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"I think we find out later in that same episode that Desmond was confusing that match with one the next day or something along those lines."

right. desmond never went to the bar the first time because he didn't consult his friend on time travel originally. he just assumed it was the same night.

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"Personally, I think he was living in the past, but on a different time-line. All the major things were the same, but small details (like the soccer match) were different."

but even though there were some small details that were different (his friend at the bar, talking to eloise), he didn't change anything really, and eloise's point was that he couldn't, so i don't understand how it would be an alternate time line if nothing happened differently aside from desmond getting hit by the cricket bat instead of the bartender. but that didn't produce any different results, did it? i thought the whole point was that desmond thought he could change things, but in the case with charlie he realized it was impossible.

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"-- i think that will tie in with what Jacob and the other guy were talking about. "They come. They fight. They destroy. They corrupt. It always ends the same."And really everything going on. They're traveling to the past, and in-turn creating a new/alternate time line and maybe they've created dozens of slightly altered time-lines. Each one ends up being a little different than the other. But eventually, those little things may add up to change something significant - again, that's just my theory."

hopefully i'm not missing what you're saying here, but i'm probably just doing a combination of reaffirming what you said and doing a lot of rambling. obviously all the small time traveling events will change something significant, presumably with the detonation of jughead to prevent 815 from crashing, which seems likely given the white flash at the end of the episode and the title of episode 1 of season 6. it would seem everything that happened was because of jacob's plan and his influence, but i don't think time travel was ever foreseen by jacob as something that would need to happen, if that's something you might be getting at. the oceanic 6 were never supposed to leave, and they screwed something up in doing so. i think widmore might've inadvertently thrown a wrench into everyone's plans since the O6 never would've left if he hadn't have found the island.

since the O6 did leave, an event had to occur to bring them back to the island and fix whatever they did. i'm not sure if ben was ever supposed to move the island, which caused the donkey wheel to be moved off its axis to cause the time skips. the ones who were left behind were brought back to several key events in time (aaron's birth, the light coming on in the hatch), so all that happened for a reason as cuse and lindelof said in "a journey in time." but had locke not decided to move the wheel again, they all would've died eventually because they weren't supposed to be in those time periods anyway. then again, the events were necessary for the O6 to return, but like i said, jacob's plan wasn't for them to ever leave in the first place.

another thing that points to time travel being a curveball was "locke's" reaction to what caesar (i think) said about everyone on the plane disappearing. he must've known about the importance of the ones who left, and "locke" seems somewhat concerned that they simply disappeared as if he didn't know how or why it could've happened. then again, he could've just been trying to act in character of the body he was inhabiting. but if you watch those episodes over, his behavior, mannerisms, and the things he says make it clear that this is a man with an agenda. he may have realized something wasn't right and knew that he had to act quickly to have jacob killed before anything else occurred that would prove jacob was right.

so i think jack, kate, hurley and sayid were sent back to 1977 as a form of course-correcting. the whole reason they went back was because they couldn't recreate enough of the events of 815, so i assume they had to be reunited with their friends in another time. to me it seems all the time travel was completely unintended, and now it's their destiny to fix the errors by detonating jughead and reset everything so jacob's plan can happen as it was supposed to. so that's kind of my theory. i think eloise might have been right all along. you can't change what is supposed to happen. anything that these people do must be done in order for events to unfold the way they are meant to. then again, i guess by detonating the bomb they would be creating a new timeline, so i have absolutely no idea what i'm trying to say here.

[Edited on January 27, 2010 at 3:14 PM. Reason : .]

[Edited on January 27, 2010 at 3:17 PM. Reason : .]

1/27/2010 3:10:40 PM

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"but even though there were some small details that were different (his friend at the bar, talking to eloise), he didn't change anything really, and eloise's point was that he couldn't, so i don't understand how it would be an alternate time line if nothing happened differently aside from desmond getting hit by the cricket bat instead of the bartender. but that didn't produce any different results, did it? i thought the whole point was that desmond thought he could change things, but in the case with charlie he realized it was impossible."

Faraday - the person most informed about time travel on the show - first said they couldn't change anything. But then he said they could. That doesn't mean they can necessarily, but it means more to me than Desmond feeling like he can't change anything. Faraday is the guy who discovered the stuff.

