Hey aaronburro...

Suppose someone raped you and they got it on camera.

Do you think it would be more or less traumatic for you if they posted it on the Internet for thousands of sickos to jerk off to? Saying the consumption of this vile shit doesn't impact the child is fundamentally flawed. You don't think it traumatizes them more knowing it's out there being viewed daily?

Fuck you and anyone else who even begins to defend kiddie porn.

1/2/2017 8:33:30 AM

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" Instead, I'm using an extreme case to point out the folly of banning demand, hopefully causing people to rethink their support for such bans in much less extreme circumstances, such as maybe drugs, prostitution, whatever. "

and just as ^MIGZ pointed out, just the knowledge of it being out there is bad enough on a person, let alone a child.



so aaronburro, I am a person who believes substance banning doesn't do shit, but I also believe we should eliminate all child porn possible and do whatever we can to both end the practice in general and to remove as much material as possible because it is not fair to the victim. I am interested to know what you would do think will work?

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"I would argue that bans on viewing the material not only accomplish nothing, as you readily admit, but they actually make the problem worse."

how would you argue this?

returning to the drug analogy, the most successful drug programs decriminalize the drug. This leads to short term problems, but as long as effective treatment programs are in use and widely available, small countries have been able to see some success.

So first let's legalize it (that will be easy) and then what? It's one thing to come out as a drug addict and enter a rehab program, it's another to admit you have a kid porn problem. Most of these people will never come forward with that (especially if they own a business), and then where do you go from there?

how do you treat people who would be stupid to out themselves? it would never not have a stigma against it. I am a very open minded person, but there is no way in hell I would associate with anyone with an admitted child porn problem, even if they say they are getting help for it. Because drug treatments have worked, but do we even know what part of the brain is effected by kiddie porn? what chemical imbalance, trauma, or etc is going on in someone's head to desire this stuff? we don't know hardly anything and there have been plenty of theories on it.


I think if you hop on the legal prostitution bandwagon now you can still be on the ground floor and I promise it will be an easier battle to fight as far as consumption bans go. Even the legal prostitute people face backlash, and that is not even that big of a deal since it involves consenting adults.


PS FBI reading this, I do not condone kid porn viewing

k, thanks, bye

[Edited on January 2, 2017 at 10:30 AM. Reason : .]

1/2/2017 10:27:05 AM

This is a really weird topic over which to draw a line in the sand

1/3/2017 2:20:45 AM

its not that aaronburro is passionate about child porn, he's just passionate about being wrong on the internet

1/3/2017 9:41:28 AM

When can we expect an official GeniusXboy alias to start posting from prison?

1/3/2017 4:32:27 PM

based on Hadjuk's posting history it seems apparent that TWW is blocked in prison

1/3/2017 10:39:22 PM

Did any of you Bitcoin idiots ever send him any BTC? Because he was probably paying for child porn with it.

1/5/2017 9:21:58 AM

He most surely was it seems. Wasn't he also accepting Bitcoin at his shop?

1/5/2017 12:07:38 PM

is anyone running his shop for him?

I, too, would like some pizza

1/5/2017 4:52:12 PM

are bitcoins worth anything in prison?

1/5/2017 4:55:59 PM

do bitcoins even lift??

1/5/2017 5:58:54 PM

I guess they're worth buttsex in prison

'cause if you use BC ur gay

1/5/2017 6:09:08 PM

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"Do you think it would be more or less traumatic for you if they posted it on the Internet for thousands of sickos to jerk off to? Saying the consumption of this vile shit doesn't impact the child is fundamentally flawed. You don't think it traumatizes them more knowing it's out there being viewed daily? Fuck you and anyone else who even begins to defend kiddie porn."

I'm not defending kiddie porn at all. Work on your reading comprehension skills while you also learn the difference between distribution and consumption.

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"so aaronburro, I am a person who believes substance banning doesn't do shit, but I also believe we should eliminate all child porn possible and do whatever we can to both end the practice in general and to remove as much material as possible because it is not fair to the victim. I am interested to know what you would do think will work?"

Distribution bans like we already have, and, for those caught only viewing it, mandatory compliance with LEOs to determine the distribution source. I also think we need more studies to figure out what are the best ways to help those who have this problem get past it.

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"how would you argue [that consumption bans on KP make the problem worse]?"

As I've already stated: by making it less likely that a person would self-report their problems and seek help early on in the stages of KP addiction, leading to the furtherance of their addiction and further consumption of the material, which necessarily leads the creation of more material.

