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"Which is why we are currently writing letters to the city managers and chief of police thanking them for stopping this"

cool, i did the opposite

8/26/2013 11:35:18 AM

why? we have a resolution, the group is going to find private property to use

8/26/2013 11:36:26 AM

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"What about the DHHS standards for Food Safety and Distribution, did you get a chance to look through that?"

ITT, I do not see any links on that subject, only the name has been spoken. If I do look at it, it's hard to know if I'm looking at the right thing. But in terms of just their basic website...

http://www.dhhs.state.nh.us/dphs/fp/sanitation/index.htm

it seems relevant wording that:

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"RSA 143-A:4 I states that "It shall be unlawful for any person, unless exempted under RSA 143-A:5, to operate a food service establishment or retail food store within the state without having obtained a food service license to be issued by the commissioner.""

This initially sounds pretty damming, but we really have to understand what definition is being used for "food service establishment". Is the Jesus biscuit stand a food service establishment? Laws will probably spell that sort of thing out. I mean I can go Google it, and get:

http://www.ncdhhs.gov/aging/food/rules_governing_food_protection_sanitationfoodestablishments.pdf

which has not 1, but many definitions for food service things. Aaaand I'm done for now.

8/26/2013 11:37:33 AM

yep, that's the document I was referencing

I don't know if they'd qualify as a Mobile Food Unit, or a Street Vendor, but there are regulations covering both

8/26/2013 11:40:42 AM

^^what is your point? because this meets the definitions for applicability.

[Edited on August 26, 2013 at 11:41 AM. Reason : ^]

8/26/2013 11:40:52 AM

Quote :

"why? we have a resolution, the group is going to find private property to use"

because i think it was a good use of public property

8/26/2013 11:41:03 AM

well I'm sorry that the people who actually live near and around it disagreed

8/26/2013 11:41:34 AM

don't be sorry

8/26/2013 11:42:00 AM

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"well I'm sorry that the people who actually live near and around it disagreed"

i'm sorry you moved to an urban center and are upset about having to share it with homeless people

this is nothing less than gentrification. you are part of the problem.

[Edited on August 26, 2013 at 11:49 AM. Reason : .]

8/26/2013 11:47:53 AM

Don't worry Sayer, no one in this thread would expect any compassion from you

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"Sayer: A buddy of mine and I were eating lunch in some restaurant up on Capital and this black guy comes in. He's obviously homeless and he spends about 3 or 4 minutes standing near the door just looking around the restaurant at everyone there. Then he starts wandering around. The only reason I noticed is because I like to keep my keys, wallet and cell phone on the table when I'm eating instead of in my pocket. I felt like the guy would try to grab and run. So.. eventually he makes his way by our table. He pauses for a second and says to me "Hey man, can I borrow your phone?" Without missing a beat, my friend looks up and says "Borrow his phone? Does he have Bell South written across him? Does he look like public telephone? No. Borrow his phone?! I'll tell you what you need to borrow.. you need to borrow a job. Be like 'Excuse me, can I hold this job for a second?' No you can't borrow the phone..." and went back to eating... everyone in the restaurant around us was laughing under their breath.. cause he definitely said that loud enough for a bunch of people to hear. Guy just have him a dirty look and walked out without saying anything."

I would have said no too, I just wouldn't have been a dick about it.

8/26/2013 11:48:26 AM

^
hahahaha what a shithead

8/26/2013 11:50:14 AM

Theres only one way this is a good law.

Does the city offer rehabilitation to get the homeless of the street and the only way they can help these homeless is if they come in to get their meals. Thus when people feed them they keep them from coming in to city services and getting help that will get them off the street?

I know that is what san francisco does and they also tell people not to feed the homeless. If the city doesn't offer that connected to the food then this is a bunch of bullshit.

8/26/2013 12:01:16 PM

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"i'm sorry you moved to an urban center and are upset about having to share it with homeless people this is nothing less than gentrification. you are part of the problem."

here is what you are too dumb to understand

we are all fine with the urban environment, we are fine with homeless people

we would like to leave them at normal and natural levels and locations, and not unnaturally concentrate them in the park so that people who don't live nearby can feel good about feeding them

fucking idiot

8/26/2013 12:05:32 PM

adultswim trolling hard ITT

8/26/2013 12:07:10 PM

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"well I'm sorry that the people who actually live near and around it disagreed"

Who lives next to Moore Square?

