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" Quote : "if i'm not mistaken it is farraday who doesn't recognize desmond, and desmond is trying to get farraday to do what it is that he needs to do." [insert new cloud pic here] "

clearly that was in reference to when they were at oxford, which is blatantly obvious given the quote that preceded my comment. its best if you read through things before commenting, otherwise you'll be left in a position where you have to do a cloud pic for yourself.

[Edited on January 23, 2009 at 11:36 AM. Reason : quoting it for page 5. ]

1/23/2009 11:36:03 AM

alright

has anyone got an ignore application for TWW yet?

dude

Desmond meets Farraday while he's in the Scottish Army

after the Scottish Army, Desmond trains for, and enters a world-wide race

while on said race, Desmond gets trapped pushing the button

Can we agree on this timeline?

So therefore, we have to agree that the Desmond pushing the button is a Desmond who has met Farraday UNLESS, AND PLEASE SEE MY POST - it is NOT the scot army consciousness that met him but was instead the stuck on island consciousness; hence my question

i'm pretty sure the word you missed in my point is "FROM"

go back to my post and look at where the word "FROM" appears

and then go get your fucking shine box

1/23/2009 11:41:41 AM

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"Remember when Faraday said they couldn't drill 1mm further? The map Faraday had showed the drill already but maybe it's existence on the map is only a cause of it being build previously by someone we already know or another "civilization" of time travelers, see statue. Is this tied into the story of Atlantis somehow? (crazy guess) so maybe Daniel is right, you can't change the past, but that doesn't mean you can't jump to an alternate dimension/timeline? Maybe Desmond has this ability and his will to be with Penny is so strong that no matter which alternate dimension he jumps too she is part of his story, his abilities are still confusing to me."

It wasn't Faraday, it was Candle/Haliwax/Wickman

Atlantis? Atlantis??

Faraday said there are no alternate timelines

Penny?

Jesus

1/23/2009 11:43:09 AM

dude make the fuckin' cloud

or can we get a

***Official*** Lost Season 5 Thread (SMART PEOPLE EDITION)

thread

1/23/2009 11:44:55 AM

Also Miles was totally the Asian baby at the beginning of the premier

And there were some interesting theories on lostpedia about the Army dudes

One thought that maybe the Brit was Widmore

Another said they were Rousseau's team

I like the the latter

1/23/2009 11:45:40 AM

i like the former lol

they looked like they were from a lot farther back than ~16 years

hence me thinking it could be C.S.'s grandfather rather than just her father

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"Also Miles was totally the Asian baby at the beginning of the premier"

can't get on board with this one, son

you walk this road alone

[Edited on January 23, 2009 at 12:10 PM. Reason : HERE I GO AGAIN ON MY OWN]

1/23/2009 12:08:58 PM

Woodfoot You are either blatantly ignoring the obvious as to not admit your error in reading comprehension or you are ignorant about that of which you speak. neither one is a good situation, so i'll allow you to choose for yourself to which one you plan on conceding.

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"Desmond meets Farraday while he's in the Scottish Army after the Scottish Army, Desmond trains for, and enters a world-wide race while on said race, Desmond gets trapped pushing the button Can we agree on this timeline?"

Yes we agree on that timeline and i've never once said anything suggesting those events never happened in that order. WHAT I DO DISAGREE WITH is what you're pedantic explanation of the events. While Desmond does meet Farraday while in the SA which was at the bequest of 2004ish Farraday. When Desmond goes to meet Farraday at Oxford late 90'sish Farraday does not know who he is. This is to what I was referring. Given the original quote to which i was responding said Oxford and I clarified this for you in my previous post I don't see how it could possible be more clear for you. admittedly i didn't knowledge the from but given that I was speaking about while Desmond was at Oxford that should have been an easy thing for you to pick up on, but it seems you found it more fruitful to become sardonic and further propagate confusion.

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" So therefore, we have to agree that the Desmond pushing the button is a Desmond who has met Farraday UNLESS, AND PLEASE SEE MY POST - it is NOT the scot army consciousness that met him but was instead the stuck on island consciousness; hence my question"

To get to the meat of your actual question. It is not the scot army consciousness that met Farraday. As you may recall Desmond was leaving consciousness and passing out during his travels- sort of like Billy Pilgrim- and this is to denote his displacement of consciousness from one period to another. This is further displayed with the rodent standing still and then moving again once traveling back to perceived present.

