Greinke started pretty hot last year but not this good

I'm sure people have started seasons with that many wins, just not that insane ERA

[Edited on June 6, 2010 at 11:20 PM. Reason : fuck no Win for Franklin, looks like I'll have to settle for a 9-4 win this week]

6/6/2010 11:19:58 PM

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"Has anyone ever started a season with his numbers"

i don't know, but i just think it's a little premature to say this could be the best season ever for a pitcher the first week of june over nolan ryan's 1972 season

6/6/2010 11:20:57 PM

Fernandomania in 1981

8-0 start with 5 CG shutouts and a 0.51 ERA

6/6/2010 11:22:11 PM

After his 12th start (like Ubaldo), Valenzuela was 9-2, 1.90 ERA

[Edited on June 6, 2010 at 11:26 PM. Reason : 12]

6/6/2010 11:25:14 PM

Greinke was 8-2 with a 1.72 ERA last year after 12 starts...started off 6-0 with a 0.40 ERA!

6/6/2010 11:26:42 PM

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"• Jimenez's 0.93 ERA through 12 starts is the fourth best in major league history. "

6/6/2010 11:28:42 PM

Yeah, but those were probably dead ball dudes

6/6/2010 11:33:04 PM

yeah, his is the lowest in 12 starts in 65 years

[Edited on June 6, 2010 at 11:36 PM. Reason : starts]

6/6/2010 11:36:33 PM

Anyone else watching the draft tonight?

I'm hoping the Mets are able to grab Zack Cox from Arkansas. Very much hoping they don't draft Harvey from UNC or the O'Connor kid who would be a "safe" reach and not overslot...

6/7/2010 11:24:15 AM

They've been terrible all year, so he is flying under the radar.... but Carlos Silva is now 8-0 with a 2.93 era for the Cubbies.

6/7/2010 5:39:15 PM

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"but Carlos Silva is now 8-0 with a 2.93 era for the Cubbies."

definitely didn't see that one coming. i was laughing at my friend who's a cubs fan after they got him from the mariners.

6/7/2010 6:02:31 PM

6/7/2010 7:04:40 PM

Quote :

"Very much hoping they don't draft Harvey from UNC"

6/7/2010 7:44:59 PM

lol @ astros

delino deshields jr

6/7/2010 7:53:04 PM

yeah i remember seeing his name in a mock

6/7/2010 7:55:00 PM

^ you didn't see it anywhere near where he was drafted

Quote :

"Where is Delino DeShields Jr. projected to go right now? Keith Law has him at No. 19 to the Astros. Andy Seiler does not have him in the first round. Deep Leagues has him at No. 31 to the Rays. Jonathan Mayo has him at No. 19 to the Astros. Perfect Game USA has him at No. 27 to the Phillies. Baseball America has him at No. 19 to the Astros. Frankie Piliere does not have him in the first round. Kevin Goldstein does not have him in the first round. John Sickels does not have him in the first round."

i guess a bunch of people figured he'd go to the astros anyway, but they passed up on better talent to take him in the top 10. god the astros' farm system is an absolute disgrace

[Edited on June 7, 2010 at 7:57 PM. Reason : .]

6/7/2010 7:56:10 PM

I think I saw him going 17 to the Rays

I just remember being like "oh shit Delino DeShields has a kid"

6/7/2010 7:58:47 PM

This is a weak class and the MLB draft is always a crapshoot

Not a big deal to take a guy earlier in the same round that he was slotted

6/7/2010 8:00:01 PM

^ well considering their farm system is in shambles, the fact that ed wade is an incompetent GM, and the fact that the kid was slotted to either go mid-late first round or later, i think it was a dumb first pick.

6/7/2010 8:06:24 PM

I don't disagree with any of those points

I just don't get all Jets fan bent out of shape over MLB draft picks

6/7/2010 8:16:54 PM

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"I just don't get all Jets fan bent out of shape over MLB draft picks"

what???

also lol @ kenny williams drafting an obvious reliever assuming the kid's arm doesn't fall off and run away with that pitching motion.

6/7/2010 8:21:38 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZxNeFLuY98

Admittedly, those were all terrible picks

6/7/2010 8:24:42 PM

fuck me the orioles only have 1 pick in the first 2 rounds

6/7/2010 8:59:33 PM

According to the NYC beat writers, Harvey is a lot like Pelfrey, so maybe I shouldn't hang myself yet...

