IT HAS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH IT SON. READ THAT INBOX A FEW MORE TIMES AND YOU'LL SEE. I KNOW YOUR READING COMPREHENSION IS LOW, SO I'LL UNDERSTAND IF IT TAKES A WHILE.

^ NON-PEACE IN, RETARD.

[Edited on September 24, 2008 at 2:30 PM. Reason : ]

9/24/2008 2:29:29 PM

Quote :

"Also note that I NEVER mentioned the food chain, cockbag. I simply said we're animals. This whole other thing is just your little way of making yourself feel invincible and above everything else. There's plenty of shit that can kill you. Your intelligence may be high, but that doesn't make you above everything else, nor does it make you anything other than just another animal."

I mentioned the food chain.

You said we aren't above the other animals, and I say we are.

9/24/2008 2:40:30 PM

WELCOME TO 1ST GRADE.

9/24/2008 2:41:00 PM

yeh, I'd say that's exactly where you belong

9/24/2008 2:42:25 PM

I AGREE, YOU AND ANDYMAC DO BELONG IN THE FIRST GRADE.

9/24/2008 2:44:08 PM

This thread went from "lulz it's peta" to "EPIC FLAMEWAR" in 3.5 pages.

9/24/2008 3:12:53 PM

SaabTurbo: if all the farms were like the "good ones" then the animal rights people probably wouldn't be quite so up in arms.

here in quebec there are much stricter laws governing dairy farms and there are government quotas that farms have to bid on as well as a price floor. this keeps the farms pretty small, so emphasis IS on making the individual cow produce as much milk as possible rather than using huge numbers of cattle like many HUGE dairy farms in the US, son.


btw, I am not a son.

9/24/2008 3:22:43 PM

i think that, in the interest of reconciliation, more PETA ads featuring attractive half-naked women should be displayed:

9/24/2008 3:23:17 PM

Quote :

"your body did not develop to be a strict vegan/vegetarian, and so the only possible reason i can think of is that you empathize with cute fuzzies about their lot in life"

That and/or environmental reasons. If you want to fight climate change, reduce your meat consumption.

9/24/2008 3:39:06 PM

Climate Change

9/24/2008 3:46:12 PM

oh for the love of god.....

9/24/2008 3:46:42 PM

good point...though i'm curious as to how much extra waste a vegan/vegetarian produces compared to an omnivore, since most of what they eat is cellulose, which they can't digest, anyway

and i'm betting they produce more greenhouse gases



[Edited on September 24, 2008 at 3:47 PM. Reason : hah]

9/24/2008 3:47:46 PM

OMG. CLIMATE CHANGE? CLIMATE CHANGE?

I'LL SHOW YOU CLIMATE CHANGE

9/24/2008 3:48:44 PM

<3 me some fiber!

9/24/2008 3:55:32 PM

http://environment.newscientist.com/article/dn13741-food-miles-dont-feed-climate-change--meat-does.html

9/24/2008 4:03:19 PM

ahahaha what the fuck happened to this thread after I went to bed

Quote :

"When I start dating a girl I make sure they're not a vegetarian. I find it pretty annoying and a sign of high maintenance."

Sadly this seems to be true a lot of the time. The program I work for, a lot of the people we get tend to be vegetarian. And they tend to be the whiniest motherfuckers about things in general. Not all of them, obviously, but a ridiculous amount of them are.

9/24/2008 7:57:36 PM

and meat eaters aren't high maintenance or whiny as well. I'm fairly certain being a vegetarian/vegan isn't what makes them that obnoxious...

9/25/2008 7:50:04 AM

let's be real here.

vegans are fucking weird, annoying, and generally unlikeable.

all other arguments aside, this is the real reason that we don't like you.

9/25/2008 8:01:02 AM

being a vegan doesn't make me unlikable. being a pain the ass makes me unlikable.

duh

9/25/2008 8:35:49 AM

I'd like to give those girls my meat.

9/25/2008 8:54:05 AM

Breast milk is good. But I sure as shit ain't drinking it from some stranger. Thats disgusting.

9/25/2008 9:00:58 AM

i find the idea of a massive breast milk operation rather entertaining though

9/25/2008 11:05:39 AM

Quote :

"vegans are fucking weird, annoying, and generally unlikeable. "

i was vegan for a while

9/25/2008 11:08:19 AM

"now, take Sally here for example. we got 3 gallons from her last week, her teats are a textbook example.

on down the line - and please, do not harass the cows ladies while they're milking"

9/25/2008 11:10:36 AM

^hahahahahahhaha

9/25/2008 11:12:09 AM

If I ever have a kid and they become a vegetarian or vegan, I'd beat the shit out of him. They can do what ever they want with their lives, but I draw the line at vegetarian/veganism.

9/25/2008 11:16:12 AM

^that, and being gay, getting someone/getting pregnant, trying to get married too soon, drugs, in trouble with the law, and the list continues

9/25/2008 11:19:28 AM

^NO, I got no problem with them being gay or having some off the wall religion.

[Edited on September 25, 2008 at 11:21 AM. Reason : though I do have a problem with 'trouble with the law' and 'knocking up a girl']

9/25/2008 11:20:32 AM

Quote :

"that, and being gay"

you're really on an anti-gay roll today.

9/25/2008 11:20:51 AM

no use arguing.
people are stubborn (including me)

rarely do people change their mind about things until they see it firsthand.