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"returning to the drug analogy, the most successful drug programs decriminalize the drug. This leads to short term problems, but as long as effective treatment programs are in use and widely available, small countries have been able to see some success. So first let's legalize it (that will be easy) and then what? It's one thing to come out as a drug addict and enter a rehab program, it's another to admit you have a kid porn problem. Most of these people will never come forward with that (especially if they own a business), and then where do you go from there? how do you treat people who would be stupid to out themselves? it would never not have a stigma against it. I am a very open minded person, but there is no way in hell I would associate with anyone with an admitted child porn problem, even if they say they are getting help for it. Because drug treatments have worked, but do we even know what part of the brain is effected by kiddie porn? what chemical imbalance, trauma, or etc is going on in someone's head to desire this stuff? we don't know hardly anything and there have been plenty of theories on it."

KP addiction is a tough nut to crack, and I don't even pretend to have all the answers (or even any answers) on how to battle it. I can say, with absolute certainty, that trying to fight it using the exact techniques of other failed battles isn't going to work. KP has a very clear victim, one who didn't consent to the crime, and one who is unquestionably a different party than the one committing the criminal act. For the record, I assume by "legalize it" you mean "decriminalizing the viewing of it," cause no way in hell would I or any other reasonable person suggest that decriminalizing the production of it is in any way a good idea.

I agree that KP addition is so stigmatized, and rightly so, that public self-reporting isn't going to happen. At the same time, I sure as fuck hope that people with this addiction understand that it's horrific and causes incredibly damage to the victims. That horror has to drive some desire to get help. I'd say it's a matter of providing services to help these people, free of the fear of publicly outing themselves or getting arrested. We can take a page out of the playbook of successful drug-addiction clinics and treat the problem, instead of just throwing the person in jail. And, in the process, we can discover how to best treat people with KP addiction. And all of it should be done using gov't funding. Now, good luck with that political campaign to make it happen

1/10/2017 11:47:57 PM

lot of words you got there

1/11/2017 6:51:21 PM

FBI pays best buy geek squad guys $500 for every computer they find with kiddie porn on it. so basically they search the hell out of it, even use software to find unallocated files that were double deleted or whatever

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/if-a-best-buy-technician-is-a-paid-fbi-informant-are-his-computer-searches-legal/2017/01/09/f56028b4-d442-11e6-9cb0-54ab630851e8_story.html?utm_term=.12efffa28a4b

1/11/2017 6:57:23 PM

^^^They came off the line wrong. They're defective, and their "addiction" involves real victims who also happen to be the least able to advocate for, defend, and protect themselves.

Of all the criminals, there isn't a more obvious group of people who belong in prison. And I don't care if they're surgeons or whatever.



And, of all the problems that need solving, I can't imagine dedicating more than a passing thought to how we might "treat" these defectives. You just lock them up and forget about them. We do it all the time, and it's really easy.

1/11/2017 8:49:16 PM

Yeah, you're totally right. I can't imagine why it would be important to try and make sure that we have the least number of kids being brutalized by the kiddie porn industry. What's it really hurt if we get that wrong, you know? Fuck it, just lock people up and hope it's the best course of action. There's no reason at all to spare any thought whatsoever at how to achieve the best outcome. Let's just assume they were broken from the beginning and move on to figuring out of the Don really did get peed on.

^^ That one is going to make interesting case law... If it turns out that Geek Squad agents were going out of their way to do extra searches in order to find stuff so they could collect a check from the FBI, there's no way that anything they find will hold up. I know you sign a statement that says "if we find KP, we'll report it," but that's a far fetch cry from "we are going to search for KP because the gov't is paying us to." More than likely Best Buy will either change the consent form to say that they will scan the entire hard drive and report any KP they find (and thus lose business), or they'll make a new policy which bars payments from the gov't for reporting material which was found.

1/11/2017 10:38:33 PM

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"Yeah, you're totally right. I can't imagine why it would be important to try and make sure that we have the least number of kids being brutalized by the kiddie porn industry. "

Cool strawman, especially coming from the guy who wants to legalize the consumption of kiddy porn.

1/11/2017 11:10:30 PM

It's not really a strawman when it's a key component of why I argue doing more than just blindly locking people up. Reading comprehension, again, is not your strong point. How do my nuts taste tonight, by the way?

1/12/2017 12:29:29 AM

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"try and make sure that we have the least number of kids being brutalized by the kiddie porn industry."