8/26/2013 12:07:33 PM

lots of people live in the neighborhood

idiot

8/26/2013 12:08:37 PM

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"Does the city offer rehabilitation to get the homeless of the street and the only way they can help these homeless is if they come in to get their meals. Thus when people feed them they keep them from coming in to city services and getting help that will get them off the street?"

i know that at least one organization does this

and they even have weekend meals!

8/26/2013 12:10:33 PM

Homeless people getting in the way of Rum Runners trying to get some shut eye!

8/26/2013 12:10:44 PM

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""Hey man, can I borrow your phone?""

Quote :

" "Borrow his phone? Does he have Bell South written across him? Does he look like public telephone? No. Borrow his phone?! I'll tell you what you need to borrow.. you need to borrow a job. Be like 'Excuse me, can I hold this job for a second?' No you can't borrow the phone..." "

AHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

8/26/2013 12:25:56 PM

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"we would like to leave them at normal and natural levels and locations, and not unnaturally concentrate them in the park so that people who don't live nearby can feel good about feeding them"

except you are offering no other solution. you just want them out of your area. it has already been stated that there are no other nearby kitchens on the weekends. the solution is to add more kitchens, not remove the one in your neighborhood.

gentrification

8/26/2013 12:38:11 PM

and the point you keep making that "people who don't live there want to feel good about feeding the homeless" is absurd for two reasons:

1. you're implying that people who feed the homeless are doing so out of purely selfish desires

2. you're implying that they should open kitchens in suburban areas, as if that would drive homeless people away from the city. cities are far superior for homeless people than suburban areas for many reasons

[Edited on August 26, 2013 at 12:51 PM. Reason : .]

8/26/2013 12:43:40 PM

gentrification drives development, yes I want gentrification. i want the homeless out of that park so the city can renovate it, and so that Banner and Healy can continue to invest their $40 million dollars in that part of the city.

i have given proposals, read my posts again. and they do not involve displacing anyone, simply walking the few blocks to one of the existing facilities.

[Edited on August 26, 2013 at 12:49 PM. Reason : you are treetwista level retarded]

8/26/2013 12:48:21 PM

I think I'm gonna move to a less-than-desirable part of town, then write some letters to the mayor and complain and whine about those god damn poor people

dtownral is probably just trolling his ass off in this thread though, thats all he does on tww

[Edited on August 26, 2013 at 1:04 PM. Reason : .]

8/26/2013 1:03:36 PM

^^
the existing facility that is a few blocks away is not open on weekends. find me one that is and i'll cede that point to you.

http://www.shepherds-table.org/

your other point that they should find a piece of private property hinges on whether or not there is private property available, and they were kicked out before that could be determined.

[Edited on August 26, 2013 at 1:05 PM. Reason : .]

8/26/2013 1:05:29 PM

^ and has been stated. it's not open because of staffing issues. if Lovewins contracted with an established kitchen to run it on the weekends, this would be a moot arguement. the irrationality of tww is staggering.

8/26/2013 1:13:03 PM

^
that was a single anecdote by dtownral. post a link to anyone with authority and i'll readjust my view

btw, this is an "established kitchen". they've been operating on public property in moore's square for 6 years.

[Edited on August 26, 2013 at 1:28 PM. Reason : .]

8/26/2013 1:18:04 PM

some entitled motherfuckers up in here

8/26/2013 1:20:43 PM

making national news:

http://gma.yahoo.com/church-group-members-threatened-arrest-handing-biscuits-coffee-041141792--abc-news-topstories.html

8/26/2013 1:24:35 PM

Gentrification is certainly the reason this is happening at Moore Square, but while it is great for development and increases the attraction of downtown, it presents its own problems. It becomes a class war on the working classes who driven out of housing they can afford. Not many of these hard working people can afford a luxury condo or $1500 a month in rent. These people are pushed into more blighted neighborhoods we like to forget about, far from their jobs (creating a commuting expense and other problems). Often these neighborhoods can offer prison (like the new jail on Hammond Rd.) but little else, and many are "food deserts".

As for the homeless there are a multitude of reasons for it beyond lack of personal ambition. Nobody is going to hire someone who is mentally ill for example. Shunning them elsewhere and pretending they don't exist isn't going to solve a thing. They will still be there in your city, just not the parts you probably want to go to. With all the recent policies of the NC government the problem will only increase and regardless of where they are in town, Raleigh will have to spend money on it.

[Edited on August 26, 2013 at 1:29 PM. Reason : .]

