the instinct can be activated on SERO plans now.

i'm thoroughly enjoying the pre so far. those of you with battery life complaints might want to stop by a service center and have yours tested. apparently there have been some bad ones out of the box. also, anyone looking to purchase a new pre around raleigh, the store on the corner of atlantic/millbrook has a few in stock.


[Edited on June 11, 2009 at 1:02 AM. Reason : oh, and if you brick your pre doing a software update or "other" things http://www.palm.com/rom will fix it]

6/11/2009 1:00:34 AM

^where did you get that information? Are you referring to the new "Everything Plus" accounts or the old 29.99 and 49.99 plans?

Not that I would activate that pos, I just couldn't find anywhere that gave the thumbs up.

6/11/2009 7:49:10 AM

pretty cool thing i got in an email this morning.. they take one apart as they do pretty much every new electronic device

http://content.techrepublic.com.com/2346-10877_11-309661.html

6/11/2009 8:17:11 AM

Quote :

"Anyone had to put paper in with the battery to make it fit tighter and not cause random reboots when closing the keyboard?"

i have no idea, as i've replaced mine with a touchstone cover. could be that you have a defective cover/phone.

6/11/2009 10:12:33 AM

I don't have one but I've seen a lot of people complaining about it on various forums.

6/11/2009 10:38:39 AM

Once again, Ars Technica hits the nail on the head, although I don't think I saw it like this before....

http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/2009/06/ars-reviews-the-palm-pre-part-1-the-blackberry-killer.ars

Quote :

"Since the Pre's unveiling at CES 2009, the tech press has been caught up in the Rocky-like narrative of a former champ, now fallen on lean times, who tries to recapture his former glory by stepping in the ring with a make-or-break, high-profile exhibition fight against the reigning titleholder. But there's a serious problem with how this narrative has been presented, and specifically with the mobile device that has been cast in the part of the young, strutting, seemingly invincible heavyweight titleholder. See, the Palm Pre isn't out to KO the iPhone, but rather it's swinging at the real reigning champ: RIM's BlackBerry. I've been using a Pre since late last week, and in this first installment of a multipart review I'll make the case that Palm is readying an eventual BlackBerry killer and discuss its messaging capabilities. "

6/11/2009 5:20:55 PM

i really want someone to come out with a tethering solution so i can get one for my wife and play with it more - that and fix the ridiculous contacts deal where everyone in the world is a contact

6/11/2009 6:27:19 PM

got my palm pre today

it's still a first generation device, but I'm loving it so far

I think it's stupid to compare the numbers of apps in palms brand new app catalog to apple's app store as if those are static numbers. apple has a lot more dev for it and palm will catch up, not to mention that tons of the apps in apple's app store are shit

6/13/2009 8:37:10 PM

^ youre right it's a dumb comparison now, but I don't see Palm catching up, and you can certainly expect a ton of garbage to be in the Palm app store too.

6/13/2009 10:11:00 PM

Pre gets NES emulation
http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/14/pre-gets-nes-emulation-in-linux-our-thumbs-are-in-for-a-world-o/

http://predev.wikidot.com/nintendo

I made the right choice, love this phone.

6/14/2009 3:39:47 PM

iphone (jailbroken) has had a NES emulator for like two years.

6/14/2009 11:19:27 PM

oh this is a good game

Quote :

"iphone (jailbroken) has had a NES emulator for like two years."

my old computer from 2001 has had a NES emulator for like eight years

6/15/2009 2:00:33 PM

sup dawg, i heard u liek consoles...

