yeah, the minutes are winding down for them to announce a dual-camera iPhone

6/8/2009 2:13:38 PM

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"64 bit app support means that when the next safari security hole hits, malicious code can use all of your ram instead of just 4gigs"

seriously, this isn't the windows thread. move along.

6/8/2009 2:15:04 PM

lol if you think osx is a more secure os than windows these days.

6/8/2009 2:17:56 PM

How much experience do you have with Mac OS X?

6/8/2009 2:19:11 PM

yay real gps turn-by-turn navigation!

6/8/2009 2:25:32 PM

TomTom looks sweet. good they made the suction cup thing for it too.

6/8/2009 2:28:05 PM

plenty. I deal with it on a daily basis, but like i've probably mentioned before its all from an enterprise standpoint. Not just web browsing or listening to music. OSX is great as a dumb terminal for getting to a windows terminal server, but i wouldn't really try to do work on it.

As to security issues, safari has had plenty of well documented, significant security holes that apple has taken it sweet time to fix. Also, during the last pwn2own osx was taken out in 2 minutes through safari. Windows was taken out by a hole in flash a day later that would also have worked on linux or osx.

The one thing OSX has going for it is that no one cares about hacking a mac. What are you going to get? Maybe someones cookie recipes or family photos. Phishing attacks are much more profitable and platform independent.

Any data thats really worth individual targetting is going to be on linux or windows in someones enterprise.

6/8/2009 2:29:42 PM

we can log the pressure inside a balloon until it pops! FREAKING SWEET.

6/8/2009 2:32:48 PM

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"Wow -- you can unlock the car from within the app! Big applause for that one."

now thats COOL...too bad I would never use a zipcar haha

6/8/2009 2:37:38 PM

dang, two demos they've screwed up already. apple is getting slack.

6/8/2009 2:41:47 PM

yeh that freakin blows.

the Line6 app would be bad ass. I'm buying that. ZipCar was really impressive, too.

6/8/2009 2:45:40 PM

lol dead battery. Good thing you can change it.. oh wait.

6/8/2009 2:48:36 PM

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"plenty. I deal with it on a daily basis, but like i've probably mentioned before its all from an enterprise standpoint. Not just web browsing or listening to music. OSX is great as a dumb terminal for getting to a windows terminal server, but i wouldn't really try to do work on it. "

my point exactly. you lack the experience and know how to actually use OS X effectively. I use strictly Mac OS X for everything from development (java, tomcat, web dev, photoshop, etc etc) to gaming. In the past i've used both windows and linux and i've found that Mac OS X gets the job done with the least hassle. which is sort of the point because it gives me more time to actually do work. You're just fumbling around an OS you are unfamiliar with... which is where your trolling banter is coming from.

I was as much an apple hater as anyone if not more until I actually took the plunge and bought a powerbook G4 to see what the fuss was about...

6/8/2009 2:48:48 PM

lol. the window manager in osx alone is enough to kill my productivity. When you get into the actual applications, it gets worse. Eclipse, tomcat, etc... are all the same from platform to platform. Its things like explorer vs finder that make windows a way better platform.

For home use the only way to get osx to par with windows is to install windows under parallels or fusion. at that point you've paid a hefty premium to do something you could have done better for less.

6/8/2009 2:56:30 PM

hahahaha... at least make your trolling attempts a little more believable. This is no fun if you aren't going to put any effort into it.

6/8/2009 2:57:56 PM

eh reason i haven't purchased an Apple computer yet (i do have an ipod touch, and am planning on getting an iphone) is because nothing runs on OSX.

Can't really play latest games (not to mention can't even legally put OSX on a desktop you build, with the components you want), and none of the programs i run for CAD work. No autocad, no solidworks, no pro-e, none of the big software packages i use, or will use in the future run on OSX. It's sad microsoft has the monopoly on most of the big software suites, but it's the main reason why i won't use an apple as a primary computer.

Wouldn't mind having one for playing around on the internet though.

-they're really making this thing idiot proof. now people can lose thier iphones at a party, find it the next day with mobile-me, and even ask it what it's playing!

