I think Kobe, Lebron, and Paul are the only 3 players I'd pay full price admission to go see right now

Wade and Howard are a notch below

Everyone else, I'd scalp

2/2/2009 11:20:13 PM

scalp, as in purchase tickets from someone else.... or scalp as in remove the top of their head?

2/2/2009 11:21:52 PM

BUCKETS!!

61 in MSG!

2/3/2009 9:46:51 AM

funny how you dont hear anything out of vonjordan3 when kobe breaks mjs records.

2/3/2009 11:23:53 AM

I've been holding off on saying this for a while...

But I think when Kobe retires and they put together one of those videos of all his highlights (like the amazing one Jordan has), it's going to be just as good as MJs. I'm trying to figure out exactly what MJ has/had that Kobe doesn't. The killer instinct? Kobe's got it. He takes it to the rim and finishes just as good as Jordan...has developed the mid-range game later in his career...is a better long range shooter...is learning to make his teammates better...plays lock-down defense.

MJ has more rings...bu that's about it. They both suck pretty bad morally. Both are cheaters. MJ's a gambler, Kobe's a prick (heard MJ's a big ass hole in person too).

If he's not MJ's equal or better...Kobe is probably the closest thing we're ever going to get to Jordan.

2/3/2009 11:39:57 AM

I'm not gonna argue with you thus far

but Kobe just turned 30, and you start to lose a bit of your athleticism and hops going forward

Jordan turned into the best back to the basket player in the league in the latter stages of his career

If Kobe's 30's are similar (and he has all the tools to make that happen), then yeah, they will be on the same level

but we're 5-6 years away from knowing definitively

2/3/2009 11:48:21 AM

I'll agree with that.

If Kobe doesn't fall-off...then I think he's there. He's already got the shot...just has to hone those back-to-the-basket skills a little more (which they're already damn good...just not Jordan level yet).

2/3/2009 11:53:01 AM

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"funny how you dont hear anything out of vonjordan3 when kobe breaks mjs records."

Hey Im here,I was gone this whole weekend! lol

Unlike what you think, I do not sit around talking about MJ all the time, everyone else brings it up. kobe still has a while to go before you can compare.

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"I'm trying to figure out exactly what MJ has/had that Kobe doesn't. "

i would say better defense and his shit looked better. More rings, and changed his style of play as he got older ( which we will have to see if kobe does)

[Edited on February 3, 2009 at 12:36 PM. Reason : .]

2/3/2009 12:33:08 PM

^Why can't we compare him now?? If you compare him at this point in his career to where MJ was at that point in his career, then they are pretty equal.

2/3/2009 12:35:21 PM

im addressing the people who say kobe is already better alltime. If you compare at the same points in their career, id say MJ was better at defense. Thats all, I agree with everything else

[Edited on February 3, 2009 at 1:00 PM. Reason : .]

2/3/2009 12:38:29 PM

nobody is saying kobe is the best all time

They are so similar in everything. I would even say that when it comes down to it, kobe's defense can be just as good as jordans.

The biggest difference in the two, as phil jackson said is that MJ had some huge hands.

I think Kobe still has to win 2-3 more titles to get to MJs level.

2/3/2009 1:05:47 PM

more winning shots at the same time in their careers, better defense, and dunks looked better

2/3/2009 1:15:49 PM

I Dont think so

From what I have found, Kobe already has made more game winning shots than Jordan did in his entire career.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=116032


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=86278

and "dunks looked better" ????? Kobe has had some nasty ones

2/3/2009 2:02:20 PM

Sucks for the Magic, Jameer Nelson was having a great season for them.

2/3/2009 2:27:11 PM

let me quote the very next post on the message board you go that from

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"How many of those are in the NBA Finals?"

Because Kobes list count everything in the last minute while MJs list doesnt count anything above 24 seconds. I doubt that Mj didnt hit any "game winners" from a minute to 24 sec.

ALso missed two more in a Wizards uniform



[Edited on February 3, 2009 at 2:44 PM. Reason : .]

2/3/2009 2:40:04 PM

I think even Michael would like most people to forget his time as a Wizard.

2/3/2009 3:22:34 PM

He did have a helluva block on ron mercer

2/3/2009 3:38:27 PM

I don't think anything against Ron Mercer is REALLY worth talking about.

2/3/2009 3:59:50 PM

haha i wish i was smoking right now

2/3/2009 4:09:49 PM

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"I think even Michael would like most people to forget his time as a Wizard."

i think he did ok for a 40 year old. the press gave him hell because he wasnt the best in the league anymore, but shit he was still top 15, and that is good for a 40 year old..