And you said yourself, Desmond got hit instead of the bartender (i'm taking you're word for that). If that's true, then something DID change, thus it is an alternate time-line. No idea if it really impacted anything. But it may have and more importantly it's evidence that things can change. This is kinda silly, but I have a diagram on my home computer showing it that i used to have in my gallery. I'll post it when i get home.. It's kinda like: they go back in time, which creates an alternate time-line. Something slightly different happens. A lot of things happen the same, the characters are born and grow up and then they get lost and go back in time. That creates a new time-line, something slightly different happens again, and so on. It's a a bunch of branches that loop back on themselves forcing a new branch to be created. and that branch or time-line gets a little more different each time. Who knows how many times it's taken place. Which brings me back to something Jacob said -

ENEMY: Am I? They come. They fight. They destroy. They corrupt. It always ends the same.
JACOB: It only ends once. Anything that happens before that is just progress.

Just a theory. could be way off. But I believe it's possible within the rules that they've laid out.

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"i think jack, kate, hurley and sayid were sent back to 1977 as a form of course-correcting. the whole reason they went back was because they couldn't recreate enough of the events of 815, so i assume they had to be reunited with their friends in another time. to me it seems all the time travel was completely unintended, and now it's their destiny to fix the errors by detonating jughead and reset everything so jacob's plan can happen as it was supposed to. so that's kind of my theory."

They went back because of Eloise and others pressing them to. So, do you think that was all part of a cosmic course correction? I think Eloise and Whidmore may have agendas of their own. Maybe completely separate from that of Jacob or the other guy. And I don't think the time-travel is unintended. Maybe to that particular time. But it's too big a part of the story to just be a fluke thing. I mean, they have a character who discovered time-travel and knows all about it who happens to be the kid of two very important characters. Maybe I misunderstood you, but I think time-travel, in some regard, was definitely intended on some level or another - but, it's all speculation at this point.


Wish I had time to go back and watch some older episodes.

[Edited on January 27, 2010 at 4:44 PM. Reason : .]

1/27/2010 4:41:48 PM

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"They went back because of Eloise and others pressing them to."

i didn't mean the reason why they decided to return to the island. i meant they went back specifically to 1977 because they failed to recreate enough of the same circumstances of the crash of 815 to remain in the present. it's the reason lindelof and cuse gave in "a journey in time," which i just watched for the first time last night after i found out it was more than just a recap episode before the season 5 finale.

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"So, do you think that was all part of a cosmic course correction?"

i think i should've also mentioned earlier that i've been awake for over 24 hours, but you can probably tell something's up with the way i've been rambling and probably not making sense

but i think i might need to rephrase some of what i've said after thinking about it. if eloise is right and whatever is meant to happen will happen, yes i do think it could be part of a cosmic course correction. eloise knew the man with the red shoes would die, so there was no way to save him. desmond was never meant to give penny the ring because it was his destiny to go to the island and push a button. even when he made up his mind to do it differently, he still ended up breaking up with penny like he always did.

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"And you said yourself, Desmond got hit instead of the bartender (i'm taking you're word for that). If that's true, then something DID change, thus it is an alternate time-line. No idea if it really impacted anything. But it may have and more importantly it's evidence that things can change."

he definitely got hit because that's when he woke up in the jungle. and yes, he did change something, so i see what you mean with the slightly different time line theory. so i guess you can also consider each instance of desmond saving charlie to be the creation of another timeline since desmond changed something.

but now that makes me think that the whole circumstances behind the O6, lapidus and desmond escaping could be considered some kind of alternate timeline and not the one that should've happened. according to your theory, each instance when desmond saves charlie creates an alternate reality. he is doomed in each one, and eloise's statements do prove to be true, but in the final scenario desmond orchestrates, it results in people leaving the island, which was not supposed to happen. changing the variables enough will alter the final equation. that being said, if juliet successfully detonated the nuke then that would also create an alternate reality. now it gets dicey when you start worrying about how the timelines will somehow converge. i think we've come up with some pretty good speculation on what has happened so far, but i don't know if we'll have any luck with where to go from here. i won't at least. i don't know about you.

so if all that is true (and it's probably not because fuck this show), then i definitely think the events that unfolded after the O6 left were never supposed to happen, and all of the characters had to be put in a situation together where the mistakes of the past (or future, however you wanna look at it) have to be corrected. i don't think jacob intended it to happen. unless we see him make contact with desmond at some point in the past in season 6, jacob was very intent on only making contact with jack, kate, sawyer, locke, hurley, sayid, jin and sun. until then, desmond is and always was the variable and is the only one who can change things. so i think i can say that the time travel isn't really a fluke, but i don't think it was intended from the start. if my theory is right about the events that happened being wrong from the start, then the time travel is necessary for course correction.

but now i just end up back where i was a few days ago. if jacob seems to represent the side of free will, then what does it mean that he seems to be using all these people to follow predetermined paths? and i also thought of something else. couldn't the man in black be considered to be somewhat right at this stage in the game? jacob brought everyone to the island, and many of them behaved just as the man in black said they would. they fought and killed the others and each other. but i guess anything that happens is just progress until we know what happens.

