^^I've seen that shit in at least 5 different places

[Edited on November 12, 2008 at 4:40 PM. Reason : .]

11/12/2008 4:40:00 PM

Apparently, it only counts if the subject is black.

DIE BUSH DIE has been in the tunnel thousands of times, but no one seems to care about that.

Just saying.

11/12/2008 4:49:43 PM

regardless of whether or not it is protected speech

hasn't the Supreme Court ruled to limit the protection of free speech (and expression, whatever) in public schools? i think they have said that limitations in schools are ok. i don't know if school = university. but ncsu is a state institution. hmmm.

i don't know because i haven't had con law II yet. but i think i remember reading something somewhere.

anyone, anyone??

oh and ps this may have already been mentioned i didn't want to read through 5 pages of "fuck the NAACP"

pps the naacp used to be so much cooler back in the day.

[Edited on November 12, 2008 at 7:09 PM. Reason : .]

11/12/2008 7:07:25 PM

meh, NAACP still sucks and doesn't belong here and should get out of our business

11/12/2008 7:10:09 PM

^^ "cooler"

thats a stupid ass uninformed word

it was "relevant" and "effective" back in the day

what they are trying to do now, imo, is be "cool" so white apologists like yourself can continually feel white guilt over this supposed plight of the modern day african american

11/12/2008 7:14:51 PM

i dont feel shit

it is all about personal accountability and responsibility

11/12/2008 7:17:44 PM

i wasn't trying to use the word to sound informed

yes, cooler. as in amazing. as in i would love to have lived during the day of dubois and to witness the legal minds of houston and marshall (thurgood).

[Edited on November 12, 2008 at 7:19 PM. Reason : .]

11/12/2008 7:19:14 PM

i say the shitcan or severely scale down the NAACP machine

11/12/2008 7:20:49 PM

crawdaddy,

you may have to start posting a pic after every post, just so people don't freak out because the things you are saying could be construed borderline racist if you were a cracka ass cracka.

11/12/2008 7:27:22 PM

as long as they aren't construed as untruthful

cause that guy speaks the truth

[Edited on November 12, 2008 at 7:30 PM. Reason : and wtf, it's ok if a black guy says those thing, but not ok for a white guy? point in case]

11/12/2008 7:30:09 PM

my race shouldnt matter

11/12/2008 7:31:15 PM

^exactly

11/12/2008 7:31:37 PM

sigh

11/12/2008 7:36:06 PM

I don't really know how the students could get expelled.
If there was no policy against hate speech in the tunnel how can they make a new rule and then charge the students retroactively?

11/12/2008 7:36:08 PM

lol khcadwal so wants bighitsunday

11/12/2008 7:36:47 PM

because the NAACP will label NCSU has a racist institution, and morons will believe them

11/12/2008 7:36:49 PM

i dont think theyd be stupid enough to try that

theyd get severe pushback from the media on that one, i feel

11/12/2008 7:38:16 PM

^^^no i just don't even get how the discussion on this page started. i wanted to get back to me and my post.

i'm white if that helps

and female.

so i win.




(i have to put rolly eyes so people know that i am JOKING)

^^ doesn't everyone already think that anyway

^ exactly. that would be more retarded than what is already happening

[Edited on November 12, 2008 at 7:38 PM. Reason : .]

11/12/2008 7:38:22 PM

^unfortunately, no, many people think they serve a purpose, and what's worse, a needed purpose, and even worse, do good in our country

11/12/2008 7:39:48 PM

i think more people think they are full of shit than think they "serve a purpose"

11/12/2008 7:40:18 PM

yeh, I'd say so. but the crowd who believes in them is quite loud, and occasionally, they actually get something done, right or wrong, they have an influence

11/12/2008 7:41:19 PM

i haven't really been following the story. have any other organizations "stepped in"

like has the NC ACLU said anything about it?

just curious.

11/12/2008 7:41:20 PM

the crowd that believes in them likes to throw riots


they are in such lovely parts of the country as chicago, oakland, philly, and harlem

11/12/2008 7:47:04 PM

^bingo

11/12/2008 7:47:27 PM

11/12/2008 7:53:27 PM

What the fuck is this thread?

I'm going to spraypaint a graphic image of Satan raping the baby Jesus while taking a shit on the world trade center.

Let me know if that's okay because "It's called free speech and it's for everyone or no one. You can't just apply it to what you don't like. People need to get over it, quit being so offended by everything."

