cup the balls.

4/28/2008 4:42:50 PM

^ i don't want to sound like i'm defending terp, because I hate the guy (and all black people)

but how can you say he doesn't respond to posts? there's 4 pages now of him responding to posts. IT's like people who say Obama only talks about change. Crazy.

4/28/2008 4:44:35 PM

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"For starters, we can stop trying to trash the black presidential candidate just because he went to a black church"

this is where you miss the point and is what I tried to say earlier. nobody cares that he went to black church. you cannot honestly believe that.

people care about who any presidential candidate associates himself with. THAT IS POINT. BO said in the NY Times that he understood why people could be offended. why cant you understand that?

----meant to say he doesnt respond to mine. he just calls me ignorant...go back and read them.

[Edited on April 28, 2008 at 4:45 PM. Reason : .]

[Edited on April 28, 2008 at 4:46 PM. Reason : ,,]

4/28/2008 4:44:56 PM

^^^^ examples? I mean, usually I'm to busy defending racist attacks to even think about getting a racist shot in myself.

^ you aren't worth responding to anymore. All you do now is talk about people sucking Obama's dick... and cupping his balls. Pretty gay.



[Edited on April 28, 2008 at 4:47 PM. Reason : ]

4/28/2008 4:45:09 PM

no, not people...just you.

4/28/2008 4:49:21 PM

well i'm paraphrasing here terp, but it goes something like this:

a: obama is such a joke, and his pastor is crazy
b: oh really? why?
a: well his pastor is a racist, and obama associates with him
b: maybe you'd be a racist too if you had to deal with a bunch of racist hicks all the time

i dunno, maybe that fake example wasnt too flattering for you, but its that type of thing...it starts off as innocent, but for one reason or another (sometimes your fault, sometimes others), maybe miscommunication and misunderstanding, things end up worse than before

4/28/2008 4:49:23 PM

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"people care about who any presidential candidate associates himself with. THAT IS POINT. BO said in the NY Times that he understood why people could be offended. why cant you understand that?"

This is bullshit. People DON'T care about who a candidate associates themselves with. At least not until Obama. Because Bush, Cheney, and McCain ALL associate with some shady people, the media just doesn't have any nice soundbites to smear them with.

And on top of that, Wright is not a bad guy, from what I see. He says some things that people will view as divisive when taken out of context, but that's what happens when you take things out of context. I can't see how you can see Wright's speech yesterday, and all his sermons on his church's youtube page, and stick to the idea he's some crazy racist. you can call him a crazy racist if you want, but do it AFTER you've seen more than the hacked up sound clips in the media. http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=TRINITYCHGO

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"----doesnt respond to mine. he just calls me ignorant...go back and read them. "

To be fair, you do come across as extremely ignorant. The only reason I bothered responding is because i'm in hard-core procrastination mode now for studying for an exam.

I can't imagine what i'd think of you if I were actually a blaxxorz.

[Edited on April 28, 2008 at 4:54 PM. Reason : ]

4/28/2008 4:50:11 PM

I'm saddened that y'all have gotten terp on the defensive.

Black guy: "Hey, y'all should stop being so racist."

White reactionaries: "What? We're not racist. You're the racist. Why do you hate white people?"

Black guy: "That's not true at all. Maybe it just seems that way online. I have plenty of white friends."

4/28/2008 4:51:33 PM

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"Bush, Cheney, and McCain ALL associate with some shady people, the media just doesn't have any nice soundbites to smear them with."

they still smear them...i just figured it was fair game in the modern political climate, as far as having internet sites, 24 hour news channels, etc...look back at TSB over the past however many years...you'll see plenty of times where bush (especially) or his cronies get shit over some association with someone...anybody can get smeared...barack happens to be running for the most important job in the world...isnt it only due diligence to over-investigate everything?

4/28/2008 4:52:01 PM

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"well i'm paraphrasing here terp, but it goes something like this: a: obama is such a joke, and his pastor is crazy b: oh really? why? a: well his pastor is a racist, and obama associates with him b: maybe you'd be a racist too if you had to deal with a bunch of racist hicks all the time "

I would never say something like that last line, that's just stupid. Either way, this thread isn't about me, so we can end this here right now.

4/28/2008 4:57:32 PM

By far the biggest smokescreen of the election so far.


There is no doubt in my mind that if Obama wins the dem nomination we will be hearing about this guy all the way up to the election. Thank you media and your complete disregard of the REAL ISSUES facing our country.

I think it was important to bring up that this guy was Obama's pastor, The media proceeds to find the most intolerant things the guy has ever said and made sure to play them over and over and over, Obama said he didnt agree with those things.

case closed.

If we really want to help black people we should be talking about education and the economy.