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""Also Miles was totally the Asian baby at the beginning of the premier""

what song was it that was playing and skipping. i don't think it was a miles davis song or anything, but if it was I could see that being a clue, perhaps. also since we know that daniel has been to the island before 2004 and presumably so has charlotte then maybe they all have, once again pointing to miles. I still need more evidence but i can't entirely discredit it, yet. Also, i wonder if miles can talk to the Adam and eve, since dead body's are his thing.

Someone asked above about what would happen to the people in the pit. I imagine that they're alive in the periods before they were killed, much like ethan, and are otherwise in that pit dead as can be past that point.

[Edited on January 23, 2009 at 12:21 PM. Reason : stuff]

1/23/2009 12:14:53 PM

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"You are either blatantly ignoring the obvious as to not admit your error in reading comprehension or you are ignorant about that of which you speak. neither one is a good situation"

dude

get over yourself

you're not going to win this one

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"When Desmond goes to meet Farraday at Oxford late 90'sish Farraday does not know who he is. This is to what I was referring. Given the original quote to which i was responding said Oxford and I clarified this for you in my previous post I don't see how it could possible be more clear for you."

my initial point was WHY DIDN'T DESMOND RECOGNIZE HIM FROM WHEN THEY MET @ OXFORD

not

WHY DIDN'T DESMOND RECOGNIZE HIM WHEN THEY MET @ OXFORD

everyone but you can see your mistake

and this is why you're under the as-yet-uncreated cloud

1/23/2009 12:18:30 PM

also, you cannot be 100% sure which consciousness was truly acting in control at any given moment in the desmond-timeshift episode

i interpret most scenes in the show as the Scot Army desmond controlling the two consciousness, which is why he doesn't know sayid in the "present" and doesn't know why he's on a boat/helicopter in the "past"

which is why i initially asked which consciousness met farraday

1/23/2009 12:25:11 PM

do you even read posts? this could be exactly what has transpired has taken place.

let me copy it for you again so you have a good opportunity to read it. you are not doing your comprehension skills any favors by further ignoring what has been put before you.

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" admittedly i didn't knowledge the from but given that I was speaking about while Desmond was at Oxford that should have been an easy thing for you to pick up on, but it seems you found it more fruitful to become sardonic and further propagate confusion."

Given what was stated above which was right beside what you quoted, and therefore were likely to have seen, I mention that its obvious that I didn't acknowledge the from. Following that I proceed to answer your actual question which only further acknowledges that I clearly understand your original question.

Its clear at this point you really only argue to argue rather than having a discussion reach a conclusion and that the only cloud that exists is the one surrounding your head formed by your own cognitive dissonance which allows you to continue arguments that have long been settled or should never have existed.

1/23/2009 12:26:29 PM

I FUCKING LOVE THIS THREAD

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1/23/2009 12:28:09 PM

anyone know where to find or download the 1 hour recap they showed before the first two episodes of S5?

1/23/2009 12:29:28 PM

lol you actually wanted me to respond to asinine statements like

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"also, the two of them very well could have met at the hatch the first time"

you're under the cloud

1/23/2009 12:30:59 PM

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"When Desmond goes to meet Farraday at Oxford late 90'sish Farraday does not know who he is. This is to what I was referring."

nobody was talking about why the two did not know each other in the 90s

you're under the coud and you're trying to throw rocks at people who understand the basic tenets of discussion

1/23/2009 12:33:17 PM

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"they looked like they were from a lot farther back than ~16 years"

Word, I guess that makes more sense. The Brit guy did call it "our island" which sounds a lot like Widmore. Does anyone remember when Rousseau's team actually got to the island, though? I know shit went awry 16 years ago, but I can't remember how long they had been there before that.

1/23/2009 12:34:08 PM

she landed a few days before alex was born

granted time moves differently on the island

1/23/2009 12:35:08 PM

So Desmond can transplant his consciousness through time but does not actually transplant his body. So there is an imprint of that jump on the unaware Desmond, hence the fortune telling. Jacob is someone who has figured out how to jump not only via consciousness through time but also without his body. So why does Desmond not recall more? I would have to think that Desmond dies at some point this season.