6/15/2009 2:52:00 PM

Apple to Palm Pre: Drop dead

Quote :

"Apple: Apple designs the hardware and software to provide seamless integration of the iPhone and iPod with iTunes, the iTunes Store, and tens of thousands of apps on the App Store. Apple is aware that some third-parties claim that their digital media players are able to sync with Apple software. However, Apple does not provide support for, or test for compatibility with, non-Apple digital media players and, because software changes over time, newer versions of Apple’s iTunes software may no longer provide syncing functionality with non-Apple digital media players. As John Gruber, the first to spot the snippy missive, put it in his Daring Fireball blog, “Translation: ‘Nice iTunes syncing you’ve got, Palm. Be a shame if something happened to it.’" Pre's Response: “Palm’s media sync works with the current version of iTunes,” Palm spokesperson Lynn Fox told Digital Daily’s John Paczkowski. “If Apple chooses to disable media sync in a future version of iTunes, it will be a direct blow to their users who will be deprived of a seamless synchronization experience. However, people will have options. They can stay with the iTunes version that works to sync their music on their Pre, they can transfer the music via USB, and there are other third-party applications we could consider.”"

I got my pre yesterday

6/17/2009 2:28:45 PM

Quote :

"If Apple chooses to disable media sync in a future version of iTunes"

how disingenuous

6/17/2009 2:45:18 PM

I'd blow that shit up if i was Apple.

6/17/2009 3:32:44 PM

so, dumb question... if i bought the pre, would it be unable to be activated by sprint (since I have SERO)? or can i just not get it from sprint/at any of their discounts?

6/21/2009 2:28:25 AM

^You can't even buy the Pre on the old $30 SERO plan. The activation system forces you to change to a compatible plan before even tendering out.

6/21/2009 12:29:44 PM

Yeah, I had a lady from iCare on the line last year before the Instinct launch that had the power to do just about anything and did a great job convincing me there was absolutely no way to force the phone to be activated on the SERO plan. Which in hindsight was a blessing, because the Instinct is such a pos.

I called her back months later after the SERO debacle and she was able to override the system to change my FF500 to FF1250, so I'm pretty sure the only way to get what you're after would be to switch to an SEP plan and get someone to severely discount it to match the price of the old SERO. (good luck)

as far was what ^ said, that may or may not be 100% true. I think I've read instances where an idiot rep in telesales(or employee sales), or eCare has sold some SERO peeps the Pre without knowing (or telling?) them that it wouldn't activate.

[Edited on June 21, 2009 at 1:14 PM. Reason : .]

6/21/2009 1:12:32 PM

dammit. a cool phone isn't worth the $texas i save on monthly bills. $40 with insurance FTW.

6/21/2009 9:51:04 PM

Getting closer ...

Homebrewed Apps for Non-Rooted Devices
http://www.precentral.net/homebrewed-apps-coming-non-rooted-devices

6/21/2009 10:53:10 PM

^^^what dmidkiff posted is most definitely true, and out of anyone posting in here he's likely the resident authority on the subject. even direct/indirect employee accounts are restricted in how any personal pres can be activated. i'd be highly suspect of anyone saying otherwise.

as for the instinct, i'll say again that it most certainly can be activated on the old SERO plans. "technically" it's not allowed, but it can be done fairly easily if you're grandfathered in on an old plan. i'd also be curious to know what classifies it as a pos? touch panel/digitizer failures have been somewhat common on the m800 (seemingly not an issue with the m810), but other than that it's a pretty solid unit for a full touch device with all of the current software/firmware updates.

[Edited on June 21, 2009 at 11:26 PM. Reason : .]

6/21/2009 11:25:56 PM

The SERO activation dilemma you're describing right now with the Pre, is how the Instinct was on launch. I'm sure now it's not difficult at all to get it put on your plan. It's a POS compared to what I was actually looking for in a phone (iCare gave me a Mogul when I wanted the Instinct). It just failed to meet my expectations and such.

I'm not discrediting dmidkiff by any means, but I truly hope that small egostroke you tossed him is warranted. I would have to assume he actually resides somewhere higher in the chain of command than the ignorant (no offense) sales monkeys at the retail store. Hell, even the techs rarely know enough to transfer contacts without bricking both devices.

That said, I was simply saying, there's been logs of SERO customers given false information before launch and being sold Palm Pres through chatting, telesales, and eCare regardless of the activation outcomes. "Tendering out" has to make me assume he works at one of the retail stores, which is completely understandable as to how it would be impossible to purchase one there at your reduced rate.