So who is arguing the opposite of that, if it's not a strawman?

You were obviously replying to Bridget, and I don't see that argument in her post.

And I'm pretty sure any rational person would agree that legalizing the consumption of child porn would not support that objective.

1/12/2017 1:31:44 AM

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"FBI pays best buy geek squad guys $500 for every computer they find with kiddie porn on it. so basically they search the hell out of it, even use software to find unallocated files that were double deleted or whatever"

w0w, that seems like it would be illegal as hell

I guess they can do whatever they want though

I feel like people who look it up probably wouldn't take their computer to best buy tho

1/12/2017 2:19:53 AM

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"I agree that KP addition is so stigmatized, and rightly so, that public self-reporting isn't going to happen. At the same time, I sure as fuck hope that people with this addiction understand that it's horrific and causes incredibly damage to the victims."

I don't know if you can assume that they care about the people that are victims as much as you think. Perhaps there are KP viewers out there that genuinely feel bad for the kid, idk.

But I have a problem reconciling that a person would feel for the victim, but would prioritize their sexual fantasies against helping said victim. It's not like they couldn't do anything, they could work with police and FBI. In the case that a KP viewer legit has a change of heart and comes to the police on their own accord to sell out their distributor and any producer they know of, then yea sure.... give them leniency in this case. But to me decriminalizing will only give them a leg to stand on. Why would I have to give up my dealer? I'm already getting cited for it. Obviously I am working under the assumption that most KP viewers don't give a shit about the victims, but can you blame me?

Since you like analogies, say a person likes the rape fantasy thing, is it crossing another line to actually watch a real rape that was videotaped (one they knew was real)?

[Edited on January 12, 2017 at 9:39 AM. Reason : .]

1/12/2017 9:37:40 AM

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"say a person likes the rape fantasy thing, is it crossing another line to actually watch a real rape that was videotaped (one they knew was real)?"

1/12/2017 9:52:24 AM

^listen, if you don't know BDSM by now I am not explaining it to you

1/12/2017 9:57:35 AM

So what's it going to take to pivot this thread back to pizza jokes.

1/12/2017 1:14:07 PM

Burro walking off a cliff.

1/12/2017 1:23:05 PM

pizzagate

ok let's make up jokes

what do you get when you cross a Virginia Beach man with a pizza shoppe?




a whole lot of cheese pizza

jk jk

1/12/2017 5:32:16 PM

http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2017/01/11/two-employees-are-suing-microsoft-alleging-their-jobs-gave-them-ptsd.amp.html

[Edited on January 12, 2017 at 6:40 PM. Reason : shits gross, son]

1/12/2017 6:39:38 PM

Got bored, stumbled onto this thread,

Havent logged on in ages

Make TWW greatdisgusting again.

[Edited on January 16, 2017 at 12:39 AM. Reason : I wonder how many of his posts would be damning in that deleted pick a number <18 thread...]

1/16/2017 12:34:29 AM

^^wow. if my boss told me i had to look at CP i would call him a sick bastard and dare him to fire me over my refusal to do so

1/16/2017 6:26:36 AM

then why would you accept a job where screening for that was part of your job?

1/16/2017 7:00:47 AM

^^you do realize that in order to find it, someone has to find it, right?

1/16/2017 10:45:20 AM

^^, ^

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"Soto says Microsoft transferred him to the online safety team in 2008, and company policy forced him to stay there for a year and a half."

Only those willing to do that job should do it. In this case, allegedly, the plaintiffs were forced to do it, given no psychological preparation, or any psychological support during or after the position was over.

1/16/2017 12:48:37 PM

Microsoft ain't law enforcement. I don't see how making their employees look for CP could possibly make windows 10 work better

1/16/2017 1:24:17 PM

because they're not complicit for data that resides on their servers, right?

[Edited on January 16, 2017 at 1:34 PM. Reason : ]

1/16/2017 1:31:11 PM

http://rare.us/story/a-sick-crime-typically-committed-by-men-has-this-woman-facing-serious-jail-time

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"She is facing the charges after authorities discovered more than 100 sexually explicit images and videos of infants, toddlers and teenagers stored in her cell phone, law enforcement said. The woman allegedly admitted to the crime, telling WPXI-TV that the videos served as a “coping mechanism,” because she was molested when she was younger."

