Finally finished the other night. I feel like I've read all of the pro and anti-Avery articles that are out there.

First, I don't see how anyone could conceivably see that there wasn't reasonable doubt. Whether or not Avery/Dassie did it, there was way too much pointing to police misconduct as well as lack of evidence corroborating what the DA was trying to sell.

I definitely don't think Dassie had anything do with it...or if he did, he wasn't an active participant in the killing. At the most, he might have witnessed something...but I don't believe that either. The way his interrogations were held was downright criminal. His first attorney should be disbarred and the investigators should be disciplined.

In regards to Avery, if he murdered her, he didn't do it the way the DA painted the picture. First, if you murder someone on your own property (specifically in the bed or the garage), there's no need to put her in her own car while she's bleeding. I guess he could have hurt her somewhere else and brought her back to the property to finish the job...but it just seems a little farfetched. Of course there's the absence of blood in the garage/bedroom. I can't get my dog's piss stain out of the rug from when he was a puppy four years ago...I can't imagine how those two idiots would manage to get that much blood out of fucking concrete and that shit-can trailer. And lastly...why the fuck would you burn a body somewhere else (rock quarry), and then transfer all of the bones to your back yard...or conversely...burn the body in your backyard...and only take 5% of the bones somewhere else. It's beyond Steven Avery-retarded.

So how did Avery do it? Or who did it and tried to frame Avery (along with the cops)? I definitely don't think the cops did it...and I also doubt that they know for sure who did it (although its a possibility). But I do think they found shit that didn't point to Avery, and put it on his property to help the case. I think the key, whether it be the original or spare, was definitely put there. Same goes with the bones and the car. The car might be just as obvious as the key if you look at Colburn's call in two days before it was found. There's just so much shit that doesn't make sense that it's almost comical. And the jury thought so too if we're to believe that the original poll was 3 guilty, 7 not guilty, 2 undecided. Too bad those 7 didn't hold it.

Will be interesting to see if anything comes of this. I wonder what the sentiment is around Manitowoc County and Wisconsin in general after the show. Sometimes public pressure can cause something pieces to move...but it appears these Wisconsin mother fuckers are pretty set in their way.

1/29/2016 11:13:50 AM

^yep

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1/29/2016 11:30:24 AM

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" And the jury thought so too if we're to believe that the original poll was 3 guilty, 7 not guilty, 2 undecided. Too bad those 7 didn't hold it."

I've read recent reports that when interviewed, the jurors said that they feared for their safety when they were originally voting not guilty.

1/29/2016 11:34:47 AM

Supposedly making/filming season 2 with Avery now.

1/29/2016 12:16:29 PM

Right after Scott Tadych was on the stand, I told me wife "that fucker did it." So call it confirmation bias, but I'm on board with that youtube comment theory. I couldn't convince myself the police actually killed her, which was a huge chip for the prosecutor. I think in his closing arguments he said if you believe the defense, you believe that these police officers killed her and Avery didn't. I hope in the actual trial the defense pushed Tadych and Bobby much harder than they showed in the documentary, especially since they were each others alibi and they still fucked it up.

Either way, while there's no way to say he was innocent, there is no fucking way he was "guilty beyond a reasonable doubt", and the idiots in here claiming otherwise are either trolling or would give Avery a run for his money on an IQ test.

And I seriously doubt Brendan was involved. I couldn't believe they put him on the stand, but he fucking nailed it. For a kid that dumb to not get tripped up once by any lawyer-speak, he had to be telling the truth. It was heartbreaking what happened to him, but the silver lining is that jail might have done him a lot of good. He probably got more education in there than hes ever gotten and actually sounds like a competent adult now.

1/29/2016 1:20:25 PM

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"I hope in the actual trial the defense pushed Tadych and Bobby much harder than they showed in the documentary"

They couldn't push other specific suspects...just the general, "maybe someone else did it".

1/29/2016 1:31:25 PM

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"They couldn't push other specific suspects...just the general, "maybe someone else did it"."

Right, I meant more in the sense that the documentary made it look like the defense was implying the police did it, as opposed to pushing those 2 idiots. Either way, they still planted more seeds of doubt that no one could honestly say they 100% thought Avery did it. It was more of a "well, even though all of this shit went down, he probably did it" verdict than a legal one.

Question for you: Why was the trial judge the first appellate judge? Is that always the case? Or was he just on rotation for that district at the time of the appeal? And why would neither of the higher courts grant an appeal? Do they just review comments from the lower court judge as opposed to looking at the facts of the case?

[Edited on January 29, 2016 at 1:51 PM. Reason : .]

1/29/2016 1:49:34 PM

The two specials this weekend seemed geared more towards people who haven't seen it, and really didn't offer anything new.... and that Kratz guy is still a pathetic, creepy slimeball.

[Edited on February 1, 2016 at 11:34 AM. Reason : ]

2/1/2016 11:34:43 AM

Watched the Dateline one. Wasn't really anything new. A little more perspective from the victim of the first assault in the 80s and from Kratz. Kratz really has not aged well. Got a slimy neckbeard.

Steve Avery's new attorney has said that they have some new evidence that may help get him out due to advances in forensic science over the past 10 years. She made a very good point though -- obviously Avery would have to submit this evidence and push it forward. If he actually is guilty, why would he want to investigate more forensic evidence if it would actually prove that he did it?

2/1/2016 12:11:26 PM

It was weird the animosity Kratz showed towards Avery, when he would snarl "He's right where he deserves to be". Seemed pretty unprofessional and obvious that he has a vendetta against him.

2/1/2016 1:42:57 PM

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"It was weird the animosity Kratz showed towards Avery, when he would snarl "He's right where he deserves to be". Seemed pretty unprofessional and obvious that he has a vendetta against him."

