^I've heard and seen this done before. Don't know if it's a code or not, but most apartments I've been in have had metal door frames. You can have the same installed in your home.

I'm not denying that it can happen, but if it's that big of a concern, then the objective should be to do what you can to stop the intruder from entering your home int he first place.

12/9/2011 9:52:18 AM

you're willing to use deadly force after hearing a sound downstairs and seeing the doorknob jiggle?

you obviously don't have a family or any friends

I hope you accidentally kill someone you love

gun nut home defense fantasies itt

[Edited on December 9, 2011 at 10:14 AM. Reason : f]

12/9/2011 10:12:15 AM

^Someone who doesn't own a home and have a family ITT. It's not a knock on you, but like I said in the last page, everyone's situation is different.

In my situation, I own my own home and the only other person with a key is my wife who sleeps beside me at night. If there is another person in the house, they did not come in because they were invited or had a right to be in there. If they come to my bedroom, they aren't just a kindly old traveler looking for directions to the local mission. Obviously if I have company or if my wife is working late and I head to bed, I don't whip out a sub-machine gun and wait for the door to open.

Oh and...

Quote :

" HOPE. YOU. ACCIDENTALLY. KILL. SOMEONE. YOU. LOVE."

"You gun nuts need to stop using guns because you might kill someone! I don't want guns to kill someone! I sure hope someone you love dies!"

12/9/2011 10:30:50 AM

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"1) Buck shot - First sign of the knob shaking, one round is going through the door. Buck shot probably wouldn't go through the door (they are solid wood doors... this isn't Hollywood), but it would probably throw a little wood on the other side and let the intruder know it's a bad place to be. "

Are you fucking retarded?

You don't shoot at jiggling doorknobs unless you know for 100% sure that it's an intruder.

...and I guarantee you that buckshot will go right through a wooden door.

Finally, I don't think you need slugs. I think you grossly underestimate some 0 or 00 buck. Or hell, even #1.


Also, whoever mentioned birdshot for home defense...that's even dumber.

12/9/2011 10:49:18 AM

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"...and I guarantee you that buckshot will go right through a wooden door."

It definitely will. Even birdshot is going to go through most wooden doors.

12/9/2011 10:50:27 AM

^Most modern wooden doors, yes I completely agree. I don't have a "modern home" by any stretch of the imagination.

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"You don't shoot at jiggling doorknobs unless you know for 100% sure that it's an intruder"

I guess you missed this...

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"I own my own home and the only other person with a key is my wife who sleeps beside me at night. If there is another person in the house, they did not come in because they were invited or had a right to be in there. If they come to my bedroom, they aren't just a kindly old traveler looking for directions to the local mission. Obviously if I have company or if my wife is working late and I head to bed, I don't whip out a sub-machine gun and wait for the door to open."

If it's 2AM and my wife is still in bed but my bedroom door knob is jiggling, I can promise you it's someone not invited.

12/9/2011 11:40:26 AM

guns aren't the problem

YOU are the problem

holy shit

12/9/2011 12:34:21 PM

Quote :

"BLACKSBURG, VA. — State police say the gunman who killed himself at Virginia Tech acted alone in the slaying of a campus police officer. Police spokeswoman Corinne Geller says the gunman ran from the scene and changed clothes before killing himself in a parking lot a half-mile away. Geller says the gunman, whose identity has not been released, was later found by an officer in the campus parking lot. The man shot and killed himself. Geller said at a Friday news conference that the gunman put his clothes in a backpack and left it behind at a greenhouse on campus. Geller says investigators are still trying to find out why the gunman ambushed the officer, Deriek W. Crouse."

12/9/2011 1:07:02 PM

settledown, settledown! I'm only a problem if you enter my home at night while I'm sleeping and try to get into the bedroom. There is an easy solution to not getting shot by me... don't break into my house.

Your words, not mine...

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"HOPE. YOU. ACCIDENTALLY. KILL. SOMEONE. YOU. LOVE."