1/16/2017 1:41:03 PM

^ I sincerely hope that woman will get some help while in prison. I also hope she knows that it is within her power to help the victims she viewed and future victims. Being an abuse victim herself should give her the motivation to turn in anyone connected with it. I do wish we had more research out there to indicate that abuse victims will need ongoing therapy well into their adult years. I wish there was an organization out there dedicated to long term counseling of victims.


very sad and very disgusting




[Edited on January 17, 2017 at 12:19 PM. Reason : .]

1/17/2017 12:15:49 PM

shit's gross, son

1/17/2017 12:22:02 PM

Klatypus said:

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"I wish there was an organization out there dedicated to long term counseling of victims."

Is there not? Pencils down, without looking it up in the book, do you think it's even likely there is not at least one organization with that mission? Think about it. Really think, like instead of wishing.

1/17/2017 12:44:08 PM

^ I did think about it, and I am sure there are counseling services out there, especially for victims, but do they cost money? are the free ones any good (I have had some free therapy and it's pretty hit or miss, mostly 5 minutes of 'how do you feel?' and then presciption if anything)? and I meant more for LONG term counseling that gets them all they way to adulthood to make sure they are adjusted.

If there is one, then cool, but it seems she slipped through the cracks then



[Edited on January 17, 2017 at 12:52 PM. Reason : .]

1/17/2017 12:47:13 PM

There are several groups by and for adult survivors that organize support groups, collect self-care resources, and can connect survivors with services. But it sounds like you're talking about something that just isn't like to happen: free long-term care by a licensed professional.

There are just too many victims. Child abuse is wildly prevalent. Something like 10% of kids are estimated to suffer some form of abuse before they turn 18. A lot of these incidents never get reported, let alone prosecuted. There probably aren't enough counselors and therapists to go around with numbers like that, not that could provide long-term care anyway. About the best you can hope for is that a survivor seeks help on his or her own eventually, before it's too late.

1/17/2017 1:43:37 PM

^that's why it was a wish

1/17/2017 4:01:39 PM

There are organizations like that, I just happen to know one off the top of my head because a comedian that regularly appears on a podcast I listen to plugs it all the time- https://speakyoursilence.org/#, but like ^^ said, the numbers are way too depressingly high for everyone to get that sort of help

1/17/2017 4:30:15 PM

^thanks Money! what a positive turn for this thread!

from their site

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"Therefore, we make in-person, one-on-one counseling accessible for those personally affected by child sexual abuse anywhere in the US, regardless of financial means. To date, approximately 125 individuals in over thirty states have received counseling through our program."

cool!

[Edited on January 17, 2017 at 4:34 PM. Reason : .]

1/17/2017 4:32:57 PM

An argument against criminalizing possession of CP, which attacks it from another angle...
https://www.popehat.com/2017/01/17/randazza-legalize-child-porn/

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"So who is arguing the opposite of that, if it's not a strawman? You were obviously replying to Bridget, and I don't see that argument in her post. And I'm pretty sure any rational person would agree that legalizing the consumption of child porn would not support that objective."

What if I'm suggesting that Bridget's line of thinking of "why waste a thought on this" has the logical consequence of not allowing us to "try and make sure that we have the least number of kids being brutalized by the kiddie porn industry?" Like I said, work on your reading comprehension.

1/17/2017 8:51:53 PM

Dude. You even said "yeah you're right..." to lead into the quoted strawman. That's the very definition of the execution of a strawman argument, which you then went on to attack, at length.

I'd say nice try, but it wasn't.

1/17/2017 9:02:35 PM

https://www.google.com/search?q=define%3A+sarcasm&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

Maybe if you weren't so busy trying to troll me on here, you would have caught it. Again, work on your reading comprehension.

1/17/2017 9:17:25 PM

Yeah you can keep on trying different tacks to walk back the most obvious TWW strawman of 2017 (so far), but that doesn't mean anyone ITT is going to buy it.

But by all means, keep on embarrassing yourself. That obviously doesn't bother you.

1/17/2017 9:28:04 PM

1/17/2017 9:29:50 PM

Stop saying "brutalized." It's weird and largely inaccurate.

Also, stop defending consumers of child pornography under the guise of supposedly reducing their activity.



We've locked up half the fucking country, and it would be disgusting to start making exceptions just cause you and a bunch of white dudes between the ages of 18 and 49 are fucking perverts. Prison is easy when you all deserve to die.

If it's not evident...your passionate defense of these degenerates definitely--100%--makes me think you're one of them. Just reading your posts makes the hair on the back of my neck stand up.

1/18/2017 3:41:33 AM