PS: I also know the Blackberrys can be "technically" added to a voice only SERO FF with a bit of social engineering, but I was told the system rejected the Instinct on launch, but some time afterward it appears they let it through now.

/2c

6/22/2009 1:29:15 AM

And go...
http://www.precentral.net/right-now-install-homebrew-app

SDK? We don't need no stinkin' SDK.

6/22/2009 10:28:56 AM

Well, I have the HTC Touch and the screen has lost a lot of it's responsiveness, the power button on the top is acting up, blah blah blah.



I would be willing to pay to upgrade to a Pre, but otherwise, I guess I'm just looking to get the Diamond otherwise, through the Equipment Protection plan. I've had enough refurbished HTC Touch replacements as it is.

6/22/2009 11:39:16 AM

webOS 1.0.3 available now.

[Edited on June 22, 2009 at 10:28 PM. Reason : .]

6/22/2009 10:26:27 PM

1.03 was released on the 19th....

6/22/2009 10:28:01 PM

nice to see updates coming out regularly, but nothing to really get excited over in 1.0.3. seems like mostly bug fixes and small stuff

6/22/2009 10:34:41 PM

Ars reviews the Palm Pre, part 2: the webOS experience
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/2009/06/ars-palm-pre-review.ars

Quote :

"In this second installment of our Palm Pre review, we go in-depth on the software side of the device. Does Palm's webOS really live up to its promise as a "cloud" messaging mobile? More on this topic, as well as the calendar, browser, contacts, alerts, dialer, and other features, inside."

Long review, but very good and worth the read.

6/24/2009 10:58:41 AM

Palm Pre Mojo SDK Download Leaked To The Web
http://preinsiders.com/home/2009/06/26/palm-pre-mojo-sdk-download-leaked-to-the-web/


Score!!! The torrent is downloading quite fast.

6/27/2009 1:47:04 PM

I've had the Pre for a couple weeks now and love it. I however don't know much about the Apps and downloads...so how do I get the NES emulator?

6/28/2009 7:57:06 PM

it's possible to install homebrew apps on the pre at the moment, but there are some serious limitations (you can't uninstall anything, for one)

and I agree that right now the app catalog is a little bare, but this phone is what, 3 weeks out of launch? the development will be there, it just takes a little time

6/28/2009 9:25:24 PM

as of 1.04 you can no longer install homebrew apps - until it's cracked again at least...

6/29/2009 4:05:43 PM

I think i just found a flaw in the Pre's marketing.
I'm at my in-laws house, and a Pre commercial came on last night. I think it was a 30-second version of this one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Hk8IzdwYEA
My mother-in-law was watching, and my father-in-law was nodding off. But my MIL was so intrigued by people in orange, she literally didn't even notice the phone. Every time the orange people came on, she would keep trying to wake my F-I-L to get him to see it. Then at the end of the commercial, I said something about the Pre, and she said "what's that," and I said "the commercial for the phone we just saw." She responded "what phone?" and I said "the commercial we just saw - that was a new phone, the Palm Pre." and she said, "like.... a Palm Pilot?"
and I was like, "yeah..... kind of..... but newer."

or, maybe that's just a flaw in my mother-in-law

6/30/2009 5:42:44 PM

^lol...did they get the same ad agency that Toyota used for the Prius to make that? And I literally barely saw anything about the phone and what it can do. I am not impressed by that commercial.

6/30/2009 5:50:08 PM

yeah, i mean, it's amazing that it took so many years for a company to come out and do commercials that do nothing but showing people using the product they're trying to sell, and now that Apple is doing just that, no other company is going to copy them for fear of being accused of copying Apple.

6/30/2009 6:10:15 PM

^well their UI does have characteristics of an iPhone which works well (the iPhone UI that is...never used the Pre UI in person before). So really there is no point in re-inventing the wheel or fixing what already works. It doesn't have to be exactly the same but the basic idea is to demonstrate your product as best you can and not to demonstrate how much money you have to spend on extravagant marketing.

