i don't care who you are, if you're in the nosebleeds and no one else is making noise, you don't make any fuckin noise either

just because you like to give the effort, doesnt mean they actually hear you on the court

12/16/2010 10:12:18 PM

Quote :

"did you even watch the game? he came back in like 5 mins. later and was killing it on defense. quit yer bitching."

HE LEFT THE GAME AND NEVER CAME BACK IN? PAINTER EVEN SHOT HIS FREE THROWS. You really are a dumbfuck aren't you?
Even Sendek stated that moving to the RBC was going to fuck up state basketball.

^^Better than a knee injury but he is one of our more consistent players. When he went down you could see Lowe almost shit a brick.

[Edited on December 16, 2010 at 10:14 PM. Reason : ^Why even go to the game then?]

12/16/2010 10:14:22 PM

The only thing about tonight is... We won without our best player.

The only question from tonight should be... Is Zo ok?

Arizona will be a good game on Sunday. This is the kind of game that we should move to Reynolds, not games against Whogivesafuck State but decent OOC games like Zona.

Go Pack!

[Edited on December 16, 2010 at 10:19 PM. Reason : 1]

12/16/2010 10:19:21 PM

That would be badass! I wonder if our team ever gets to hold practices in the RBC. It seems like we don't shoot very well in that arena which is inexcusable considering it is our home court. Did anyone hear why Tracy didn't get any time on the court. I was really hoping he would get a couple minutes to shake of rust and get back into it.

[Edited on December 16, 2010 at 10:24 PM. Reason : asdfasdf]

12/16/2010 10:22:58 PM

Team looked really good in the 2nd half and awful in the first. I feel like Tracy wouldve helped a lot tonight also because we get absolutley no production from our post without him in there. Also it wasn't the RBC that caused a poor atmosphere it was because it was the last day of exams, bad weather and Youngstown State. I love Reynolds too, but the RBC can be a great venue if we have a good team.

12/16/2010 10:24:01 PM

letters to yow

[Edited on December 16, 2010 at 10:26 PM. Reason : about having a decent ooc @ reynolds, i mean]

12/16/2010 10:25:24 PM

You know state was moving to the ESA before the Canes even entered the equation.

12/16/2010 10:25:39 PM

^^^^ I don't know what you're getting at, but most elite programs have completely separate practice complexes from where they play games. It's not THAT much different unless you practice at the local YMCA and then play in a dome.

[Edited on December 16, 2010 at 10:26 PM. Reason : x]

12/16/2010 10:26:45 PM

I swear to god, if I see another player swat the ball out of Howell's hands in the post... I am going to glue him to something.

12/16/2010 10:27:03 PM

we outscored them 46-16 in the 2nd... after being outpointed 34-21 in the 1st.

And the women's team beat Presbyterian 74-27!

12/16/2010 10:33:46 PM

the problem with having a decent OOC game in reynolds, is that they can't use that decent OOC game to sell season tickets

all about the money.

12/16/2010 10:34:09 PM

UNLESS YOU CHARGE MORE.

12/16/2010 11:09:42 PM

Quote :

"Did anyone hear why Tracy didn't get any time on the court. I was really hoping he would get a couple minutes to shake of rust and get back into it. "

He wasn't even dressed out for the game. I think they probably decided to hold him out as long as possible.

12/16/2010 11:12:17 PM

Just saw this: http://blogs.fayobserver.com/accbasketball/December-2010/Tracy-Smith-s-status-in-doubt-for-Arizona-game

12/16/2010 11:17:26 PM

I would kill to have a good OOC game in Reynolds to see it rocking at full cqpacity, but until we start selling out a lot more at the RBC I don't see them sacrificing that type of revenue by having one at Reynolds vs the RBC. Our fans have been awesome for how terrible we've been lately, but not enough to sacrifice money.

12/16/2010 11:20:39 PM

RBC center is a great venue. Top programs all wish they have this venue(if they don't have it already, but it's rare). Blame the poor performance of the team on RBC is just a lame excuse. We beat Duke in RBC last year, I was there, it was great(CJL, Ryan and Brown were all there, I believe it works in favor of us in CJ's decision making process). I guess some people who post here (and saying that RBC is bad for the Pack) don't really go to the games or just being quiet in the game. Bring whatever you can to help the team, post negative things here without even showing up for the game doesn't do any good.