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"I think Eloise and Whidmore may have agendas of their own."

definitely. but from what we've seen, widmore just wants to get back to the island. whether or not he'll exploit it like ben said is up in the air. eloise seems to be much more concerned with getting the key pieces in the places where they need to be because of the need for things to happen the way they are supposed to. i don't think they're working together, but you never know

[Edited on January 27, 2010 at 5:49 PM. Reason : .]

1/27/2010 5:42:44 PM

this is one of the most long-winded, academic per-post threads I've seen for a TV show in my life.... can we get back to more pics and links, please?

LESS THAN A WEEK TO GO, OMFG!


For the record, I am glad the spoiler tagging went away.

1/27/2010 5:57:18 PM

^ well we haven't brought up anything about season 6 lately either

and lost has ruined evangeline lilly for me. i don't know if i'll be able to see her in anything else without wanting to throw things at the tv. she is hot though.

1/27/2010 7:29:07 PM

reading this thread makes me realize how much i have forgotten. I hope the clips show before the premiere helps refresh my memory good enough.

i keep remembering so much stuff that they have to explain and i'm worried they aren't going to explain all the details...

for example, why are there still dharma air drops!?

1/27/2010 7:30:42 PM

If only someone would--

Oh, wait

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Periodic_resupply_drop

1/27/2010 7:34:30 PM

like i said...it doesn't explain why they are continuing or who is doing it

1/27/2010 7:38:47 PM

i feel like i remember hearing a while back that they would explain the supply drops, but they lie about shit before every season, so you never know what they'll end up doing. i don't really care about it.

1/27/2010 7:41:51 PM

That wasn't my point

You said there was a lot of stuff you need you don't remember

Good news, there's a giant damn site with all the info on it

(It doesn't explain it because there has been no explanation. I came to that by copying / pasting "dharma air drops" into Google.)

1/27/2010 7:42:55 PM

i really want to see what the people look like who are responsible for lostpedia

1/27/2010 7:46:43 PM

just read through maybe the last 10 pages of the season 5 thread and it really jogged my memory on a lot of things.

I actually asked if Jacob was ever referred to as Jacob in the show like the day after the season finale. I'm definitely going to have to watch the recap show.

[user]ratsoup[/user], if you want what may be a better explanation of my alternate time-line theory, you can find it here:
message_topic.aspx?topic=535957&page=42#12906083

1/27/2010 8:12:33 PM

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"[user]ratsoup[/user], if you want what may be a better explanation of my alternate time-line theory, you can find it here: message_topic.aspx?topic=535957&page=42#12906083"

pretty interesting and well thought out. but wouldn't various loops that resulted in the changing of enough events to cause something dramatic to occur take a long time, or does each different decision instantly create several other alternate realities that all culminate over the same course of time and all come together to influence one major outcome? we only have 18 more episodes for this bullshit

what's the consensus on whether or not everyone retains their memories if the nuke worked like it should? haha and if everyone who died is resurrected, won't they just end up dying again pretty soon anyway when the universe course corrects?

1/27/2010 8:44:29 PM

i guess initially i thought it was taking a long time. but then i started to think about it and was just confusing myself, so i'll pass for now.


regarding the nuke, and this was talked about some in last season's thread - i think if it actually went off like a regular bomb, they all die. No ifs, ands, or buts about it. It's been made clear that even though they're from the future, they're living their present. If they get shot, they're shot and can die. If a bomb goes off, they can die. That being said, the child versions of them who are in the US at that point are growing up are just fine... perhaps to repeat the events of their lives.

personally, i think that would be retarded. so there are 3 options i'm willing to go with

1) the bomb doesn't go off - the white flash was them traveling through time.