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"Police spokeswoman Corinne Geller says the gunman ran from the scene and changed clothes before killing himself in a parking lot a half-mile away. "

He obviously thought about trying to get away with it (changing clothes), but then he kills himself.... buyer's remorse?

12/9/2011 1:08:03 PM

the day before the shooting the same dude carjacked someone just up the road in Radford

that person is probably thankful to be alive

^ you'll rot in jail thinking about the innocent person you sent to an early grave

[Edited on December 9, 2011 at 1:10 PM. Reason : t]

12/9/2011 1:09:15 PM

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"^ you'll rot in jail thinking about the innocent person you sent to an early grave"

Right. The 'innocent' person that broke into my house at 2am and tried entering my bedroom where my wife and I were. Yeah, I'm gunna get sent to jail for that. Might want to check your local gun laws before you say things like this.

Anti-gun fantasies ITT.

12/9/2011 1:15:19 PM

[Edited on December 9, 2011 at 1:17 PM. Reason : size]

12/9/2011 1:16:47 PM

It may not be armed, but that doesn't rule out booby traps

12/9/2011 1:18:58 PM

That picture is NOT Photoshopped!

12/9/2011 1:20:03 PM

^^Home alone style?

[Edited on December 9, 2011 at 1:22 PM. Reason : ^Can you tell by the pixels?]

12/9/2011 1:22:22 PM

^^^HaHa... I've seen something similar to that.

I'm all for preventing the need to ever use deadly force, but at night in your own home, very few courts would ever seen a scenario where you are "require to retreat". Part of the reason why I don't carry in public is because the legal and moral aspect of using deadly force on ANYONE when you have the ability to retreat is.... sketchy. I don't know about NC, but in VA you can't just say "your back was up against a wall", so you shot a guy. That'll get you an 'assault with a deadly weapon' charge. If you're in your home, you are assumed to be in an area where you can't retreat, but you still have to give the intruder every chance to exit (which I mentioned previously, as well).

Making your home look like a "hard target" is the easiest way to keep someone from entering your residence. wolfpackgrrr might be onto something with the booby traps... that would probably keep you from being a 'soft target'. HaHa.

12/9/2011 1:26:59 PM

All that sign says is "Wait until I leave, then steal my guns."

12/9/2011 3:06:46 PM

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"Home alone style?"

Exactly

12/9/2011 3:09:10 PM

^^I've always thought almost the exact same thing about people who hide guns all over their house. They're thinking "Great! I'll be able to defend myself no matter where I am in my home!"

So a thief breaks into your home in the middle of the night and instantly starts doing what.... looking for things to steal. If you have guns all over your house, they're thinking "Great! I'll be able to defend myself no matter where the home owner is in their home!"

12/9/2011 3:12:41 PM

I don't know shit about guns

But gun safe, dude

12/9/2011 3:19:40 PM

Use a moison nagant. WWII sniper rifle. Amazing gun.

12/9/2011 3:42:34 PM

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"If it's 2AM and my wife is still in bed but my bedroom door knob is jiggling, I can promise you it's someone not invited."

Quote :

"Right. The 'innocent' person that broke into my house at 2am and tried entering my bedroom where my wife and I were. Yeah, I'm gunna get sent to jail for that. Might want to check your local gun laws before you say things like this."

What about swat/police, no-knock warrant (either lawfully or mistakenly)? I could be wrong but I seem to remember people being sent to jail for shooting cops even if the cops mistakenly entered the wrong residence (or the paperwork got screwed up).

Maybe it's an urban legend (or I am full of shit), I don't know.

Wait, here you go maybe? http://lawblog.legalmatch.com/2011/05/24/court-says-no-right-to-resist-cops-unlawful-home-entry/

[Edited on December 9, 2011 at 3:55 PM. Reason : not that I agree with it or anything... just sayin']

12/9/2011 3:50:46 PM

I'm just saying that it's not that far of a stretch past your unlikely bad guy scenario to imagine someone in your house for some other reason that doesn't deserve a death sentence with no trial. The cops. A kid. Your dumb cunt wife forgot to lock the exterior door and your senile/retarded neighbor wandered in.