Here is a good nonjordan, kobe story:

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"Kobe Bryant knows the one opponent he can't conquer is time. His 61-point outburst Monday night at Madison Square Garden was as much about maintaining a grasp on the present and fighting off a suddenly cloudy future as it was about recording his name in the arena's history books for posterity. One second can change a season. One season can alter a career. You could see that recognition on Bryant's face Saturday night in Memphis, an expression of disgust that by falling into Andrew Bynum's knee, he had done significant damage to his center and torpedoed the Lakers' chances of winning a championship this season. Bryant needs another championship to eradicate the last remaining question in his career -- whether he can lead a team to a title as the primary player. If this season passes without a Lakers victory in the Finals, it will have been seven years since Bryant rolled down Figueroa Street in a championship parade. And Bryant will be 31 by the time next season starts. He'll be young enough to maintain his high level of play, a standard most can't even approach. But this season might be as good as it gets for Kobe's title hopes -- there's no guarantee the Lakers' situation will improve in future seasons. Adding Bynum to the team that came within two games of winning the championship last season might have been enough to bridge the gap. It sure appeared that way Christmas Day, when the Lakers beat the Celtics in their first crack at them with both Bynum and Pau Gasol. Last month, the Lakers dominated the Cavaliers inside, albeit with the Cavs missing Zydrunas Ilgauskas. Orlando is the one Eastern Conference contender the Lakers haven't been able to solve, although with the way Bynum had been playing recently, it's hard to imagine Dwight Howard would outrebound him 20-3 again, as he did when the Lakers last played the Magic on Jan. 16. The Western Conference doesn't appear to be as formidable as it was last season. The Spurs are around, as always, but the Lakers have beaten them five out of seven times (four of the victories without Bynum) going back to last season's Western Conference finals. The Jazz, the Lakers' opponents in the 2008 conference semifinals, have been injury-plagued throughout the season and might miss the playoffs. New Orleans hasn't recaptured the magic from last season. Who knows where Houston and Tracy McGrady will be come playoff time? Most of the Trail Blazers will be making their maiden voyages to the playoffs. It's easy to envision the Lakers returning to the NBA Finals without Bynum if they have to. From there, it's hard to imagine them hoisting the Larry O'Brien trophy without their toughest interior defender. The Lakers are placing an estimate of eight to 12 weeks on Bynum's return. Of course, that's what they said last season when Bynum dislocated his left kneecap, and he never returned to the lineup. It became a touchy subject, as the Lakers' desires clashed with Bynum's persistent pain and his doctor's recommendations. His return was delayed and delayed until he finally had surgery in the middle of the playoffs and ended the speculation entirely. This is a different knee, and an MCL tear is a more conventional injury. The Lakers don't believe he will need surgery. They think he can be back in time to help the team. At the moment, there are no trade plans in the works. If anything, they now are less likely to move Lamar Odom. If this is how the Lakers are going to roll, Bryant seemed to suggest Monday night that it's enough. They still start with the best player in the sport. For one night in New York, he did all he could to keep the season from slipping away, scoring almost half his team's points during his 36-plus minutes on the court. It was reminiscent of the game after Bynum went down last season. Bryant scored 48 points in overtime in Seattle the next night, including the final six points of the game. It was a significant moment for the franchise. Remember, this was coming off his summer of discontent, and for most of the first half of the season, Bryant had seemed coldly indifferent to the Lakers' surprisingly strong start and Bynum's noticeable improvement, as if each victory and each basket Bynum scored made it harder for Bryant to justify a trade. By taking over the game, which easily could have gone down as a throwaway loss on the second side of a back-to-back in the middle of the season, Bryant announced he had a vested interest in the team's fate. In a television interview afterward, Bryant proclaimed the Lakers were a championship-caliber team with Bynum in the lineup. In some ways, Monday night wasn't quite as dramatic. This season, it's not about whether Bryant will be a Laker at the end of the season. It's about where the Lakers will be at the end of the season, in a champagne-soaked locker room or on a quiet jet heading home in defeat once again. It's about where Bryant will be at the end of his career, with a ring collection equal to or better than that of Shaq (four), Magic (five) or Michael (six), or never able to get past three. We've seen Bryant score more points in a game and go on sustained scoring binges. In the end, those were simply adornments to his career. They didn't add substance. They came in championship-less seasons, so ultimately they were parts of wasted seasons. That's why this game felt a little different. It wasn't one for the ages as much as one before age takes over. "

2/4/2009 8:17:38 AM

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"but shit he was still top 15"

I'm gonna have to disagree with that.

2/4/2009 11:26:19 AM

me too

top 30...maybe

How many does Lebron drop at MSG tonight ?

He's said he's not gonna try to out do Kobe, but I think he'll drop 35-45

2/4/2009 11:27:59 AM

even with that, he was in his 40s, no 40 year old could say that

2/4/2009 11:44:33 AM

I say Lebron has a triple double tonight.

Man what a week for MSG - kobe then Lebron then the Celtics

2/4/2009 1:51:47 PM

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"even with that, he was in his 40s, no 40 year old could say that"

Most 40 year olds call it quits before 40...as Jordan should have done.