2) it goes off, but the electro-magnetic force somehow contains the blast and they're also transported in time

3) it goes off, they are transported in time in the smallest part of a second before they're killed by the blast -- i think the general consensus was that this was unlikely due to the swan still being around and there not being a huge crater on the island -- but who knows.

1/27/2010 9:46:00 PM

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"It's been made clear that even though they're from the future, they're living their present."

i remember miles having that conversation with hurley, and that seems to be the case most of the time. i think it would explain why rousseau didn't remember meeting jin when he was time traveling in 1988, which i initially assumed was attributable to rousseau going nuts after living in solitude for 16 years in constant fear of the others, polar bears and the smoke monster and simply didn't remember his face or trying to kill him after she shot the rest of her crew. now that i think about it, i guess it could be a non factor since rousseau can't exactly pull a 2007 desmond and wake up with a memory of something that didn't actually happen in her original past (that is what happened to desmond, right?) since she was already dead once everyone started time traveling.

but what i'm confused about is what happens at the end of "this place is death." charlotte tells faraday before she dies that she grew up on the island, left with her mother, and became an anthropologist in order to someday find the island and return to it. she also says that when she was a little girl a scary looking man told her to leave the island and never come back, and then she tells faraday that the man was him.

faraday later tells charlotte that she and her mother have to leave the island in 1977, but if it was supposed to have happened during faraday's present moment on the island, how was charlotte able to remember it if it technically hadn't happened yet?

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"1) the bomb doesn't go off - the white flash was them traveling through time. "

what would've been the catalyst for them to time travel if that was the case?

[Edited on January 28, 2010 at 12:49 AM. Reason : .]

1/28/2010 12:33:17 AM

think of time as a DVD movie. Even though i'm on the tail end of the movie the information for that dvd is all still there. I can skip to the end of the movie and then the front again and go back and forth but it is all just one movie.


that may not even be a good analogy but the point is that there are no alternate time lines. even though our oceanic crew has gone back in time there are active in the one and only existing timeline. there is no original past and then a past part 2. what we see happening in 1974 - 1977 is what has always happened on the island during that time. this is why charlotte remembers daniel telling her she needed to leave. he has always been there to do it. rousseau likely doesn't remember jin because of the craziness you first suspected. ben likely, in some fashion, remembers sayid.

i hope this helps.

1/28/2010 9:27:13 AM

I need to watch the last two episodes of season 5 :\

but so excited for thissssssss

1/28/2010 9:29:31 AM

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"faraday later tells charlotte that she and her mother have to leave the island in 1977, but if it was supposed to have happened during faraday's present moment on the island, how was charlotte able to remember it if it technically hadn't happened yet?"

That's actually rather simple to explain.

It happened in Charlotte's past, so she remembered. She was a child on the island during the time that Faraday ended up in. That all played into the "what happens, always happened" mantra.


A couple of posts from last season's thread about it:

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"Whidmore and Ellie bone>Daniel born>Daniel is super smart, and studies time travel>Daniel fucks up experiment and screws up girl and himself> whidmore goes to his house and hires him>Daniel and others take freighter to the island> Daniel travels back in time to 1974 (i think)> Hangs out and works for 3yrs in ann harber for DI> goes back to the island and is shot by Eloise (his mother)."

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"From Faraday's perspective: he was born around 1977, grew up, went to Oxford, did research, was hired by Widmore, went to the island, skipped through time, ended up in 1974, went to Ann Arbor to learn about the island and the DI, returned, was shot, died. Birth ~30 years ago --> 2005 --> 1954 --> 1974 --> 1977 --> dead So, he died after traveling through time to the period after his mother became pregnant with him. From the perspective of someone like Alpert, who has been on the island since at least 1954: A grown Faraday shows up in 1954, checks out the bomb and disappears. Then Faraday shows back up in 1977, looking the exact same and is shot by Ellie. 30 years later, Faraday again shows up, still looking the exact same, this time on the freighter. From Faraday's perspective, everything in the preceding paragraph happened within a three year time span."

-- I don't recall if it was in 74 or 77, but during one of those times he met Charlotte as a little girl and told her to leave the island and to never come back. So, when Charlotte had said it - she knew about it because it happened in her past. He did not, because it was still in his future.