6/30/2009 6:24:40 PM

http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/01/gsm-pre-to-launch-on-o2-in-uk-next-week/

Maybe it'll support AT&T bands. I'm sick of the iPhone and the wife wants my 3G.

7/1/2009 7:10:15 PM

got mine on friday. never had a pda phone before, pretty fun toying around with it, but there isnt much cool stuff yet. dont even have good games to waste my time, at least my sanyo had bowling!

it does have a bunch of cool stuff, but most of that is practical stuff that i havent had a reason to use yet

7/6/2009 10:38:20 PM

Tethering is a go ...
http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/191082-tethered-pre-without-any-apps-ssh-scripts.html

Also, they are pushing the SDK out to more and more people who signed up (myself included) and homebrew apps are already appearing. A simple method of installing them by anyone is currently under investigation. Good stuff.

7/6/2009 11:43:12 PM

i just gotta say the new commercial for the Pre with that horrible song makes me want to STAB MY EARS OUT!!!!!!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrLR7l4qgfQ

It's F-IN HORRIBLE!

[Edited on July 7, 2009 at 12:49 AM. Reason : .]

7/7/2009 12:47:57 AM

Yea, I hate it. Urge to kill ... rising.

7/7/2009 1:12:47 AM

"Ratings disabled."
"Adding comments has been disabled for this video."

It's the latest rage, release a video, get lots of approved posters to post positive rating & comments, then disable.

7/7/2009 1:16:15 AM

I like the pre as an instrument to keep apple on its toes. A lot of things people were praising the pre for at the start of this thread are now in the iphone 3gs, just around the same time the pre was released.

7/7/2009 1:33:15 AM

I like the pre as an instrument to keep apple on its toes. A lot of things people were praising the pre for at the start of this thread are now in the iphone 3gs, just around the same time the pre was released.

7/7/2009 1:36:43 AM

Quote :

"Well, I have the HTC Touch and the screen has lost a lot of it's responsiveness, the power button on the top is acting up, blah blah blah."

get the hell out of that thing asap. piece of junk. the diamond and pro's are only marginally better.

7/12/2009 10:18:21 PM

Sprint has some new commercials with the Pre, their marketing team is great this time. Catchy and entertaining ads, and I don't say that very often.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-tRHNElTo4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRHjmog9n7k

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wtjx-7xjL_Y

7/13/2009 11:57:41 PM

ha, Apple to Palm: "No iTunes for you!"
http://www.businessweek.com/technology/ByteOfTheApple/blog/archives/2009/07/apple_to_palm_i.html

at least Apple is not mincing words and pretending like this is an unfortunate side effect of some other change

Quote :

"“iTunes 8.2.1 is a free software update that provides a number of important bug fixes,” says Apple spokeswoman Natalie Kerris. “It also disables devices falsely pretending to be iPods, including the Palm Pre. As we’ve said before, newer versions of Apple’s iTunes software may no longer provide syncing functionality with unsupported digital media players.”"

Palm is whining about it, though

Quote :

"Just got a statement from Palm spokeswoman Lynn Fox. “Palm’s media sync works with iTunes 8.2. If Apple chooses to disable media sync in iTunes, it will be a direct blow to their users who will be deprived of a seamless synchronization experience. However, people will have options. They can stay with the iTunes version that works to sync their music on their Pre, they can transfer the music via USB, and there are other third-party applications we can consider.”"

yeah, or Palm could use their 17 years of experience writing sync-software to write their own sync application instead of piggy-backing on Apple's. They could even use the iTunes XML database and all the iTunes music, and just write a nice front-end. WebOS shows they know how to create nice front-ends.

7/16/2009 12:13:14 AM

to me, a phone that does not open, slide, have moving parts is always >>>>> one with those aforementioned items. a hinge or track of some sort is just something to gather dust and grit and fail. buttons or no, i will always choose stick [i]phones.

7/16/2009 10:51:16 AM

Mojo SDK finally open to the public:

http://developer.palm.com/


http://www.crunchgear.com/2009/07/16/palm-opens-the-mojo-sdk-for-all-new-pre-apps-forthcoming/

7/16/2009 1:00:07 PM