[Edited on June 8, 2009 at 3:07 PM. Reason : .]

6/8/2009 3:03:16 PM

Who gives a shit what operating system other people are using.

6/8/2009 3:06:34 PM

in the world of apple UI design the delete button does not delete. Nor do the home or end buttons go to the front or end of a text field. Truely superior design.

6/8/2009 3:12:46 PM

again. you're thinking windows which is what you are used to. Doesn't bother me that you are a windows user...

6/8/2009 3:20:15 PM

yeah..... different doesn't mean worse (or better)

Apple keyboards have both forward and backwards delete.
Apple laptops have backwards delete (windows backspace) or Fn+Delete for forward delete (Windows delete)

6/8/2009 3:22:35 PM

umm...Why does Safari 4 look different after upgrading the beta?

6/8/2009 3:42:05 PM

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"Apple laptops have backwards delete (windows backspace) or Fn+Delete for forward delete (Windows delete) "

It doesnt matter if you call it forward delete or backwards delete. The button on the keyboard is labeled DELETE. When i click a file and then click DELETE on the keyboard, it should delete the file. The fact that anyone would argue that the DELETE button should not delete is retarded.

6/8/2009 4:06:43 PM

it does delete. cmd+delete

6/8/2009 4:09:05 PM

cmd+delete is not the same as delete.

6/8/2009 4:15:18 PM

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"When i click a file and then click DELETE on the keyboard, it should delete the file."

This is the first thing you've said today that gives any clue that you might not be a total retard.

6/8/2009 4:18:31 PM

What have I said that isn't true? OSX suffers from other such UI problems and stuff like their terrible support and disregard for security issues makes for many issues that most mac users seem to ignore. Most of them probably never encounter them since they dont do much more than web browsing email and itunes. Which is why things like 2.3x speed increases in moving emails around in mail.app is exciting to them.

The iphone is really the only thing apple does pretty well, and even then only if you unlock it to get the full functionality.

6/8/2009 4:23:55 PM

Just like always, you've presented your opinions as if they're facts. And just like always, your opinions aren't exactly in line with what the majority of people in the know tend to think.

6/8/2009 4:26:26 PM

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"umm...Why does Safari 4 look different after upgrading the beta?"

WTH - they got rid of "Tabs on Top" and went back to the tab-under-address-bar layout!

I actually liked tabs-on-top - i enjoyed the extra space, and I was getting used to the look of it. now the look feels like a step backwards, especially with the Chrome dev-release this week, which uses a form of tabs-on-top.

6/8/2009 5:01:45 PM

it took me a while to get used to the tabs on top and now i have to undo all of that. i looked for an option thinking maybe tabs on top was still there but couldn't find anything.

6/8/2009 5:02:33 PM

Shaggy has made me lol quite a bit in this thread.

6/8/2009 5:05:09 PM

i guess the backlash was pretty big. and, admittedly, the usability wasn't really that great - it only became "good" after you got used to it. However, it is nice to be able to use the whole tab to grab (to rearrange or rip-off), instead of just the little grab-bar in the corner, and to be able to grab anywhere in the Title Bar to move the window, instead of the land-mines of the tab-close buttons

6/8/2009 5:05:50 PM

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" the usability wasn't really that great - it only became "good" after you got used to it."

The usability was awesome. The learning curce was just higher than normal, because the chose an inconsistent implementation. That was the only thing I actually liked about Safari 4 too... other than them fixing rendering problems finally.

But, in Apple's typical style, they have no fear in constantly abandoning technology just...because.

6/8/2009 6:01:15 PM

hmm, they also replace the ellipsis that indicated tab-overflow with arrows, and put the arrows inside the right-most tab.
And replaced the loading-circle with kind-of filled in address bar.

Those, plus removing tabs-on-top, seems like a whole lot of changes between the final beta and the release. I wonder how they did all the necessary testing.

[Edited on June 8, 2009 at 6:39 PM. Reason : .]