4/28/2008 4:57:36 PM

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"barack happens to be running for the most important job in the world...isnt it only due diligence to over-investigate everything"

On a personal level, yes.

My problem is that your investigation is not objective. Investigating Wright's past, it doesn't make sense to claim he's anti-white, and it makes even LESS sense to claim Obama's anti-white.

4/28/2008 4:58:38 PM

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"This is bullshit. People DON'T care about who a candidate associates themselves with. At least not until Obama. Because Bush, Cheney, and McCain ALL associate with some shady people, the media just doesn't have any nice soundbites to smear them with."

of course they do. no question about it. however, you severely underestimate the public's reaction if someone on par with Wright were discovered to be a close friend of McCain's. same thing would happen.

I am sure Wright has done thousands of great things for people...I am also sure that they far outweight the stupid shit he has said. problem is, the stupid shit gets airtime and his stupid shit was Salisburyboy stupid.

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"To be fair, you do come across as extremely ignorant."

ignorant? because I think black people (all people) are strong enough to overcome any adversity thrown at them if they really try. thats horseshit.



in reality, terpball is probably a good guy. we probably have many of the same friends and dont know it. message boards are a terrible place to try and convey sentiment within a debate.

[Edited on April 28, 2008 at 5:01 PM. Reason : .]

4/28/2008 4:59:45 PM

Unless you talk about something ridiculous like sucking a candidate's dick

I mean come on... talk about a last resport. That didn't help you at all.

[Edited on April 28, 2008 at 5:04 PM. Reason : ]

4/28/2008 5:04:09 PM

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"however, you severely underestimate the public's reaction if someone on par with Wright were discovered to be a close friend of McCain's. same thing would happen. "

The worst thing Wright said was the AIDS thing, and i personally would be relieved to here him explain his state of mind then. I know what he'd probably say, but i'd like to hear it from him. Nothing else that is attributed to him though means what people are saying it means. In reality though, I don't think Wright's views have any bearing on Obamas, so it doesn't really matter what he thinks. But it would at least help put the anti-Wright stuff to rest if he explained it.

So from that background, I don't think someone on McCain's side saying what Wright said would be that bad in reality, but politically, it would be as bad as its been for Obama. Secondly, there is absolutely no justification for white people to complain about oppression from blacks, because that's never actually happened. So I can't really even imagine what a white person saying the equivalent of what Wright said would even be.

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"I am sure Wright has done thousands of great things for people...I am also sure that they far outweight the stupid shit he has said. problem is, the stupid shit gets airtime and his stupid shit was Salisburyboy stupid. "

He's said one thing that's salisburyboy stupid, nothing else has been near that bad.

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"ignorant? because I think black people (all people) are strong enough to overcome any adversity thrown at them if they really try. thats horseshit. "

What's ignorant is to say that when talking about economic or social policy, it's meaningless to bring up racism.

4/28/2008 5:06:40 PM

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"He's said one thing that's salisburyboy stupid, nothing else has been near that bad."

maybe not to you, but i think you're again vastly underestimating the number of people who were offended, primarily, by the "GOD DAMN AMERICA" comment

i don't care what the context was...you have a lot of veterans, currently enlisted people, and patriots in general who dont take too kindly to those type of anti-american comments...i mean barack is running for president of the country that his pastor just god damned...besides, i'd be curious as to what better country reverend wright could come up with...where would he rather live than the USA...I'm guessing nowhere, since he's still here

4/28/2008 5:11:22 PM

Yeah, he served too - for at least 4 years. And the quote was taken out of context. Look at the context of McCain's "I hate the gooks" - it makes for one hell of a turnaround on how he really feels doesn't it?

[Edited on April 28, 2008 at 5:19 PM. Reason : Wright - Jim Crow ---------- McCain - POW]

4/28/2008 5:18:27 PM

yeah but the main difference is, McCain isn't running for President of Vietnam...he didn't say "I hate the Americans"

4/28/2008 5:23:43 PM

Jeremiah Wright isn't running for any office, but the office of Jesus!



[Edited on April 28, 2008 at 5:30 PM. Reason : ]

4/28/2008 5:26:55 PM

its a pretty significant difference when you're calling out a group of people from another country (even if he is ostracizing some asian-american voters), or when you're talking shit about the country in which you are running for president

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"Wright - Jim Crow ---------- McCain - POW"

was Wright a slave for 5 years? did he get beaten and tortured for 5 years? give me a break with that joke of a comparison

4/28/2008 5:36:45 PM

^ Don't trivialize America's racist history.

4/28/2008 5:40:22 PM

They aren't comparable situations, and I couldn't say which one is worse... it seems like a pretty complex issue. I couldn't say that growing up being taught you're inferior and dealing with gross racism, etc... would be worse than the 5 years of the more harsh physical and mental abuse McCain took (or the other way around).