I mean, there is an entire series saying he shouldn't be there with a bunch of couch lawyers agreeing. I'd be a bit bitter too. I didn't see it though.

2/1/2016 5:11:57 PM

Kratz sucked, but he was just pandering to the media and the public. He wanted to convict Avery in the public and have it influence the court...and it worked.

2/1/2016 7:23:01 PM

This show was a total snooze fest.

2/1/2016 7:52:05 PM

I watched 3 episodes and completely lost interest.

Guess I blew my load on serial

2/1/2016 8:43:01 PM

Watched the thing on Investigation Discovery last night. If you watched the Netflix show and have been active in this thread, there wasn't really any new info. Except for this gem by Brad Dassey, Brendan's half brother:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OH1wJLa9VvI

2/2/2016 10:25:29 AM

Hey guys, remember this show?

NEW SCIENTIFIC TESTS IN 'MAKING A MURDERER' STAR STEVEN AVERY'S CASE COULD PROVE HIS INNOCENCE — SEE THE EXCLUSIVE DOCS
http://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/steven-avery-making-a-murderer-prison-release-105901

(and also, according to this site, Prince left a suicide note)

6/22/2016 2:16:00 PM

Nominated for several Emmy's and getting new episodes at some point.

7/19/2016 6:04:47 PM

the new episodes would be a continuation of this same case, or more like a new season with a totally new story/case?

7/20/2016 7:44:27 AM

same case as far as I understand.

7/20/2016 9:42:13 AM

This is from a People article I just found:

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" Kathleen Zellner, the lawyer for Making a Murderer subject Steven Avery, is optimistic that forthcoming new episodes will portray her client in a positive light, she tells PEOPLE exclusively. "The new Netflix episodes will reveal all of the new evidence we have developed to show Steven is innocent and was framed for a second time," Zellner says in a statement to PEOPLE. On Tuesday, Zellner tweeted a message to fans of the true crime docu-series: "The best is yet to come." The best is yet to come. #MakingAMurderer https://t.co/YbmrVgYAn2 — Kathleen Zellner (@ZellnerLaw) July 19, 2016 On Monday, Netflix announced it was producing more episodes of the Emmy-nominated show about the 2005 murder of young photographer Teresa Halbach and the controversial convictions of Steven Avery and his nephew, Brandon Dassey, for the crime. After the show was released, Avery wrote a letter to his supporters, reading: "To My Supporters: I want Every Forensic Test Possible Done B/c I am Innocent." Third visit WCC: SA thrilled about chance of new forensic testing--like innocent men always are.#MakingAMurderer pic.twitter.com/7p2JwaJoYt — Kathleen Zellner (@ZellnerLaw) January 29, 2016 After the Netflix's announcement, Dassey's lawyer, Laura N. Nirider, told PEOPLE that her client is "hopeful" he will be given a new trial. "What gives him hope is the letters he receives from people all around the world," Nirider said. "Those letters and his family are the reasons he gets up nowadays. He is hopeful and grateful." Nirider added, "The whole world saw what happened to him over the course of season one. People are rightfully up in arms about what happened to him, and we are grateful a spotlight will continue to be shown on his case." While there is no set date for when the new episodes will air, it will focus on "the high-stakes post-conviction process, as well as the emotional toll the process takes on all involved," Netflix's press release stated. "The new installments will take fans of the acclaimed documentary series back inside the story of convicted murderer Steven Avery, and his co-defendant, Brendan Dassey, as their respective investigative and legal teams challenge their convictions and the State fights to have the convictions and life sentences upheld," the release continued. "

7/21/2016 7:34:23 AM

http://tinyurl.com/zjncu5w

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"A federal judge has overturned the murder conviction for Brendan Dassey, who was convincted in the 2005 murder of Teresa Halbach that was the subject of the Netflix documentary Making a Murderer. Prosecutors now have 90 days to decide whether or not to retry Dassey; if they do not, he will be freed from prison immediately. "

8/12/2016 4:32:30 PM

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"if they do not, he will be freed from prison immediately."

and move the fuck out of that town, i hope

8/12/2016 5:41:34 PM

He'll finally get to see Wrestlemania.

8/12/2016 6:52:18 PM

Finally seeing this, 8 episodes in. Feels like it could have been done in less than 10 hours but I get it since they filmed it over 10 years.

The craziest part hands down was the sheriff saying 'Why would we frame him? We could have just eliminated him" on a local newscast.

1/2/2017 1:31:09 PM

I wonder if the new episodes they are planning will be as biased and one-sided as the first set. Everything I've seen outside the documentary make Steven look guilty as sin (Brendan is less clear) and really paints the "documentary" as purposefully deceiving. Could be interesting if they actually address the critiques, but some were so damning against them they probably will just ignore them.

1/3/2017 8:31:03 AM

Such as?

1/3/2017 9:10:42 AM

They made a big deal about the "mysterious" pinhole in the blood syringe from the prior conviction. That's just how they put the blood into that particular type of syringe. The show either ignored that fact to purposefully drum up controversy, or they didn't even do the bare amount of research required to see if there were other options.

And then there was the evidence box from Steven's first trial having had the seal opened. Scandalous . . . except Steven's defense did that as part of his appeal for his first murder charge. That's how he got out of prison in the first place.

There are a lot of others as well. Those are just the most egregious which stuck out at me.

1/4/2017 4:41:38 PM

https://www.npr.org/2018/06/26/623525381/brendan-dassey-of-making-a-murderer-won-t-get-heard-by-supreme-court

6/27/2018 10:22:34 AM