12/9/2011 5:59:05 PM

statistically speaking, the odds are pretty low that some armed burglar will break into your house at 2am

the odds are much lower however, that the cops, some kid or your neighbors will wander into your house at 2am

[Edited on December 9, 2011 at 6:16 PM. Reason : note to self: rob settledown's house, no need to bring a weapon]

12/9/2011 6:15:57 PM

yes, please rob my house and don't bring a weapon

12/9/2011 6:21:21 PM

say I do come over and rob you, what are you gonna do about it?

[Edited on December 9, 2011 at 6:23 PM. Reason : hypothetically]

12/9/2011 6:22:36 PM

if settledown is there, i'll just claim to be a senile neighbor

12/9/2011 6:24:21 PM

I will straight fucking murder your senile ass with my bare fucking hands

12/9/2011 6:45:57 PM

so its wrong to kill someone with a gun

but ok to do it barehanded

12/9/2011 6:49:57 PM

Quote :

"statistically speaking, the odds are pretty low that some armed burglar will break into your house at 2am the odds are much lower however, that the cops, some kid or your neighbors will wander into your house at 2am"

Statistically speaking, I don't think there's statistical evidence in use at all in this discussion.

12/9/2011 6:52:19 PM

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"^Most modern wooden doors, yes I completely agree. I don't have a "modern home" by any stretch of the imagination."

Unless by not modern, you mean "castle with wooden doors 2 feet thick", buckshot will go through them.

12/9/2011 6:53:31 PM

shooter identified, some white dude who went to Radford

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2011/12/09/2837669/motive-still-unknown-in-va-tech.html

12/9/2011 8:07:45 PM

It doesn't make any sense why he would just walk up to a cop car and shoot him, he wasn't even the one pulled over. Unless he had that190% paranoia ...

12/9/2011 9:03:41 PM

http://articles.wdbj7.com/2011-12-07/pro-gun_30488387

Two days ago...LOL

12/9/2011 9:24:32 PM

Alright it's Childish baby, Mr. Talk About His Dick Again
Nerdy ass black kid, whatever man I'm sick of him
That well spoken token, who ain't been heard
The only white rapper who's allowed to say the N-word
I buy a bunch of 'em and put it on my black card
Now I got some street cred, use it 'til it's maxed out
I got a girl on my arm dude, show respect
Something crazy, an Asian, Virginia Tech

12/9/2011 11:25:02 PM

^^^ Dude was probably just crazy.

12/9/2011 11:38:23 PM

Slight similarities with this too, if it turns out he wasn't from the home: http://www.newsobserver.com/2011/12/10/1701777/kan-officer-killed-by-man-who.html

12/10/2011 8:54:03 AM

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"Unless by not modern, you mean "castle with wooden doors 2 feet thick", buckshot will go through them."

I just saw you said 0 or 00 shot. IMHO, it would be pointless to use this kind of shot inside your home. I assumed you would be using a shot more reasonable for home defense. I mean, a person doesn't require the same shot to neutralize as a fucking deer unless you're trying to saw the guy in half. To me, that falls more into settledown's category of "gun nut home defense fantasies itt".... but again, I'm not going to judge what someone else wants to do to defend their home. 0 or 00 shot seems unreasonable to me, personally.

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"The cops. A kid."

Yeah, because you are so VERY concerned that I might accidentally shoot a cop or a poor little kid. Hell, you're a fucking saint for wanting to prevent unnecessary death. Oh wait...

Quote :

"" HOPE. YOU. ACCIDENTALLY. KILL. SOMEONE. YOU. LOVE.""

-Settledown, 9 December 2011 10:12:15AM

12/10/2011 2:53:57 PM

I hope they bleed to death in you arms

12/10/2011 4:02:13 PM

anything new on motive?

12/12/2011 9:37:14 AM

This is all I've seen:

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"Investigators are still trying to find out why the gunman ambushed Crouse, but they say they think the shooting is likely connected to the Radford carjacking earlier this week. "

12/12/2011 9:48:25 AM