I was merely saying there is not only verbal context, but also historical context to be taken into consideration here.

AND

Wright isn't running for president

[Edited on April 28, 2008 at 5:42 PM. Reason : ]

4/28/2008 5:41:55 PM

Also, Wright didn't say he hated white people and always would.

4/28/2008 5:44:06 PM

my main point is that plenty of americans were offended by the "god damn america" comment...plenty

just because you may or may not care about that statement, that statement hurt obama by association

so while some of you say "well ok the aids comment was bad but thats it", i'm informing you that plenty of people arent too fond of the "god damn america" comment

and i personally think that being locked up and tortured for 5 years straight is probably worse than a bunch of verbal abuse

4/28/2008 5:46:26 PM

What he said on the Bill Moyers show about Obama was such bullshit.


He's just trying to extend his 15 minutes.

4/28/2008 6:01:20 PM

terpball do you like alan keys? my bet is that you don't.

but if this campaign came down to obama vs keys who would you vote for

4/28/2008 6:20:58 PM

What kind of question is that?

4/28/2008 6:46:23 PM

haha yeah really...i had to reread it a few times

4/28/2008 7:11:09 PM

I like how Farrakans' body guards "protected" him today at the National Press Club. Black preachers are coming out in droves separating themselves from Wright, saying he doesn't speak for the black church, and that it's erroneous for him to say so like he did earlier today.

4/28/2008 7:14:27 PM

Farrakhan wants to separate himself from Wright? wow...when he wants to distance himself from you, you know you've said some shit

4/28/2008 7:15:31 PM

LOL no I meant that he and Farrakhan are embracing one another with their anti-American and anti-white rhetoric, while every other sane black pastor is running for the hills from this guy.

I was watching Hardball and did Wright really compare our Marine Corp troops to the Roman Legionaires who crucified Jesus? And say that basically the American flag and Al Qaeda flag are one in the same? Do you have to listen to an hour of hate to know that you're hearing hate? In what context can any of that be spinned as being "part of the black religious fabric" or as us whiteys just not getting the full meaning of what Wright is saying?

4/28/2008 7:18:47 PM

^i haven't read what you guys have said, so maybe you have addressed this...

but i would say that it's much more the racism of a past age that affects the plight of a black man than any sort of systematic racism that currently exists.

4/28/2008 7:36:59 PM

nvm

[Edited on April 28, 2008 at 8:04 PM. Reason : nvm]

4/28/2008 7:38:14 PM

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"maybe not to you, but i think you're again vastly underestimating the number of people who were offended, primarily, by the "GOD DAMN AMERICA" comment"

They weren't offended because the statement was offended, they were offended because the media told them to be offended. I understand people are going to be offended in that situation, but why blame Wright for this?

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"i don't care what the context was...you have a lot of veterans, currently enlisted people, and patriots in general who dont take too kindly to those type of anti-american comments..."

Yeah, but are these same people equally as offended when Robertson and Falwell say things on their nationally televised TV show on a monthly basis at least? I doubt it, I bet they are even in some of those regular viewers of the same preachers. In any case, without some hard numbers on the demographics, it's useless to speculate who was offended, and for why.

We're talking about Wright here, and it's clear, in context, the man who volunteered to serve in the military doesn't hate America.

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"i mean barack is running for president of the country that his pastor just god damned...besides, i'd be curious as to what better country reverend wright could come up with...where would he rather live than the USA...I'm guessing nowhere, since he's still here"

To be clear, Wright wasn't bashing the country there, i bet every single pastor in this nation has speculated what God would do to the US, and they usually are not positive about it (because if they were, their business would dry up).

4/28/2008 8:04:30 PM

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"its a pretty significant difference when you're calling out a group of people from another country (even if he is ostracizing some asian-american voters), or when you're talking shit about the country in which you are running for president "

The difference is that McCain talked shit about Asians, and Obama has never talked shit about America.

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"I was watching Hardball and did Wright really compare our Marine Corp troops to the Roman Legionaires who crucified Jesus? And say that basically the American flag and Al Qaeda flag are one in the same? Do you have to listen to an hour of hate to know that you're hearing hate? In what context can any of that be spinned as being "part of the black religious fabric" or as us whiteys just not getting the full meaning of what Wright is saying? "

I also saw on CNN where McCAin said he wanted to fight in Iraq for 100 more years too. And Jesse Helms is a pretty racist pig as well.

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"I'm a conservative progressive, and that means I think all men are equal, be they slants, beaners or niggers."

- Jesse Helms

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"When a caller to CNN's Larry King Live show praised guest Jesse Helms for "everything you've done to help keep down the niggers," Helms' response was to salute the camera and say, "Well, thank you, I think." (Wilmington Star-News, 9/16/95) "

If you really think Wright is racist, you should be able to see why people would support him, considering your biggest hero is more blatantly a racist.