There could be more to that as well. That could actually be an example of something being changed. Perhaps she didn't remember that until that point. And it could be because her consciousness was jumping back and forth to when she was a child (she said several things in a child'ss tone and that a child would say). It's possible that, her dying like that, and the fact that Faraday loved her caused him to want to tell her that. Now that would be his future, or potential future and impacted her past. Her memory could have sorta been "updated" with that particular memory. Not unlike how Desmond suddenly woke up with a memory of something that hadn't happened to him. -- ratsoup, i sent you a pm that goes right along with this. I hadn't thought about it with Charlotte before though, just Desmond.

If that is true, it would also kinda always assure that what happens, has always happened -- at least in their memories.

[Edited on January 28, 2010 at 10:33 AM. Reason : .]

1/28/2010 10:06:56 AM

and -

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"what would've been the catalyst for them to time travel if that was the case?"

Maybe the electromagnetic field/force being unleashed? They're over the pocket. In the future, the station is there and you have to enter the numbers every 108 minutes to "contain" it or whatever. When they didn't do that, there was a huge flash and desmond's consciousness went to 1996 or something like that. The others saw the sky start to change. Desmond turned the key in time to prevent from maybe really screwing things up or impacting everyone, but he was very close to it.

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"i think it would explain why rousseau didn't remember meeting jin when he was time traveling in 1988"

If you're referring to her not recognizing him in the time after the plane crash and before they started jumping around in time, it wouldn't explain it. Maybe she did recognize him but we didn't quite pick up on it back then.

Or maybe she didn't recognize him because they hadn't started to go back in time yet, in-turn creating a possible future in which that's part of her past. If she were still alive, her memory may be "refreshed" with a memory of Jin - like Desmond's when Faraday went to the bunker and told him to find him (desmond then woke up in the future with that memory), and maybe Charlotte with remembering Faraday.

[Edited on January 28, 2010 at 10:54 AM. Reason : .]

1/28/2010 10:43:00 AM

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"It happened in Charlotte's past, so she remembered. She was a child on the island during the time that Faraday ended up in. That all played into the "what happens, always happened" mantra."

it happened in her past, but it happened because faraday had the experience of seeing her die and thought that he might be able to change something even though it probably wouldn't work. so maybe her memory was "refreshed" like you said it might have been, but just maybe not in time for it to change anything.

1/28/2010 7:48:32 PM

if spoilers are going to be allowed unchecked then there needs to be a spoiler free thread in addition to this one. like a non smoking section.

1/28/2010 8:38:11 PM

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" like a non smoking section."

which don't exist anymore... ZING!

1/28/2010 8:52:42 PM

^^ what spoilers are going unchecked? Discussion of things that have happened in past episodes is not a spoiler. Neither is talking about what we think may happen/what we think is going on based on past episodes. If you're getting your info. from a spoiler site or some sort of insider shit that is actually canon, that's a spoiler. But speculation based on past events is fair game. Talking about episodes that have already aired is fair game.

This is a spoiler free thread. Feel free to create a thread for spoilers. They exist for just about every other series discussed on tww. But since the original discussion, I haven't seen any spoilers that weren't tagged. And some of the stuff that has been tagged since then wasn't even really spoilers.

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"it happened in her past, but it happened because faraday had the experience of seeing her die and thought that he might be able to change something even though it probably wouldn't work. so maybe her memory was "refreshed" like you said it might have been, but just maybe not in time for it to change anything."

It simply may not have been enough to actually keep her away. It was a random "crazy, old man" telling her not to come back. The whole thing was like 1 minute of her childhood. If anything, it may have peaked her interest. I mean - if some guy told you to never go to NCSU when you were 6, would you actually take his advice?

Or, while it did "update" her memory - it did so for the charlotte who was already on the island. Can't change it at that point. Unlike desmond who got the new memory and Daniel working on time travel was still in the future. So he was able to go seek him out. If that memory was "updated" in say 2000 Desmond, Daniel may not have been there any longer. Or that actually may have been after he found the right frequency for the rat, so telling him the frequency wouldn't have been quite as eye opening.

1/28/2010 9:06:16 PM

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"if spoilers are going to be allowed unchecked then there needs to be a spoiler free thread in addition to this one. like a non smoking section."

it's also kinda hard to take you seriously when you never even post in the thread or contribute meaningful discussion anyway. it'd probably be good if you did to help you understand the show better, especially since you actually thought john locke died and came back to life.



[Edited on January 28, 2010 at 9:20 PM. Reason : already said by duro]

[Edited on January 28, 2010 at 9:47 PM. Reason : .]