[Edited on June 7, 2010 at 9:35 PM. Reason : heavy sinker]

6/7/2010 9:35:13 PM

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"fuck me the orioles"

that's really all you have to post

6/7/2010 11:03:41 PM

Catch the game at the local theater!

6/7/2010 11:58:04 PM

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"that's really all you have to post"

i know

6/8/2010 12:40:47 AM

It's D-Day for Strasburg. Pumped to see him throw tonight -- actually canceling plans to watch it.

6/8/2010 9:14:05 AM

mike stanton could go 4/4 with 4 homers tonight, and his debut will still be overshadowed by strasburg

6/8/2010 9:59:19 AM

As a Braves fan, I'm kind of torn on what I want out of Strasburg. Overpowering pitchers are always fun to watch, but the East is already a close enough race as is. Then again, I figure it's Washington, how much better can they be with the addition of one pitcher. It's funny to think, though, that as a member of the Nationals, tonight may be the biggest stage he ever pitches on.

6/8/2010 11:08:58 AM

http://espn.go.com/mlb/notebook/_/page/bbtn100607/baseball-tonight-clubhouse

this article is absolutely retarded and is one of the many reasons why i stopped reading/watching anything about baseball that comes from ESPN. so far the people at MLB network have proven themselves to be slightly less stupid and annoying, but we'll see how long that lasts.

6/8/2010 11:43:54 AM

^
Do you disagree regarding the NL East's potential?

6/8/2010 11:46:41 AM

I kind of hope Strasburg sucks ass seeing that the Braves will be facing him 4-5 times a year. Plus with Nationals starting to build a strong nucleus, they could be legit in a 2-3 years if Strasburg delivers as expected.

6/8/2010 11:56:29 AM

I don't see anything wrong with that ESPN article other than it's sort of a boring fluff piece

And MLBN is killing ESPN

[Edited on June 8, 2010 at 12:10 PM. Reason : ]

6/8/2010 12:10:23 PM

Quote :

"Do you disagree regarding the NL East's potential?"

there is certainly a lot of potential in the NL east, but i just don't see it surpassing the AL east in the near future like ravech does. a lot of what ravech says is just stupid logic or based on potential, and you can't speak in absolutes that way. ok cool. no team in the NL east is under .400. the first place braves would be tied for 4th in the AL east right now. and if you want to talk about prospects, the yankees, rays and red sox were all ranked at the top of fangraphs' farm system rankings this year, and the blue jays and orioles are both in much better shape than they were in years past. hell, a lot of people expected the o's to play .500 ball or better this year because they saw the potential with all the young talent. i don't need to address that any further. and he also said the marlins will bring in more revenue and sign bigger names once they move into a new stadium. ask the pirates how well that worked for them a few years ago, and let's see where the twins are at in the next few years as well as the A's whenever they get their new place.

i really just hope the article was a puff piece

6/8/2010 12:18:09 PM

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"and if you want to talk about prospects, the yankees, rays and red sox were all ranked at the top of fangraphs' farm system rankings this year"

How exactly do they rank?

The Yankees have a consensus bottom five system right now according to Keith Law on ESPN, Baseball Prospectus and Baseball America. Montero is the ONLY Top 100 prospect they have and he is basically going to be a DH.

6/8/2010 12:54:02 PM

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"let's see where the twins are at in the next few years"

Also with the Twins, we can see what can be gained by having a top 5 farm system for a decade or more: not much.

The NL East is definitely going to be very good for the next few years. I don't know if they'll knock off the AL East, but they'll definitely give them a good run. The Mets have some really good young pieces and can presumably use all that money to bring in what they need to get back on top. The Phillies are going to fade quickly as their lineup ages, and their staff still sucks, but they're going to be on top for a few more years. Depending on who replaces Bobby, the Braves are built to be be in contention for the next decade. Comparing the Nats to the Pirates is retarded; they're in a much, much better market, they aren't squandering draft picks, and they have owners that are willing to pay to win. And the Marlins, well, they always field a ridiculously tough team that costs nothing.

Top to bottom, it's a really great division. It's not the NL West has been for 6-7 years where you just have a bunch of mediocre teams bunched together. I can easily see all five clubs being playoff ready in 4-5 years.