6/8/2009 6:38:41 PM

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"I wonder how they did all the necessary testing."

Ripping stuff out is a whole lot easier than putting stuff in.

6/8/2009 6:42:13 PM

another strange thing about Safari 4 tabs, which is unlike Safari 3, Safari 4 beta, or any other tabbed browser, is that when the tabs overflow to the right, now only the right-most visible tab cycles. Previously, when tabs overflow and you selected one of the overflowing ones, it would become the right-most visible tab and all other tabs would shift to the left, accordingly, so there would now be overflow on the left and right. Now, though, none of the tabs from 1 to N-1 ever move, and when you select an overflow tab from the arrow, it becomes the right-most visible tab, but only visibly. The actual Z-location of the tab is the same, so if you do CMD+SHIFT+Left Arrow to move to the next-left tab, the next-left tab simply replaces the right-most tab in the tab-bar. You keep shifting left until you're done with the overflow tabs, then you start shifting through the visible tabs.

I guess they did this so that all the visible tabs weren't being shifted left-and-right all the time, but nonetheless, now the right-most tab is kind of a free-for-all, and its behavior is not at all intuitive or visibly knowable.....

6/10/2009 4:51:05 PM

nice to see the Apple/Webkit team is pushing ahead full force with new web technologies like HTML5 (despite the video codec arguments) and apparently now 3D CSS Transforms
http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2009/07/3d-css-transforms-available-in-leopard-via-webkit-nightlies.ars

7/14/2009 8:05:44 PM

they also put out a new spec for location information, which they have started using with safari and iphone 3.0 release.

7/14/2009 10:25:55 PM

i hope the ~$800 tablet/netbook rumors are true

i will purchase one

7/14/2009 11:13:17 PM

This AppleInsider article is talking about the tablet as if it has already been announced - with no "rumors have it" or suppositions or anything. It's as if they have a leaked press report or confirmation from high up in Apple
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/07/24/apples_much_anticipated_tablet_device_coming_early_next_year.html

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"Exclusive: After four years of meticulous of developmental riddled with setbacks, Apple is now racing toward an early 2010 launch of a device that may see the electronics maker redefine the portable computing market for the second time in twice as many years. "

7/24/2009 1:07:24 PM

that's gotta be the worst photoshop i've seen of an apple "product"

7/24/2009 1:42:41 PM

yeah, definitely - if there's one thing to know for sure about any iTablet, it's that it will look a lot better than that "artist rendition"

7/24/2009 1:44:23 PM

http://gizmodo.com/5330134/apple-tablet-probability-meter-90-chance-4-months-away

Don't know what my feelings are on this.

8/5/2009 10:38:28 AM

probably already said, but give us true MMS NOW!!!!! viewmymessage website hasn't worked for me since i got an iphone...and now they keep pushing back to release of MMS over the ATT network...

8/5/2009 10:47:37 AM

What would I like to see Apple do next? How about quit being absolutely retarded when it comes to rejecting apps from the app store?

http://daringfireball.net/2009/08/ninjawords

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"Every time I think I’ve seen the most outrageous App Store rejection, I’m soon proven wrong. I can’t imagine what it will take to top this one. Apple requires you to be 17 years or older to purchase a censored dictionary that omits half the words Steve Jobs uses every day."

8/5/2009 12:52:27 PM

i dont think a tablet would go over very well. there are plenty of fanbois out there that will snatch it up if it's <$1000...but that's a LOT of money. so like $700-900 for a flat computer that you tote around for internetting kinda sucks to me. a netbook (if that's the market they are targeting) is a lightweight portable cheap computer for internet browsing. sure it could probably do a shit ton of other things that a dell mini can't, but my point here is cheap.

i actually read somewhere that somebody thought this would be competition for the kindle. what?? wayyyy different devices, way different prices. the e-paper or whatever is supposed to be easier on your eyes during extended use right?

forgive me if this has been posted already, i didn't scroll up very far.

[Edited on August 5, 2009 at 1:43 PM. Reason : ]

8/5/2009 1:39:52 PM