Okay it's making more sense now. Mr. Eko was exposed to the same event as Desmond and he had "vision" like moments.

Everyone else is just along for the ride through time, so a select few who were around long enough (Some of the Others, Hostiles, Dharma, Penny's dad) on the island remember Sawyer ect. but may not have the abilities to jump consciously through time so some will try to make changes react to these abnormalities but only contribute to what will happen and what already has come to pass.

[Edited on January 23, 2009 at 12:56 PM. Reason : i feel like the veil has been lifted]

1/23/2009 12:35:29 PM

am i under the cloud?

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1/23/2009 12:59:31 PM

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"Quote : "also, the two of them very well could have met at the hatch the first time""

There is nothing wrong with this statement. Yes Desmond went to go see Faraday in the late 90's, but given that was a moment experienced by Desmond's 2004 consciousness (which is how I have described to be my take) desmond from the consecutive timeline does not really 'meet' and have an interaction with faraday. so reasonably the first time that they are supposed to meet could be at he hatch when he knocks. sure faraday said "i hope this works" but that was immediately following his turning to a specific page in the book and reading it. I don't claim to know for sure what transpired there or what was written in the book but there is hardly anything wrong with that line of reasoning.

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"nobody was talking about why the two did not know each other in the 90s"

This is a further example of what I meant when i said you either ignore the obvious or have issues with reading comprehension as well as your desire to drag out an issue for the sake of argument rather than the sake of reaching consensus.

i have explained multiple times now that i did not see the from, which is evident, and then explained based on a lack of a from I read your statement to regard the meeting which took place at oxford in the 90's. all of which has been abundantly clear since my initial post and could have easily been resolved with a mere "i said from, you misunderstood" rather than sardonic behavior with the intent to foment.

1/23/2009 1:33:00 PM

I forget, after the hatch, does Desmond remember Faraday later on, in the past, before the island "moves"?

1/23/2009 2:03:30 PM

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"Is it a possibility that Ms. Hawking is Faraday's mother? He told Desmond to go to Oxford and find his mother, and she was doing some type of calculations in that church."

i thought this might be the case too, but then i remembered that ben was there, and ben has been in LA the whole time, and i dont think he had time to travel to england

1/23/2009 2:35:14 PM

he didn't have time to travel to England?
You mean..... a guy who has been shown to travel through time and throughout the world instantaneously cannot get to England in a timely manner?

1/23/2009 3:09:43 PM

unless hes got a cave with magic time shifting, teleportation wheel in LA, yes thats exactly what i mean

1/23/2009 3:11:13 PM

thats what has always bothered me about this show. Sure i can accept the fact that they can get off the island as they please, but it doesn't make sense that they can go back as they please. If widmore was trying so hard to get on the island why wouldn't he just get someone to follow ben in the US and figure out how he gets back with such ease.

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1/23/2009 3:49:34 PM

b/c even though he can get back with ease, that doesn't mean widmore would know how to GET there.... coming and going are different bearings, etc...

and i just had a revelation:

Alpert tells Locke the next time they meet, give him the compass.

Wasn't the compass one of the items he presented to Child Locke in the flashback? Locke chose the knife and Alpert was disappointed. Perhaps Locke goes back in the past and is presented with the same situation. He then gives Alpert the compass which leads to something.

1/23/2009 4:29:10 PM

he says "next time wee meet, i will not recognize you give me the compass blah blah blah"


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1/23/2009 4:35:35 PM

The important question is why the fuck was farraday in the orchid 20 years ago doing manual labor?
It doesn't seem like dharma was the kind of thing that anyone who happened to be interested in quantum physics could just walk up and get a job. I'd assume he started studying after the incident, which could mean that he caused it, which would explain why he was crying and mentally unstable when we first met him. Either way, why didn't he age?