BTW...Lebron quickest to 12,000 points by over a year (Kobe was second).

And not only does Nelson getting hurt mess up Orlando's chances...it hurts my Fantasy NBA chances...right after I had reclaimed first place.

2/4/2009 2:19:31 PM

Nelson is a huge loss for the Magic. They will definitely go after a pg aggressively maybe even felton.

Pretty much comes down to Celtics/Cavs in the East now.

Lakers vs Celtics tomorrow night @8 on TNT

2/4/2009 2:29:30 PM

I think it is funny, You’d admit that MJ was in the top 30 in the league in his 40’s but other players, which could not even get close to saying that had the smarts to exit the league. He was still one of the better players in the league and contributed to a shitty team. I’d say that considering the age it was pretty impressive.

Honestly, it doesn’t matter what is said, you will always come up with BS, and devalue MJ.

You also need to restate your quickest to 12,000 to “youngest” to score 12,000. MJ did it in fewer games than Lebron or Kobe, no comparison. And I’m pretty sure Wilt was even faster. I love how the press modifies reality to favor the players of today. Neither of them played college basketball is this a fucking surprise?

2/4/2009 3:10:08 PM

Jameeracle on Ice

He'll be luck to be back by April, if he comes back at all

2/4/2009 3:24:28 PM

I'm just saying he should have gone out on top...playing with Washington probably didn't help his "body of work" that much, if at all.

He averaged about 10points a game less than his career average. And he didn't really help a shitty team that much. His shooting percentage was pretty low (at least compared to his career percentages) and his defense was in a pretty sharp decline. He couldn't go head-to-head with the games elite at the time, yet he still remained the focal point of his team. He should have stepped aside and let the team grow without him. Instead he stayed and tried for one last hurrah and fucked that franchise up (mostly because of his horrible executive decisions).

2/4/2009 3:27:03 PM

not to mention Kobe put 53 on his ass while he was a wizard

2/4/2009 3:47:48 PM

Sorry I meant 55 on his ass with 42 of them coming in the 1st half

2/4/2009 3:51:15 PM

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"(mostly because of his horrible executive decisions)."

Dude i was pissed when they got rid of rip hamilton for Stackhouse, that was really stupid. then what happened the very next season to detriot? Hmmmmm

And he took a shitty team and almost made the playoffs


We will see how good Kobe is when he is 40 ^
i am sure he will score 55 against the elite player of the era because he is the man

[Edited on February 4, 2009 at 4:34 PM. Reason : .]

2/4/2009 4:33:23 PM

Kobe wont make the stupid decision to play when he is 40

2/4/2009 4:36:02 PM

kobe will not have the skill to be in the top 30 when he is that age

2/4/2009 4:37:34 PM

To me Jordan made 2 stupid decisions in his career.

1) leaving for that year and a half (what might have been??? 8?? could they have beaten the rockets??)

2) Coming back as a wizard (kinda like Ewing coming back as a sonic)

2/4/2009 4:44:42 PM

he should have just played the whole time I agree

that record would have been crazy

2/4/2009 6:07:44 PM

he didn't just leave

it was a secret suspension for gambling

2/4/2009 6:08:41 PM

ya both times lol

2/4/2009 6:11:00 PM

just the first time

the second time he was 38

2/4/2009 6:14:58 PM

3) drafting Kwame Brown

4) drafting Adam Morrison

5) hiring Sam Vincent

6) trading for Jeff McInnis

7) starting Jeff McInnis

8) playing Jeff McInnis 30 mpg

etc

2/4/2009 6:19:19 PM

I was joking about the rumored gambling thing


I do agree 100% with his trades and shit, he pissed me off with that.

2/4/2009 6:35:42 PM

BronBron's got 39, 8, and 9 at the start of the 4th.

Fucking sick.

2/4/2009 9:25:38 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yr_NjRKhIro&feature=related

And I meant to post this earlier today. Fucking sick. T-mac...kind of wasted talent.

2/4/2009 9:47:28 PM

52, 10, and 11.

Lebron has better game. This guy is amazing.

[Edited on February 4, 2009 at 10:07 PM. Reason : .]

2/4/2009 10:04:45 PM

^that is fucking ridiculous! I wonder how many players have had a triple double with at least 50 pts. I'm guessing Wilt had a few

2/4/2009 10:05:45 PM

^i think they said kareem was the last person to do it

or maybe it was wilt

at any rate

2/4/2009 10:22:29 PM

jesus christ

2/5/2009 12:19:48 AM

The knicks have given up 113 points in their last 2 games to 2 people!

2/5/2009 12:20:23 AM

Sportscenter this evening, talking about the Mavericks game

"...and Kidd dishes it to Josh Howard, who hits a baby j."

2/5/2009 1:32:12 AM

ya, really hard to score 50+ on the knicks, 2 people in a row.

2/5/2009 7:55:02 AM