1/28/2010 9:18:05 PM

i thought locke died and came back to life way back when thats what we were supposed to think. it wasn't until the last episode or 2 where evidence that his body was inhabited came out. Still, I don't remember saying anything about it on here so you must have me confused with somebody else. All I ever talked about was the temple and what it could be. I understand the show completely and like to read other peoples take on what has happened and what they think will happen based only on whats already happened. (not what actors have said about the future of their roles etc)

My last post was posted because i began reading this thread this morning and then saw somebody using future episode titles to support their theory. Thats very spoilerish information and I didn't read the rest of the page because I assumed it continued. Now I'm paranoid and can't read the thread because I don't want to have the show partially spoiled by boy scouts that go and look up things to try and gain insight on what will happen instead of just using what has happened on the show already.

[Edited on January 29, 2010 at 12:52 AM. Reason : just sit back and watch the show]

1/29/2010 12:50:23 AM

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"i thought locke died and came back to life way back when thats what we were supposed to think. it wasn't until the last episode or 2 where evidence that his body was inhabited came out. Still, I don't remember saying anything about it on here so you must have me confused with somebody else."

well to be fair it was the very end of "the incident," but i guess you don't remember posting this a while back in the V thread that got derailed when i responded to the post about elizabeth mitchell:

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"Since guys can get all kinds of shot, blown up on ships and many other stuff like um, dying and having a funeral then coming back to life out of the casket...1 or 2 times?, yet survive due to the island, its very easy to say somebody could survive some internal bleeding."

and yes, that was my fault, and it started a whole lot of stupid on all accounts. but anyway, that was 6 months after season 5 ended. neither christian, locke, nor anyone else has ever come back to life because their bodies were on the island. they're dead. whatever controls their bodies (probably smoke monster because of yemi and alex) is not them.

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"I understand the show completely"

well i think i just proved that you don't, or at least you didn't when that post was made because of what appeared to be a failure to comprehend an obvious scenario. don't feel bad though. no one understands this show completely.

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"and like to read other peoples take on what has happened and what they think will happen based only on whats already happened."

no you don't obviously, and no information regarding the elizabeth mitchell statement that started the fiasco in the V thread or any other mishaps have been posted since without spoiler tags as requested by people who read this thread.

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"My last post was posted because i began reading this thread this morning and then saw somebody using future episode titles to support their theory. Thats very spoilerish information and I didn't read the rest of the page because I assumed it continued."

i assume you're talking about me making this post about the name of the first episode of season 6

http://thewolfweb.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=566377&page=3#13645229

notice the fucking spoiler tags i used there. get the fuck out of here. or possibly you meant the post at the top of the page

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"obviously all the small time traveling events will change something significant, presumably with the detonation of jughead to prevent 815 from crashing, which seems likely given the white flash at the end of the episode and the title of episode 1 of season 6."

i made a reference to a title that you shouldn't have seen after i was polite enough to use spoiler tags, so you have no argument here. what you don't know can't hurt you. but you clearly looked past the spoiler tags when i initially said the name of the episode. you're an idiot.

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"Now I'm paranoid and can't read the thread because I don't want to have the show partially spoiled by boy scouts that go and look up things to try and gain insight on what will happen instead of just using what has happened on the show already."

well all we've done lately is make speculation after speculation based off of what has happened, so you're more than welcome to join in if you have any ideas. if you want to sit with your ears plugged until 9pm on feb 2, fine. there won't be anything posted in here that we'll know other than the name of that episode, which you can probably already see on your dvr. don't come into this thread bitching at people who aren't even doing anything wrong when you contribute nothing.

and yes everyone, i know. stop feeding the troll. blah blah blah. i'm bored.

[Edited on January 29, 2010 at 2:50 AM. Reason : .]

1/29/2010 2:47:39 AM

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"and yes, that was my fault, and it started a whole lot of stupid on all accounts. but anyway, that was 6 months after season 5 ended. neither christian, locke, nor anyone else has ever come back to life because their bodies were on the island. they're dead. whatever controls their bodies (probably smoke monster because of yemi and alex) is not them."

you seemed to have missed my point. is it not the same actor controling thier bodies? is the old locke actor off of the show? no. he's still on the show. also, when time travel and "reseting things" is still a possibility, anything is possible-kg.

