Who is smart? The person operating with the best information they have available or the person with the correct information and superior wisdom who resorts to namecalling and refuses to share their insight with others an effective way?

3/17/2020 11:32:36 PM

^^
go to sleep lol

[Edited on March 17, 2020 at 11:33 PM. Reason : .]

3/17/2020 11:33:09 PM

It's 8:45 pm in California, and I'm under lockdown because morons like you don't listen to logic/science and blame everyone else for their problems. Seriously, you both can go fuck off and sit and think about how stupid you've been the past 3+ years about everything.

3/17/2020 11:45:48 PM

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"You may be right in that absolute young turnout may be marginally better at best, but Bernie’s campaign was contingent on more than marginal improvement from the beginning"

100%

Funny watching our resident Bernie Broz scramble to argue otherwise.

3/17/2020 11:45:55 PM

I'm sorry, but it's time for them all to own up to their absolute temerity about how the world really works.

[Edited on March 17, 2020 at 11:48 PM. Reason : .]

3/17/2020 11:47:35 PM

Thank you, person who was wrong in 2016 and again in 2020.

[Edited on March 17, 2020 at 11:49 PM. Reason : seriously seek help for your anger problems tho.]

3/17/2020 11:49:00 PM

I'm not angry at the world. I'm just angry at idiots like you because you will NEVER listen, and you will NEVER learn. You guys remind me of my very worst type of student: ones who don't realize how ignorant they are, sitting around doing NOTHING and complaining that they're failing when they never show up for class/study/participate/do homework/or turn in drafts for essays. I didn't fail you, YOU FAILED YOURSELF.

It's alright though. Morons like you keep me gainfully employed, so keep it up. You're paying my salary.

[Edited on March 17, 2020 at 11:53 PM. Reason : .]

3/17/2020 11:52:42 PM

I worked my ass off for a campaign that only wanted to catch the US up to the rest of the first world. What did you do?

[Edited on March 17, 2020 at 11:57 PM. Reason : man really, i'm not going to sit here and do this. see a therapist.]

3/17/2020 11:55:29 PM

You wasted your time. Sorry. It happens. Not everything we try hard at leads to us getting everything single thing we want and feel entitled to. Grow up.

[Edited on March 17, 2020 at 11:57 PM. Reason : Admit you were wrong. It's OK. People make mistakes. That's how we learn.]

3/17/2020 11:56:42 PM

Please explain to us how Bernie didn't do anything to help with climate change. What were we wrong about?

3/18/2020 12:15:56 AM

Basically everything, but we already went over that last week when we told you Bernie was done and it was over. And here you are, still being wrong, trying to argue about it some more.

[Edited on March 18, 2020 at 12:21 AM. Reason : whoops. Typed the WRONG name. I'm sorry. I made a mistake. I will try harder.]

3/18/2020 12:20:52 AM

I knew it was over long ago. I think I was the first person on here who said Bernie couldn't win? and what does that have to do with your statement on climate change "Bernie didn't do anything to help"?

3/18/2020 12:24:25 AM

My reply was to the comment about everything being shitty and getting better. That's not happening any time soon. Climate change, while salient to conversations about how fucked proper we are, is gonna just have to wait a bit, OK?

3/18/2020 12:26:41 AM

Blaming Warren in any capacity is inaccurate and ineffective. That sort of blame only goes to show lacking introspective needed to objectively evaluate one's mistakes, so that one can move forward and be better later. This is the problem with much of the Bernie campaign. It was true in 2016, and is part of why failures carried over.

So far in my discussions with the Bernie camp, their only internal criticism is that Bernie wasn't combative enough. This is ridiculous. There are several obvious issues, outside of just policy, that the majority of left leaning individuals identify as reasons why they didn't vote for Bernie. Yet, many in the Bernie camp feel adamant that the near universal opinion held by a majority is somehow an inaccurate representation. That seems more like ignorance than intelligence to me.

3/18/2020 9:41:44 AM

Of course he wasn't perfect nor was his campaign. Everyone admits that but nothing could be done by him to change the way the media smeared him and spread lies. People don't know his history or platform and believe things about him that are contrary. People widely thought he was going to take away their healthcare and raise their taxes. Warren constantly added to that. People think Joe Biden is the civil rights candidate.