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[Edited on January 23, 2009 at 5:16 PM. Reason : blarg]

1/23/2009 5:15:37 PM

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"The important question is why the fuck was farraday in the orchid 20 years ago doing manual labor? It doesn't seem like dharma was the kind of thing that anyone who happened to be interested in quantum physics could just walk up and get a job. I'd assume he started studying after the incident, which could mean that he caused it, which would explain why he was crying and mentally unstable when we first met him. Either way, why didn't he age?"

i assumed he was exploring the island during a timeshift we have not seen yet (i had read/watched enough spoilers to know they wouldnt be at the same time through the course of the episode)

but who knows

and IRseriousCat

all i ever want to do is be right

and i'm not going to let you spin your comments to now look like you were always right or something

you missed a four letter word and are now trying to make up for it by acting like you're a walking debate team or something

you're under the cloud

1/23/2009 5:30:11 PM

w/r/t Faraday

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"There are only two possibly explanations for this scene: 1. Faraday was originally a member of the Dharma Scientists. This would help explain how he knows so much about Dharma Initiative. It’s possible that Faraday could have been the first Dharma Scientist to test the FDW, which shot him forward into the future a few years (similar to what happened to Ben). From there, Faraday settled into a nice little job at Oxford University – secretly dabbling in how to manipulate space-time since he knows that it’s possible thanks to his experiences on the Island. 2. The Island will eventually “skip” back to 1980, and while in that time period Faraday sneaks into the Orchid facility in a Dharma disguise to try and stop the skipping / bring them back to the proper “present” timeline. When he does this, perhaps it transports him off the Island, into the future a few years (from 1980) – where he could again settle into a nice little job at Oxford University and continue his life. The cool thing about either theory is that they would indicate that Faraday had some prior knowledge of the Island and Dharma when we first saw the character introduced in the 2004 timeline last season – which could provide the explanation for why he was crying when he saw the footage of Oceanic 815 on the news. "

soldiers

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"Soldiers. So who are these mystery men who temporarily capture Juliet and Sawyer at the end of the episode? They’re wearing uniforms with names on them (Jones, Mattingly, and Cunningham), but have no Dharma logos on them. They have guns and talk with British accents. Their propensity to cutoff hands reminds me that Pierre Chang (who had two functioning hands when we saw him in this episode) did seem to have a prosthetic hand when we saw him in the Swan Hatch Orientation Video. So if they aren’t Dharma, and they aren’t Island Originals (since guns and nametags don’t seem like their style), who are they? I suppose anything is possible, but if I had it my way, they would be Widmore’s men – on their first attempt to takeover the Island from Hanso / Dharma back in the 1980s. Remember, Miles said that Widmore had spent “20 years looking for the Island”, which would be around 1984. Since he told Ben that he stole “his Island”, it makes me think that either he has been there before, or he has sent his mercenaries there before. It would also help explain how he knew so much about the Island (giving Keamy the “Secondary Protocol”). Maybe back during the Dharma days, they were not only under attack from the Island Originals, but also from Widmore’s men trying to claim the Island for themselves. Remember, Chang was very generic during the Arrow Station Orientation Video when he said “the purpose of this station is to gather intelligence and devise defensive strategies against the Island's hostiles.” It’s a fun thought – and one we hopefully should be able to confirm or deny with next week’s episode. As for Widmore, it seems as though he has recruited Sun to his side in his quest to takeover the Island. Their meeting in the airport showed that they shared a common interest – killing Benjamin Linus – but Sun’s later meeting with Kate showed just how far she had gone. Remember the Sun we met in Season One? The meek girl who would do whatever her husband said? Suddenly, she’s manipulating her former friends (the meeting with Kate – probably about 75% lies) in an attempt to exact revenge upon the man she holds responsible for her husband’s death… and has pretty much become a cold hard bitch. It could be that Widmore’s first two attempts to claim the Island failed (in the 1980s and 2004), but now that he has a partner in Sun, his odds just got a lot better. "

http://lost-and-gone-forever.blogspot.com/2009/01/because-you-left-and-lie-two-for-one.html

1/25/2009 5:49:40 PM

judging by their shirts/guns, i'd say it was more like the 40's

1/25/2009 6:32:01 PM

dude had an M1 Garand. did they use those in korea after WW2?

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1/25/2009 6:35:59 PM

^They used them more in WWII I think.

Hurley's friend from the mental hospital (can't remember his name... the guy he went to Australia to see) was posted at a listening post in the Pacific during WWII and that's where he heard the numbers from. Don't know if it's related.

1/25/2009 8:05:56 PM

when Mrs Hawking located the island wasn't it in the pacific?