1/29/2010 8:05:00 AM

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"you seemed to have missed my point. is it not the same actor controling thier bodies? is the old locke actor off of the show? no. he's still on the show. also, when time travel and "reseting things" is still a possibility, anything is possible-kg."

what the hell kind of a point is that? christian has been dead the whole show. just because an actor continues to portray the character doesn't mean they're alive. and yes, anything is possible with the idea that things could be reset, but that doesn't change the fact that john locke is as dead as anyone else who has died at this point in the show. that's the point you seemed to have missed months after the season 5 finale.

[Edited on January 29, 2010 at 11:06 AM. Reason : /i]

1/29/2010 11:06:15 AM

no because when an actor says "theyre done with the show" not only is their character dead, but it won't be coming back at all. epic spoil. You can't make up your own rules for a fictional show anyway.

1/29/2010 12:13:26 PM

1/29/2010 12:36:20 PM

Quote :

"no because when an actor says "theyre done with the show" not only is their character dead, but it won't be coming back at all. epic spoil. You can't make up your own rules for a fictional show anyway."

do you make up your own rules for what you give rational, intelligent thought to?

1/29/2010 1:20:04 PM

my favorite part about mambagrl is how she'll respond with a leader like "no because" as if she is refuting your statement with a reason, but instead she goes on to either make an entirely new claim or argue for support of a claim she never made.

best troll ever, hands down.

1/29/2010 1:30:56 PM

Quote :

"no because when an actor says "theyre done with the show" not only is their character dead, but it won't be coming back at all. epic spoil. You can't make up your own rules for a fictional show anyway."

haha i'm not even talking about that or making up rules

[Edited on January 29, 2010 at 2:32 PM. Reason : .]

1/29/2010 2:31:39 PM

did you or did you not just make up a rule that locke was dead for good because hes dead in the show now in an attempt to say i didn't understand the show?

you tried to use that to justify the fact that you spoiled the show by saying a certain actress was about to leave just because she could have died in the show.

even if your rule was accurate it wouldn't make up for the fact that once a character dies doesn't mean their actor goes away as we've seen with many including the main friggin characters in the show.

1/29/2010 3:18:26 PM

Ignoring mambagirl begins here

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1/29/2010 3:42:45 PM

dammit

[Edited on January 29, 2010 at 3:53 PM. Reason : ernie]

1/29/2010 3:51:28 PM

First 4 minutes from premiere

http://www.comingsoon.net/news/tvnews.php?id=62771

1/29/2010 4:51:46 PM

can't wait to see what happens after those 4 minutes...

1/29/2010 6:41:17 PM

uuuuuugggggggggghhhhhhhhhh 2 more days

1/31/2010 8:09:45 PM

i like this show and all but damn im tired of hearing about it

zero has happened since juliet hit the bomb with a rock

(or did she slam the bomb on a rock)

[Edited on January 31, 2010 at 8:16 PM. Reason : ]

1/31/2010 8:15:46 PM

so we shouldn't talk about anything between seasons even though there are a million unanswered questions

and she hit the bomb with the rock

1/31/2010 8:22:15 PM

do what you want, im just tired of "WE HAVE TO GO BACK" at the end of commercials that I keep seeing

1/31/2010 8:24:44 PM

[Edited on January 31, 2010 at 8:28 PM. Reason : .]

1/31/2010 8:28:32 PM

its tomorrow. i'm pretty excited.

also Woodfoot never paid up on our bet.

if you're out there Woodfoot...poor form.

2/1/2010 1:35:59 PM

i wish i could've spent last may until today in an induced coma. it would've made the wait a lot easier.

2/1/2010 2:15:42 PM

who all knows that locke wasn't really locke? just richard alpert and the "others" right?

ben doesn't know either, since he was with locke when locke persuaded him to kill jacob

2/1/2010 10:02:52 PM

i think ben is the only one in the dark at this point, but richard and the others didn't know either until ilana and her people dumped locke's body out of the box

2/1/2010 11:03:01 PM

Free popcorn at the Lost Season 6 premiere. Doors open at 7:30 at the Campus Cinema.

http://ncsu.edu/cinema

2/1/2010 11:22:15 PM

so i was watching "he's our you" from season 5 the other day and noticed young ben gives sayid a book called "a separate reality." i'm not gonna take it as a coincidence.

2/2/2010 4:26:56 AM

This show is basically a collage of coincidences, but nice try and thanks for playing.

2/2/2010 6:16:36 AM