11/12/2008 8:02:44 PM

i wouldnt give a shit

probably get a good laugh out of it



your ability to offend hypothetically really sucks

11/12/2008 8:03:54 PM

Quote :

"because the NAACP will label NCSU has a racist institution"

Let me spell it out for you:

Students paint racially inflammatory and threatening words on a tunnel.

The University does nothing.

The University therefore condones and accepts these actions.

The University is therefore racist.

11/12/2008 8:04:17 PM

the thing that makes me lol is that if they wrote some antigay shit hardly anyone would care

11/12/2008 8:04:44 PM

Man, I regret that.

[Edited on November 12, 2008 at 8:10 PM. Reason : ]

11/12/2008 8:05:24 PM

well in my opinion the fact that you have been granted enrollment somehow at NCSU negates any perceived institutional racism

omg you pressed a button!

[Edited on November 12, 2008 at 8:06 PM. Reason : ff]

11/12/2008 8:05:30 PM

Quote :

"I'm going to spraypaint a graphic image of Satan raping the baby Jesus while taking a shit on the world trade center."

I'D ACTUALLY LIKE TO SEE SOMEONE DRAW THAT.

IF ANYONE CAN PRODUCE THIS ON ANY MEDIUM VIA ANY METHOD, PLEASE CONTACT ME VIA PM SON.


OH AND:

Quote :

"Apparently, it only counts if the subject is black. DIE BUSH DIE has been in the tunnel thousands of times, but no one seems to care about that. Just saying."

11/12/2008 8:05:55 PM

i can't believe people are still stuck on the fact that not all speech = protected speech (which is "free speech")

not that this isn't/wasn't

^^^^^. who are you spelling it out for?

this thread is just confusing in general. because i think everyone MIGHT be on the same side, but is too dumb to realize it. at least on this page.

high fives, guys.

[Edited on November 12, 2008 at 8:06 PM. Reason : .]

11/12/2008 8:06:34 PM

Quote :

"IF ANYONE CAN PRODUCE THIS ON ANY MEDIUM VIA ANY METHOD, PLEASE CONTACT ME VIA PM SON. "

Let me get out my Wacom pad, hold on.

11/12/2008 8:06:35 PM

Quote :

"^^^^^. who are you spelling it out for?"

The person I quoted, maybe?

The point is that not all speech is protected speech. Especially when it threatens a public official or a protected minority group.

I should know, I've said it on here before.

11/12/2008 8:08:19 PM

Quote :

"Apparently, it only counts if the subject is black. DIE BUSH DIE has been in the tunnel thousands of times, but no one seems to care about that. Just saying"

Bush hasn't had numerous people actually plotting to kill him. Or people who have actually been arrested for the same thing.

11/12/2008 8:10:09 PM

ME 8:06 PM

Quote :

"i can't believe people are still stuck on the fact that not all speech = protected speech (which is "free speech") "

Quote :

"this thread is just confusing in general. because i think everyone MIGHT be on the same side, but is too dumb to realize it. at least on this page. "

OTHER PERSON (ANGRILY) 8:08PM:

Quote :

"The point is that not all speech is protected speech. Especially when it threatens a public official or a protected minority group. "

ME:
sigh
face palm
sigh

11/12/2008 8:16:31 PM

the issue is this kdchadawlaal ala


sorry,,,


anyway.

NCSU had designated this and the state of NC by default, as a "designated public forum" for free speech. These areas have the the same level of protection as a "quintessentially public forum" as far as free speech is concerned.


The state may reserve the forum for its intended purpose, communicative or otherwise, as long as the regulation on speech is reasonable and not an effort to suppress expression merely because public officials oppose the speaker’s view. So long as the forum is open by the State, they must obey the same standards as the QPF. Any laws affecting the ability to communicate in these areas are subject to "Strict Scrutiny" analysis.

The only laws restricting free speech to ever survive strict scrutiny are the laws which provide that no campaigning may occur within ~50 feet of a voting booth, which you may have noticed when you went to vote this time.

That being said, NCSU is a public school. Here, in order for the State(NCSU) in the person of school officials to justify prohibition of a particular expression of opinion, it must be able to show that its action was caused by something more than a mere desire to avoid discomfort and unpleasantness that always accompanies an unpopular viewpoint. I think that it should be an easy burden for NCSU to meet in this case.

Not only may a school discriminate against speech that would “substantially interfere with its work…or impinge upon the rights of other students,” but also from speech that is, for example, ungrammatical, poorly written, inadequately researched, biased or prejudiced, vulgar or profane, or unsuitable for immature audiences.