9/25/2008 11:21:03 AM

^^I just think it's a stupid life choice

9/25/2008 11:23:06 AM

all my vegan friends get sick all the time.. and claim red meat is unhealthy....


one actually said "i bet you have about 4 lbs of red meat residue in your body right now"

to which i replied... uumm i'd say about 194lbs of it... its my primary source of protein

[Edited on September 25, 2008 at 11:27 AM. Reason : p.s. go see a cow that hasn't been milked in a while and see how comfy and peaceful she looks...]

9/25/2008 11:25:15 AM

actually i had a horrrible immune system before i made the change.
i honestly dont think i got sick once during my stint.
this year though ive had a couple of nasty spells.
i wanna go back.
i felt better.
i had soooo much energy.
i loved it.
looovvvved it.




right now is not the time though

got too much going on and....
too lazy







[Edited on September 25, 2008 at 11:30 AM. Reason : just saying....dont knock til you try it....]

9/25/2008 11:27:15 AM

Quote :

"If I ever have a kid and they become a vegetarian or vegan, I'd beat the shit out of him. They can do what ever they want with their lives, but I draw the line at vegetarian/veganism. "

9/25/2008 11:27:26 AM

joice... you may have just been eating better too..

i've cut back my junk food and some of my meat intake (6-8 oz/ meal rather than 12-16)
and i'm hyper all the friggin time

9/25/2008 11:29:42 AM

^perhaps so


and for the record i was a "nice vegan"
i didnt care if anyone else was or not, nor did i ever try to convert anyone. but ill be damned if i didnt get some really rude remarks.
some people are mean
and for no good reason.

^imma see you this weekend???

[Edited on September 25, 2008 at 11:31 AM. Reason : fdd]

9/25/2008 11:31:18 AM

u bettteerrrr....

this time i'll have my dueling flash drives of music ready.... hahaha


(if i can find gas to make it... )


[Edited on September 25, 2008 at 11:33 AM. Reason : .]

9/25/2008 11:32:59 AM

Quote :

"p.s. go see a cow that hasn't been milked in a while and see how comfy and peaceful she looks..."

you're trying to say that milking isn't cruel because the cows are uncomfortable if they aren't milked? that's not a good argument. cows produce milk because they recently gave birth and had the calf taken and put on soy based formula. the cow is only 'in need of being milked' because of human intervention.


To make ethical sense out of milking cattle, you have to assert that human benefit is more important that cow discomfort. Any arguments that claim that the animals benefit from the relationship are wasted because they would infinitely benefit more from life without human intervention or by not existing at all. "all life is precious" doesn't work when you are talking about living food factories. All those who say so had better be against abortion and capital punishment too.




I eat cheese, kill babies and let murderers get shanked by their own kind. The happiness of the living people is what has the most daily effect on me.

9/25/2008 12:03:28 PM

Quote :

"If I ever have a kid and they become a vegetarian or vegan, I'd beat the shit out of him. They can do what ever they want with their lives, but I draw the line at vegetarian/veganism."

That's one of the best reasons to become vegan I've ever heard. Anything nonviolent that inexplicably prompts folks to violence probably should be done.

9/25/2008 12:36:19 PM

lol, that's one of the worst reason's yet. Forget about the cute fluffy animals, forget about trying to better one's self with veggies, etc. Going veg because of fear of violence only reenforces that vegans are hippies.


Just WOW.

9/25/2008 1:31:45 PM

you are not familiar with goldenviper.

he is certifiably insane.

9/25/2008 1:44:36 PM

Quote :

"When I start dating a girl I make sure they're not a vegetarian. I find it pretty annoying and a sign of high maintenance"

Yep.

Are there really that many male vegetarians?

9/25/2008 2:25:02 PM

wow
there are a lot of judgemental people out there

9/25/2008 2:37:35 PM

^yeah, there are.
Seems like most people don't like anybody who does not do exactly as they do. Some vegans are very guilty of this, as well as omnivorous eaters (as shown by this thread).

Quote :

"lol, that's one of the worst reason's yet. Forget about the cute fluffy animals, forget about trying to better one's self with veggies, etc. Going veg because of fear of violence only reenforces that vegans are hippies. "

that's not fear of violence, that sounds to me like they want violence towards them.

9/25/2008 3:08:49 PM

I don't hate on people for not being the same as me. I hate on people who make stupid choices

9/25/2008 3:10:24 PM

what if for them its not a stupid choice? Just because you think its stupid doesn't mean it is. What if they think eating meat is "stupid"?

(I'm not defending veganism, in any way)

9/25/2008 3:27:50 PM

then they're just stupid. And I'm talking about the ones who think it's healthier or better, have a holier than thou attitude, who try to shut down farms, who say eating animals is wrong, etc.

9/25/2008 3:29:20 PM

Quote :

"he is certifiably insane."

So why I am still roaming the streets? Explain that one.

Quote :

"Are there really that many male vegetarians?"

A fair number, yes.

Quote :

"that's not fear of violence, that sounds to me like they want violence towards them."

I guess I didn't express myself well. That folks want to hurt their kids for a dietary choice suggests great cultural importance placed on consuming meat. I see an idol to be smashed.

9/25/2008 4:36:14 PM

I see what you mean.

but is it culturally important? I think its more out of concern for the kids health. Same reason kids are told to eat all of their dinner and not so many cookies.

9/25/2008 4:45:21 PM

To me it seems like less of a health thing and more of a I don't want to have that kind of kids thing.

9/25/2008 4:47:03 PM