Go Pack!

12/17/2010 12:06:39 AM

Oh boy

12/17/2010 1:42:08 AM

you motherfuckers that think moving a game like this back to Reynolds would instantly make the crowd the best crowd in the NCAA are delusional. the crowd is gonna respond to how the team is playing, and the team played like absolute shit until the 2nd half. when the team did start playing well there was a decent atmosphere given the shit opponent.

the RBC atmosphere has the potential to be the best atmosphere in college basketball. the team just has to play up to that level.

[Edited on December 17, 2010 at 1:51 AM. Reason : read it.]

[Edited on December 17, 2010 at 1:54 AM. Reason : also scorebox should be there for all future GPAA broadcasts.]

12/17/2010 1:50:07 AM

Wasn't the RBC Center at one point measured as the loudest arena in North America or USA when the Canes won the Stanley Cup? Pretty sure it was something to that effect. The arena is NOT the problem with anything.

[Edited on December 17, 2010 at 2:06 AM. Reason : the fans in it might be another story...]

12/17/2010 2:06:09 AM

it is. definitely read that article i linked

12/17/2010 2:08:34 AM

i think the rbc will be fine once we start winning. It was never great when Herb was there but thats because the basketball was so boring.

Obviously its not going to match Reynolds in terms of atmosphere and being an intimidating place to play.

The main thing about the RBC is it makes us legitimate and our level of recruiting has been twice as good since we got it. It's not a bad thing having one of the largest and nicest facilities in the entire nation.

12/17/2010 2:09:53 AM

^^I read it.

I enjoyed the collection and accounting of videos and pictures. But all that writing on the front and back ends was painful to get through. It was written like a newscaster...except newscasters are only supposed talk for like thirty seconds before moving on to the next story...this ruffles guy gave us a full-on five minutes of bland reporter talk.

He needs to spice it up if he wants to go on for so long.

Also, why did Alex Rodriguez buy a memorial brick?

12/17/2010 3:55:46 AM

at least Arizona had a similar hiccup to ours:
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/boxscore?gid=201012160017

12/17/2010 7:21:33 AM

Quote :

"RBC center is a great venue. Top programs all wish they have this venue(if they don't have it already, but it's rare). "

Since you mentioned Duke I am pretty sure there is no way in hell they would trade!

Quote :

" Wasn't the RBC Center at one point measured as the loudest arena in North America or USA when the Canes won the Stanley Cup? "

Loudest HOCKEY arena is the only thing I have heard referenced.

The real feelings on the RBC center.
http://www.newsobserver.com/2009/12/08/230541/rbc-tough-to-fill.html

^At least we had a good half it looks like Az just barely pulled it out. They also outrebounded badly which is a good sign for us.

12/17/2010 7:48:42 AM

You are a stupid fuck.

We would have moved into the ESA anyway if the Canes stayed in Hartford.

Yes, the arena is our problem.

[Edited on December 17, 2010 at 8:08 AM. Reason : and it wasn't just the loudest hockey arena, it was the loudest indoor arena.]

12/17/2010 8:06:59 AM

I want my basketball arena to be focused around basketball. I don't want it to feel like a hockey arena which part times as a basketball court. In the rafters I want to see basketball shit I don't want to see hockey shit. Hell the team most likely can't even practice on their home court. How fucked is that?

[Edited on December 17, 2010 at 8:15 AM. Reason : ^ I don't care if we would have moved anyway It was a DUMB move regardless. ]

12/17/2010 8:14:41 AM

Because we were doing so well in Reynolds before we moved.

Dude, we suck, and have for a long ass time. It doesn't matter where we play. At least the RBC has a recruiting advantage.

I understand your angle, but Reynolds isn't Cameron, and maybe it used to be better, but that's gone now.

[Edited on December 17, 2010 at 8:40 AM. Reason : also like people said most teams practice elsewhere than their home court. That's why we have Dail.]

[Edited on December 17, 2010 at 8:45 AM. Reason : Fuck basketball.]

12/17/2010 8:39:44 AM

As good as Duke plays right now, the only thing I look down upon them is their freaking small stadium. They are good not because of the high school gym, it's because of K, and he is a living legend.

Do you see many Duke fans in their football stadium(yeah for the Alabama game)?