In conclusion, NCSU has created something of a mess for itself by designating this a "free expression tunnel," although I think that any argument to allow this type of speech on a public campus could be easily overcome. But interestingly enough, there are some conlaw issues here.




[Edited on November 12, 2008 at 8:21 PM. Reason : e]

11/12/2008 8:18:03 PM

haha thanks!!! your post was awesome.

i was just thinking i've definitely read cases about protected speech and public schools. but that was like 3 years ago in undergrad. and i just don't know enough about it so i was hoping someone else did! but your post was definitely along the lines of what i was thinking (slash remembering)

maybe i should bring this up in conlaw although we aren't doing the first amendment until next semester.

11/12/2008 8:21:39 PM

I would think that it's something that could/should be discussed in Conlaw. Unfortunately for both of us, our classes are filled with classless UNC undergrads who spend more time hating on NCSU than on discussing the actual issues.

11/12/2008 8:23:19 PM

Quote :

"The point is that not all speech is protected speech. Especially when it threatens a public official or a protected minority group. "

Which we already established that the secret service deemed it not a threat...../your arguement

11/12/2008 8:27:25 PM

Quote :

"Let me spell it out for you: Students paint racially inflammatory and threatening words on a tunnel. The University does nothing. The University therefore condones and accepts these actions. The University is therefore racist."

wow, you just spew your stupid everywhere.

Never did I say that the university can't/won't do anything about this. However, I did say that I think they shouldn't be punished, as they broke no laws and simply did something that hundreds of other people have done, only this time it was about a black man who is President-Elect. The university will punish them. My argument is that we don't need the NAACP in here making demands, politicizing the fuck out of, like they have done.

11/12/2008 8:53:12 PM

Quote :

" Age : 25 Sex : M Hometown : Heaven Biography : I DON'T GIVE A FUCK WHO WINS THIS ELECTION. PEOPLE IN FUCKING NURSING HOMES HAVE OTHER PEOPLE TO TAKE THEM TO REGISTER TO VOTE. YOU DONT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT MY LIFE OR MY SITUATION SO FUCKING STAY OUT OF IT. BY THE TIME I REALIZED I WASN'T GOING TO BE HOME WHERE I AM REGISTERED TO VOTE, IT WAS TOO LATE TO CHANGE IT. BACK OFF ASSHOLE! Interests : Supreme rule Favorite Quote : The Wolf Web is dead. God, i would love to find you. beat you ass. video tape it. and send a copy to you every christmas so you can 'study' the film of your own skull being dragged across the pavement. now i don't have time to get back on here every five min. to write to your sad come backs. so do yourself a favor(and everyone else):turnoff your computer and stick your hands in the garbage disposal."

what a douche nozzle

11/12/2008 9:00:56 PM

the quote in the biography isn't his

11/12/2008 9:02:27 PM

Quote :

"I did say that I think they shouldn't be punished, as they broke no laws and simply did something that hundreds of other people have done, only this time it was about a black man who is President-Elect."

wow, you just spew your stupid everywhere.

http://www.ncdoj.com/victimscitizensservices/vscs_hate_crimes.jsp

"North Carolina's Ethnic Intimidation statute (N.C.G.S. 14-401.14) makes it a general misdemeanor to assault another person, damage or deface someone's property, or threaten to do either of these things, because of that person's race, color, religion or national origin."

Now get the fuck out of your own thread.

11/12/2008 9:06:38 PM

umm...no, you just did again. NO LAW WAS BROKEN.

Quote :

"Campus police said hate crime charges will not be filed because no crime was committed."

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/3913132/


straight from the horses mouth

11/12/2008 9:08:52 PM

Campus police are smarter than the Attorney General's office.

When you drive above the speed limit and get pulled, a cop can choose to let you go with a warning. That still doesn't mean that you didn't break the law.

[Edited on November 12, 2008 at 9:10 PM. Reason : ]

11/12/2008 9:09:27 PM

well considering no charges have been made, there is no talk of charging them, the police said no crime was committed, I'd say it has nothing to do with smarts, but the investigation that took place and concluded that no crime was committed.

11/12/2008 9:10:46 PM

Did anyone actually go to the NAACP meeting? I want to hear from some people that were there and have some interesting things that they've heard form them.

11/12/2008 9:59:52 PM

I look back at all of the stupid things I did growing up and do not recall ever wanting to paint racial slurs on government property.

I am not saying these kids deserved to be punished severely, but I would like to hear the reasoning that made them think this was a good idea.

11/12/2008 10:33:59 PM