Those are things that more progressive allies, had they existed, could have helped quell by vouching for Bernie from the outside. AOC, Omar, Tlaib, Khanna, and Deblasio were simply not enough.

AOC's beef was that he accepted the Rogan endorsement. Fair criticism but if he didn't accept it, he would have been unwelcoming to someone who was broadening his base. Lose-lose.

[Edited on March 18, 2020 at 9:53 AM. Reason : people are just dumb and warren took advantage of that]

3/18/2020 9:52:14 AM

Faiz says they're "assessing" the campaign. Writing is on the wall, hope they don't try to drag this out any longer.

[Edited on March 18, 2020 at 10:25 AM. Reason : ^^ agree 100%]

3/18/2020 10:25:16 AM

Quote :

"Blaming Warren in any capacity is inaccurate and ineffective. That sort of blame only goes to show lacking introspective needed to objectively evaluate one's mistakes, so that one can move forward and be better later. This is the problem with much of the Bernie campaign. It was true in 2016, and is part of why failures carried over."

I don't blame Warren solely for the loss. Obviously there are things Bernie could have done better. But I do think the moderates coalescing and the progressives not coalescing most likely cost us the victory. And I think it's important to note the role she decided to take in this primary.

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"There are several obvious issues, outside of just policy, that the majority of left leaning individuals identify as reasons why they didn't vote for Bernie."

Yes, there are a million reasons why people chose not to vote for Bernie, from "he's sexist" to "he's not an ally to Jews" to "he can't win". What are your reasons?

3/18/2020 11:02:33 AM

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"Yes, there are a million reasons why people chose not to vote for Bernie"

Glad you are catching on. The fact he hasn't suspended his campaign, causing millions of voters to risk their health so they could stand in a line and vote, is criminal.

Quote :

"People widely thought he was going to take away their healthcare and raise their taxes. "

People were correct.

[Edited on March 18, 2020 at 11:16 AM. Reason : 1]

3/18/2020 11:15:02 AM

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"Glad you are catching on. The fact he hasn't suspended his campaign, causing millions of voters to risk their health so they could stand in a line and vote, is criminal."

The correct thing to do would have been to delay the election. Once again, you are being a disingenuous hack that no one should take seriously.

This is criminal:
https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/03/18/willfully-choosing-not-listen-scientists-dnc-chair-tom-perez-under-fire-urging

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"That Tom Perez is encouraging this, and threatening states who postpone in-person voting, is criminal," Grim tweeted, referring to a DNC memo sent last Wednesday warning that states could face a "delegate penalty" if they push back their scheduled elections."

[Edited on March 18, 2020 at 11:21 AM. Reason : .]

3/18/2020 11:18:16 AM

Quote :

"What are your reasons?"

Outside of policy, I'd say it is:

1) He vilifies groups of people in order to generate an emotional support to propel his movement forward, much like Trump. Yes, his messaging is less vile and not attacking historically disenfranchised groups of people, but, nonetheless, he is intentionally painting a picture that one group of people is largely responsible for the failures/unsatisfying parts of other's lives, which is not true.

2) I dislike the general nature of his supporters, as compared those those from other candidates. Bernie supporters have consistently been the most angry, mean, divisive, derisive, and often inaccurate supporters of any other group I've encountered. Part of this makes me dislike them and thus the candidate they support as a proxy. Part of it makes me steer clear of Bernie because I don't want to be associated with anything like that.

3/18/2020 11:44:16 AM

those poor poor billionaires, hopefully they can recover from his meanness

also,
There is hard data that shows "Bernie Bros" are a myth
A computational social scientist's study shows Bernie's Twitter followers act pretty much the same as everyone else
https://www.salon.com/2020/03/09/there-is-hard-data-that-shows-bernie-bros-are-a-myth/

and
https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipOieaGhgmp-BFkEGXBTz8SaigFHjpCczlM2_UEP7nz0dDt6_lfZ6NWBlEBhThp79g?key=YTdLbmpoa00wcExHZFI2OElKMENWTWg4ZTJMX1ZB

3/18/2020 11:59:56 AM

it’d be very refreshing if supporters of Bernie would just own up to the fact that there is a decent sized coalition of assholes within the movement

some of my best asshole friends are very loud supporters of his. sure, it’s anecdotal, but I know plenty of people who are in the same boat

anyways, this is a pretty important quote from that Salon (which I thought Patton Oswalt killed years ago) piece:

Quote :

" I still would like to dig deeper into this. This analysis looks at all tweets. I would like to look just at twitter interactions between candidate's supporters, look at tweets responding or mentioning media professionals."