12/17/2010 9:31:22 AM

Quote :

"you motherfuckers that think moving a game like this back to Reynolds would instantly make the crowd the best crowd in the NCAA are delusional."

i just think it would be cool to have a good game in Reynolds, that's all. Motherfucker.

12/17/2010 9:55:50 AM

I enjoy the games at Reynolds as well as in RBC. It gives you different feelings. But most importantly I enjoy every game we win no matter where we play.

I was at the game yesterday, to be honest, I think our student section is surprisingly good given the weather/end of semester/slow start by the team.

Go Pack!

12/17/2010 10:09:55 AM

Wow was that your first home game because the student section was pathetic. They need to fucking get off their asses and make some noise. We would go on a run and the opposing coach would call a timeout and the students behind his bench would sit down and try not to disturb his timeout.

12/17/2010 10:14:47 AM

No not my first home game. I understand what you are saying but do you see any team in the ACC has a better crowd than us given their records being worse than ours(well, we don't give them a chance 'cause we are already the dead last)?

Go to the game, be loud, enjoy it while you can. I'm done with this crowd argument.

[Edited on December 17, 2010 at 10:23 AM. Reason : asdf]

12/17/2010 10:21:59 AM

It was Youngstown. It's Christmas Break. It was nasty outside. Few teams in the country would have had a better student showing given the circumstances. Sheesh.

12/17/2010 10:25:28 AM

Quote :

"No not my first home game. I understand what you are saying but do you see any team in the ACC has a better crowd than us given their records being worse than ours(well, we don't give them a chance 'cause we are already the dead last)?"

Umm dead last? How do you figure that? We are about middle of the road in the ACC right now...
I am not all that upset as to the numbers so far. Our home attendance has been about what I would expect for playing no one at home. I was more unimpressed with the students, you guys suck. When you get behind the opposing bench you fuck with the coach, you make noise during their timeouts, you give the team a home court advantage. When I was a student and privileged enough to get tickets behind the bench I didn't sit there quietly picking my nose during timeouts.

12/17/2010 10:33:31 AM

And all of those students are right here on TWW reading everything you write. You tell 'em adder.

[Edited on December 17, 2010 at 10:41 AM. Reason : ]

12/17/2010 10:40:49 AM

Hopefully wolffart is he is the one defending them.
Even the team called out the fans in the post game comments.

[Edited on December 17, 2010 at 10:43 AM. Reason : asdfad]

12/17/2010 10:41:45 AM

I hope the team called out the fans for booing, not for how loud they were. It was hard to be loud when we were down 20-3 to the mighty Penguins of Youngstown State.

12/17/2010 10:52:46 AM

We were in Reynolds my first 3 years in school (yeah, i'm old) - and even though we sucked, the stadium would be filled and loud (as long as we weren't getting whooped). Obviously the fact that there are ~7K less seats in Reynolds made it easier to fill, but another factor is that it's on campus - regardless of weather conditions, exams, etc, students consistently attended all games, and students dictate the atmosphere. I dunno, I liked RBC the first season because it was new and shiny, etc, but when I've been back for some OOC games since it just feels dead. Also doesn't help that students are farther from the court in RBC, but that's a different issue.

That being said, of course if we turn into a consistent winner, we'll fill the RBC and it will be a fantastic atmosphere. We played a ranked Maryland team there our first year and it was as loud as Reynolds ever was. But who knows when/if we'll field a top program to promote that type of environment every game? In the meantime, I would fully support playing more OOC games in Reynolds, and I think all NCSU fans (students, alums, hell, even the players) would enjoy that. As far as $$ is concerned - we could always charge a few more bucks for tickets there to make up for any shortfall in volume. Duke has sustained a lucrative basketball program without a 19K seat arena (as have others!), a few additional games in a smaller stadium won't have a detrimental impact on our overall athletics revenue.

Sorry for the long post, just my two cents...

12/17/2010 10:56:28 AM

I think Sid would make a good rec league coach. He's good at telling guys to hustle and giving out high fives.

12/17/2010 11:49:12 AM

Duke is number 1 in the country and had empty seats in their student section the other night.

Very few teams are going to fill their arena game in and game out, especially a team like us that hasn't won shit recently.

The point is you can't say the RBC has no atmosphere -- when the team is playing great and playing a huge opponent, it can be incredibly hard to play. the problem is the team... they've never been really good enough to see this more than once or twice a year.