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1/25/2009 8:07:03 PM

yes, it was in the Pacific

Also, regarding Mrs. Hawkings - it seems like people here think she is in England, maybe Oxford. Was there any real indication that she is really in England? Besides the European-style church she was in?

1/25/2009 8:18:38 PM

Well she met with Ben in the church and Ben is obviously in America, so unless he has a way of teleporting (which wouldn't be out of the ordinary for this show) I don't know how they would be in Oxford.

1/25/2009 8:24:27 PM

you know, i almost forgot about the numbers...

wonder when we will figure out exactly what they mean and their significance to the island...

1/25/2009 8:27:30 PM

ok...other things that have been long forgotten...

what happened to the kids from the plane?

what ever happened to that girl that disappeared in the woods while ana lucia was hiking from her camp to jack's camp?

1/25/2009 8:46:25 PM

the kids are at the temple with all the other 'good' people

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1/25/2009 8:52:45 PM

ok so that hasn't been resolved yet either...

and Cindy was the one who disappeared

1/25/2009 8:56:24 PM

For a guy who's such an arrogant ass about this show, you don't seem to know much, Charlie

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Cindy_Chandler

1/25/2009 9:00:04 PM

hey now...

I've lightened up with this thread/season so far...decided not to make a big deal about most of the stuff that's made its way through 5 pages so far

and I was just at that link...figured i'd ask here first for some stupid reason thinking someone might remember what i was talking about without throwing a link they looked up claiming they knew the answer (plus, it took me a while to remember the girls name and thus couldn't really look it up...)

plus, there's like 4 seasons of filler crap to dig through to remember what questions and scenes used to actually be important and of interest...

and now with the time jumping...everything's all fucked and may not be exactly how we remembered it...or at least seen differently now

and just when we thought this show couldn't become a bigger clusterfuck than it was before...

[Edited on January 25, 2009 at 9:14 PM. Reason : and don't make dig out the Cloud pic...]

1/25/2009 9:10:42 PM

instead of answering questions they should just keep making it more and more confusing/obscure until no one knows what they're talking about anymore

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1/25/2009 9:12:53 PM

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"I'm sitting out of this thread this season more fun to watch what happens then figure it out and tell you guys that you're wrong huge waste of time and its going to get even worse"

I thought you were done with us retards?

Why don't you just make your own thread where you can bitch about a show that you continue to watch despite all its obvious shortcomings?

1/25/2009 9:18:51 PM

yeah...

i don't see what you're trying to do there...

1/25/2009 9:30:12 PM

This is the fifth Lost thread

Every season you just bitch about how terrible the show is, how you want answers NOW NOW NOW, how enlightened you are (when obviously you're just as clueless as the folks you're putting down)

It's just lame, that's all

1/25/2009 9:34:16 PM

still not seeing me doing any of that in this here thread...

am enjoying the attempted trolling going on here though

1/25/2009 10:04:32 PM

I'm not trolling

Did you not see the quote I posted above?

1/25/2009 10:06:07 PM

yeah

I wrote it

basically saying I'm not going to make a big deal and berate people about their wild ideas that don't make much sense

so far I think I've held up my end

so...still trying to figure out what your problem is...

1/25/2009 10:15:52 PM

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"wonder when we will figure out exactly what they mean"

the numbers were given a general definition between season 3 and season 4

if you go with the ARG stuff as canon

i no longer know exactly what is and isn't canonical

1/25/2009 11:22:29 PM

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"Damon Lindelof There are some questions that are very engaging and interesting, and then there are other questions that we have no interest whatsoever in answering. We call it the midi-chlorian debate, because at a certain point, explaining something mystical demystifies it. To try and have a character come and say, "Here is what the numbers mean," actually makes every usage of the numbers up to that point less interesting. You can actually watch Star Wars now, and when Obi-Wan talks about the Force to Luke for the first time, it loses its luster because the Force has been explained as, sort of, little biological agents that are in your blood stream. So you go, "Oh, I liked Obi-Wan's version a lot better." Which in the case of our show is, "The numbers are bad luck, they keep popping up in Hurley's life, they appear on the island." ... But if you're watching the show for a detailed explanation of what the numbers mean—and I'm not saying you won't see more of them—then you will be disappointed by the end of season six. "

1/25/2009 11:48:48 PM