6/8/2010 1:10:01 PM

well after going back and looking over the way they ranked the teams, it was actually based mostly on the team's ability to win now, win in the future, and the health of the organization overall, so i guess it's not just an evaluation of the current state of the farm system. still, the teams at the top wouldn't be there if they weren't strong in that respect. here's how it turned out:

#1 – New York Yankees
#2 – Boston Red Sox
#3 – Tampa Bay Rays
#4 – Texas Rangers
#5 – Minnesota Twins
#6 – Seattle Mariners
#7 – Colorado Rockies
#8 – Atlanta Braves
#9 – Philadelphia Phillies
#10 – St. Louis Cardinals
#11 – Anaheim Angels
#12 – Milwaukee Brewers
#13 – Cleveland Indians
#14 – Los Angeles Dodgers
#15 – New York Mets
#16 – Arizona Diamondbacks
#17 – Baltimore Orioles
#18 – Chicago Cubs
#19 – Oakland Athletics
#20 – Cincinnati Reds
#21 – Detroit Tigers
#22 – Florida Marlins
#23 – San Francisco Giants
#24 – Chicago White Sox
#25 – Pittsburgh Pirates
#26 – Toronto Blue Jays
#27 – San Diego Padres
#28 – Washington Nationals
#29 – Kansas City Royals
#30 – Houston Astros

the blue jays were lower than i remembered. the writer did acknowledge the fact that the jays and the o's would both be ranked higher if they were in different divisions, but i guess he's just trying to be as objective as possible. here's the link if anyone cares to read in more detail

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/organizational-rankings-recap/

Quote :

"Comparing the Nats to the Pirates is retarded; they're in a much, much better market, they aren't squandering draft picks, and they have owners that are willing to pay to win."

well, i wasn't comparing the nats to the pirates. i was pointing out the fact that this statement

Quote :

"Most importantly, the Marlins will be in a new ballpark in 2012, which translates into more revenue, which in baseball terms means better players and bigger names."

is pretty inaccurate and used teams like the pirates as an example. by his logic, the pirates should have been able to spend more money and acquire high profile FAs because of a new stadium. despite the fact that it's widely regarded as one of the best (if not THE best) stadiums in baseball, things just don't work that way.

6/8/2010 1:38:16 PM

Never mind the fact that the Miami metro area is twice the size of the Pittsburgh metro area and that the Marlins are actually going to be competitive when their park opens.

6/8/2010 1:47:17 PM

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"Never mind the fact that the Miami metro area is twice the size of the Pittsburgh metro area and that the Marlins are actually going to be competitive when their park opens."

so with a market that big and with some of the talent they have, why don't they draw now? because of a shitty stadium? i don't buy that. and there's always a honeymoon phase when a new park opens where attendance always starts out high but then tends to taper off. i mean, i guess a competitive team will entice more fans to see more games at a new stadium, but it's not like they'll sell out every game for 3 seasons straight.

and i can't remember completely, but i think there was a chapter in baseball between the numbers that concluded that stadium revenues don't necessarily translate into increased money to spend on free agents. i'd have to go back and look though, and i won't have time for that until later.

[Edited on June 8, 2010 at 1:54 PM. Reason : bbtn]

6/8/2010 1:51:51 PM

during one of the Braves' games the commentators were talking about how its so hot in the summer people dont want to sit through that shit. i guess the new one has a retractable roof for that purpose.

6/8/2010 3:56:33 PM

^ that doesn't explain shitty attendance at night games. and if you pay close attention to a lot of announcers during games, you'll find yourself saying, "wait....what?" somewhat frequently.

[Edited on June 8, 2010 at 4:28 PM. Reason : announcers]

6/8/2010 4:25:00 PM

another black eye for phils fans
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzKwtU2gsZ8

6/8/2010 6:08:51 PM

I bet he throws a shutout on his first pitch!

6/8/2010 6:50:11 PM

REALLY? we get Mets/Padres instead of 2 teams closer in Pit/Was?

http://www.ATDHE.net i guess here i come

6/8/2010 7:02:26 PM

jesus

3 straight blow bys after getting down 3-0

[Edited on June 8, 2010 at 7:20 PM. Reason : .]

6/8/2010 7:20:12 PM

4 K's through 2 innings

6/8/2010 7:26:11 PM

Quote :

"REALLY? we get Mets/Padres instead of 2 teams closer in Pit/Was?"

it's because of the whole thing between MASN and time warner cable. TWC refuses to carry MASN down here, but all orioles and nats games are still blacked out on the major networks because we're within MASN's territory. you can't even get those games on MLB.tv. if you have satellite it isn't an issue though.

6/8/2010 7:35:24 PM

good thing i normally dont care about the nationals or orioles

6/8/2010 7:41:57 PM

yeah, but it still kinda sucks if there's a team you'd actually want to watch because their games are blacked out whenever they play the nats or o's

6/8/2010 7:57:55 PM