8/26/2013 1:27:16 PM

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"if Lovewins contracted with an established kitchen to run it on the weekends, this would be a moot arguement"

Do you have an official statement from the established kitchen in question stating this, or are anti-homeless-in-my-back-yard people simply speculating on this point to reinforce their biased viewpoints?

8/26/2013 1:40:11 PM

I hope some rich person foots the bill for years and years worth of daily permits for Love Wins to be able to legally hand out food to hungry homeless people in Moore Square...they could even make it a 7-days-a-week thing and not just on weekends

Then it would be legal, so there wouldn't be an issue

8/26/2013 1:41:44 PM

They aint mad at cha

I'm Krallum and I approved this message.

8/26/2013 1:48:29 PM

dtownral might be a troll, but hes right this time.

sorry guys!

8/26/2013 2:13:59 PM

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"^^ the existing facility that is a few blocks away is not open on weekends. find me one that is and i'll cede that point to you. "

that's one facility, and not even the closest one
its also not the one I was talking about. I also said this group should pair up with a soup kitchen like this to supply food and volunteers so they can offer weekend service.

and fyi, google Raleigh rescue mission

[Edited on August 26, 2013 at 2:20 PM. Reason : there are at least a dozen soup kitchens in raleigh ]

8/26/2013 2:15:52 PM

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"The Raleigh City Council's Law and Public Safety Committee will convene Wednesday for a special meeting following a local nonprofit group's claim over the weekend that a police officer threatened to arrest volunteers for feeding the homeless in the city's historic Moore Square."

http://www.wral.com/raleigh-city-leaders-to-meet-wednesday-over-moore-square-food-flap/12818647/

8/26/2013 2:35:21 PM

god damn, i don't even have to work at trolling treetwista, i just use his name and he will vanity search his way walking right into it

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"btw, this is an "established kitchen". they've been operating on public property in moore's square for 6 years."

cool, show us in the city or state code where that makes it okay

8/26/2013 2:35:40 PM

you call me retarded, yet you live around a bunch of homeless people

8/26/2013 2:37:38 PM

wow, that was weak dude

8/26/2013 2:38:03 PM

i know, you really should've done more research before you moved in

8/26/2013 2:39:57 PM

try harder

8/26/2013 2:42:14 PM

you'll have to try harder to run the homeless people off before they can be fed once the Law and Public Safety Committee meet in a couple days and figure out a way to allow Love Wins to continue to help the community like they've been doing for years

but enjoy your few days of 'winning' until then

8/26/2013 2:44:24 PM

dude, we already have plans B and C ready to go and we have financial backers now

we won

8/26/2013 2:45:11 PM

Cam Newton sucks

8/26/2013 2:45:14 PM

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"we have financial backers now"

did you count on this story going national? national stories can attract a lot of humanitarians a shitload wealthier than a few raleigh developers

8/26/2013 2:47:32 PM

/

[Edited on August 26, 2013 at 2:47 PM. Reason : double post]

8/26/2013 2:47:32 PM

plan C is for if we lose support of city management

8/26/2013 2:52:56 PM

TT forgets now thanks to the NC GOP garnering national attention these people he speaks of want to sit back and watch us burn.

8/26/2013 2:53:20 PM

plan C sounds pretty insidious...maybe a good old fashioned lynching in the park to show the homeless people you mean business?

^the people to whom you refer could help out 'innocent' homeless people, while sticking it to our backwoods GOP run local governments...win/win for the NC haters

[Edited on August 26, 2013 at 2:57 PM. Reason : .]

8/26/2013 2:56:44 PM

Yes. Downtown should look like the first half of Hobo with a Shotgun.

8/26/2013 2:58:21 PM

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"that's one facility, and not even the closest one its also not the one I was talking about."

Then show me the one that is a few blocks a way and is open on weekends (like you claimed)

Quote :

"and fyi, google Raleigh rescue mission "

http://www.raleighrescue.org/services

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"Emergency Overnight Services for women and children "

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"We often have a waiting list for our services."

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"cool, show us in the city or state code where that makes it okay"

show me where it says lemonade stands, jaywalking, and driving 10 mph over the speed limit are okay. they waited 6 years to enforce whatever ordinance they're enforcing. it stinks of money.

partnering with another organization is fine, but how do you know they haven't tried? also, my problem with forcing them out of this location is that it sets a poor precedent. do you think that food pantry services should be banned from all public property, or just the property that you use?


[Edited on August 26, 2013 at 3:01 PM. Reason : .]

8/26/2013 2:58:51 PM