Basically after every basket made in this game the arena starts rocking. it was amazingly loud that night.

12/17/2010 12:00:29 PM

dont forget that the majority of seats that were actually for sale at the box office were 15 bucks for top level or directly behind the basket ...

I would barely consider coming to a game like this (sitting in the 3rd level) if the game was free ... let alone pay money for it.


NCSU needs a better ticketing system ... one that would allow LTR holders to "give back" their seats last minute (or even resale), and have those seats allocated for re-sale so that fans can show up and buy GOOD SEATS at locations where they would traditionally need LTR/Season tickets. Fans should be able to pick up those tickets at the door, or have their smartphone scanned ... so that the ticketing process is easier to transfer from one fan to another without the need for exchange/ticket handoff.

12/17/2010 12:08:13 PM

Quote :

" In 18 home games last season, the average draw was 13,436, compared with 16,535 for the first season."

But attendance has gone up since Lowe was hired right adder?

The RBC is tough to fill because we haven't fielded a really good team since the damn thing was built.

Quote :

"Loudest HOCKEY arena is the only thing I have heard referenced. "

So its only the loudest pro hockey arena? Nice argument.

[Edited on December 17, 2010 at 12:40 PM. Reason : We're not going back to Reynolds anytime soon so why argue it?]

12/17/2010 12:31:17 PM

Quote :

"But attendance has gone up since Lowe was hired right adder? "

Ticket sales has increased since last year that is the only thing we were debating please keep that straight in your head. Again the numbers in attendance weren't what was upsetting it was the students unwillingness to make any noise.

12/17/2010 12:40:55 PM

I won't be happy until the RBC Center looks like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5LodH9-N6w
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XcwUUnoIRE&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3Ejry9kRBk&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9z3NvAPtJk&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2xrMDGZVcs&feature=related

12/17/2010 12:44:45 PM

Quote :

"Again the numbers in attendance weren't what was upsetting it was the students unwillingness to make any noise."

Wasn't at the game...but when you were bitching about them not making noise??

Because there aren't any students in the country that will make noise when their team is down 15 points to Youngstown State at home. Not even the fucking Cameron Crazies. You might think that they would still be "crazy"...but they are almost NEVER put in a position like that. They might get beat by an ACC team by 8 or 9 points, but they never go down double digits to a shitty team at home.

Maybe they should have been louder in the 2nd half when the team was finally playing well?? I don't know, I wasn't there. But if you're bitching about their behavior in the first half, then you just need to gtfo with that shit. Sometimes the team needs the fans to uplift them...but most of the time the team needs to give the fans something to cheer about.

12/17/2010 12:45:18 PM

Even still numbers have went down all three home games: 15450, 10327, 9071. *5178 for Reynolds. What do you expect from fans when we start out losing 20-3 to a shit team?

^LOL too bad A&T is still terrible.

12/17/2010 12:48:11 PM

I've also thought maybe we should bring back the "Red Terror" moniker and adopt the habits of Red Star Belgrade.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IU0Q3pce5FE

Talk about crazy fans. You might have thought that it was bad chanting "STD" at Rashad McCants, but at least our cheering section didn't become an active recruiter for a genocidal civil war.

[Edited on December 17, 2010 at 12:49 PM. Reason : /]

12/17/2010 12:48:39 PM

^I agree with this post

12/17/2010 12:55:02 PM

that first half was epic good compared to the 12 pt first half against St John's when Hodge was still here. went to MSG to watch the game and left more depressed than i have ever been after an ncsu game.

12/17/2010 1:22:49 PM

Quote :

"Maybe they should have been louder in the 2nd half when the team was finally playing well?? I don't know, I wasn't there. But if you're bitching about their behavior in the first half, then you just need to gtfo with that shit. Sometimes the team needs the fans to uplift them...but most of the time the team needs to give the fans something to cheer about."

We would go on runs in the second half and the YS coach would call a timeout and the fucking students would sit down and go completely silent. It was very very lame. I can understand being pissed and shell shocked in the first half but there was plenty in the second half for the fans to get excited/make noise about and they responded like they were in a fucking church or something. I daresay they looked eerily similar to the whine and cheese crowd down the road from us.

[Edited on December 17, 2010 at 1:36 PM. Reason : asdf]

12/17/2010 1:36:11 PM