[Edited on April 28, 2008 at 8:18 PM. Reason : ]

4/28/2008 8:06:38 PM

we all owe bill moyer a HUGE round of applause for playing the longest sound bites than any other news channel did early in the controversy

moyer proved once and for all that in fact NONE of those sound bites were even remotely taken out of context.


gg moyer!!!!

4/28/2008 8:20:19 PM

i made it really easy for everyone. watch the naacp speech and the msnbc/tucker carlson "summary". they take 5 seconds out of a speech of repeated thesis was one of acceptance and bettering of one's self to make it out to be a hate speech:

http://tinyurl.com/5qmjau

4/28/2008 9:26:39 PM

so he's a politician now huh? wow.

i honestly can't believe any obama supporter would want this guy going around pissing off 92% of america.

just don't make sense.

4/28/2008 10:00:43 PM

he's expressly not a politician. but i wouldn't expect you to know that he has said that repeatedly, because you obviously would rather take other people's word for what wright says.

and you would see too, that his message in that speech is very positive and unifying. it's the cable news that is parsing it to make it look like something that it is not. i have to give credit where credit is due though. i am impressed that foxnews showed the speech in its entirety.

[Edited on April 28, 2008 at 10:17 PM. Reason : .]

4/28/2008 10:16:24 PM

so where in that speech did he give a 'religious' sermon?

all i heard was politics followed by.. "oh btw we do this in da name of jesus and we are pastors.. etc..."

he's doing this for political reasons... and he is also hurting the campaign of obama.

sad but true for obama too.

4/28/2008 10:22:43 PM

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"and I couldn't say which one is worse... "

Wow. I think Tree has you pegged at the top of the page if you cant say which is worse. I think you KNOW which is worse but you WONT say it.

You know why mccain cant raise his arms? bc he was hung up by them for years, beaten, and starved. Which is worse? Get serious. Ill take the back of the bus and called names over that shit any day of the week, and if you were the least bit honest with yourself you would too.

4/28/2008 10:23:25 PM

^^he's not a politician because he's not running for anything. he speaks as a pastor, but he also speaks as a person. but mostly in that video he speaks as a scholar (mostly of theology, but also of african-american culture)

[Edited on April 28, 2008 at 10:36 PM. Reason : as]

4/28/2008 10:28:11 PM

moron you're a fucking liar. Helms never said the 1st quote and I watched the fucking interview on Larry King and he did not salute the screen so you need to find sources that are factually accurate.

And since I will guarantee that you've never even seen the fucking interview, Helms goes on to state that he never used the N-word and went on to explain in depth how he used it once as a child and his father beat him for it. As I said, find accurate fucking sources before you spew bullshit.

Considering that your own racism is blatant, you have little room to point at anyone. So maybe you should get back to the pig pin.

Explain to me please...apparently your racial stereotyping of white people is fine, and you attempt to defend Wright's racism when the only ones standing by him are known for their blatant racism, and yet you can't come up with one instance of Helms being racist but even if he was, somehow he's the only one in the wrong, not you, not Wright. Hmmmm, I guess if he painted his face black and burned whitey in effigy you'd be leading the chorus of We Shall Overcome...

[Edited on April 28, 2008 at 10:51 PM. Reason : ]

4/28/2008 10:39:55 PM

his whole "different but not deficient" argument sounds oddly familiar...


oh yeah, separate but equal. I knew it rang a bell.

4/28/2008 10:48:03 PM

congratulations for simplifying a 30 minute speech into a snarky comment. did you miss the whole message of the speech or are you being willfully ignorant?

4/28/2008 10:51:19 PM

^fuck off troll

4/28/2008 10:58:54 PM

is that supposed to be a joke?

4/28/2008 11:04:39 PM

no, the only thing that's funny is your anger.

why do i have to be ignorant...you are so blinded by your hate that you automatically thought that i didn't like the speech.


what's funnier than your anger is not noticing that someone is finally willing to admit that there just may be fundamental differences in people based upon their culture and race after having the exact opposite pounded into they psychie of the American public for the better part of a half century.

Wright may be onto a better way of dealing with race relations.

Keep hating though sarifoool



[Edited on April 28, 2008 at 11:22 PM. Reason : PS - the speech is much longer than 30 minutes]

4/28/2008 11:10:18 PM

the one i linked is 40 minutes with a good five or so minutes of introduction/thankyous.

and since when is ignorant a perjorative? i was saying that either you missed the point, or you didn't want to cede the point. i'm not angry at you. msnbc and tucker carlson sure. but i am not trying to troll anyone, nor have i displayed any hate on here.

4/28/2008 11:43:32 PM