3/18/2020 1:47:48 PM

it's literally every movement

3/18/2020 1:49:12 PM

Even if it were true - Bernie's coalition is broadly composed of poor, working class people who have a right to be angry. Expecting all of them to police their tone is a super privileged attitude to have. People are fed up.

3/18/2020 1:50:19 PM

i wanted every american to have healthcare until someone was rude on twitter about it

3/18/2020 1:52:07 PM

I like Bernie but wish his supporters would lick more boot.

[Edited on March 18, 2020 at 2:23 PM. Reason : k]

3/18/2020 2:23:34 PM

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"Bernie's coalition is broadly composed of poor, working class people college students and recent gender studies graduates who cant find a job with their $100k degree ."

FTFY

3/18/2020 2:37:47 PM

Quote :

"it’d be very refreshing if supporters of Bernie TRUMP would just own up to the fact that there is a decent MASSIVE sized coalition of assholes within the movement some of my best asshole friends are very loud supporters of hisTRUMP. sure, it’s anecdotal, but I know plenty of people who are in the same boat "

Solid post, but I edited it to point out something that's pretty obvious to the rest of us (but not the Bernie Bros you're talking about, since they don't get it)

3/18/2020 3:13:46 PM

And Trump's coalition is broadly composed of poor, working class people who have a right to be angry. Expecting all of them to police their tone is a super privileged attitude to have. People are fed up.

3/18/2020 3:16:50 PM

No difference at all between anger directed at oppressive, racist, systems of power and defenders of those systems vs anger directed at...minorities and the underprivileged?

And btw that anecdote about Trump supporters isn't even true.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-mythology-of-trumps-working-class-support/

[Edited on March 18, 2020 at 3:24 PM. Reason : v lol]

3/18/2020 3:23:04 PM

Good time for @Dril

Quote :

"the wise man bowed his head solemnly and spoke: "theres actually zero difference between good & bad things. you imbecile. you fucking moron""

3/18/2020 3:23:43 PM

Quote :

"And Trump's coalition is broadly composed of poor, working class people who have a right to be angry. Expecting all of them to police their tone is a super privileged attitude to have. People are fed up. "

This guy Coronas

3/18/2020 3:40:23 PM

^3 even 538 supports the narrative that Bernie Bros are more likely to be close minded.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-are-women-less-likely-than-men-to-support-sanders/

If the overwhelmingly accepted point of view from other campaigns and individuals alike is that Bernie supporters, especially those within the younger male demographic, are more caustic and vitriolic, then how can it not be true? Do you believe that it is more likely people arrived at this conclusion by brainwashing than by interaction with the coalition?

3/18/2020 4:06:38 PM

Anecdotally, the vocal Bernie Bros and Trumpers I'm seeing in my FB have been either:

1. downplaying the severity of the outbreak, saying it was/is the media's fault, etc
2. spreading pseudoscience and conspiracy theories (more Trumpers on this one tho)
3. deliberately going out despite warnings, or complaining about how annoying social distancing is


Everyone else? I'm actually digging the funny memes and it's nice to see so many people being really kind to each other, or suggesting how to make the best of it.

3/18/2020 4:21:18 PM

i'm not seeing that trend at all, no

Quote :

"even 538 supports "

lol
even 538!

[Edited on March 18, 2020 at 4:23 PM. Reason : .]

3/18/2020 4:22:26 PM

^^^
Not trying to be snarky or anything but you should read this book sometime

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manufacturing_Consent

[Edited on March 18, 2020 at 4:22 PM. Reason : .]

3/18/2020 4:22:35 PM

^^ The 538 comment is based on his assertion that a 538 article provided definitive evidence about a situation.

^ I agree that can happen, but I'm asking what do you believe is more likely in this scenario.

3/18/2020 5:00:46 PM

I think it's a combination of that and Bernie supporters having the most overwhelming numbers online. Percentage-wise, facts have shown there's no real difference.

3/18/2020 5:19:56 PM

Why hasn't he dropped out yet? He's so selfish! He should totally endorse Biden!!

3/19/2020 11:14:31 PM

I don't know. Its a tough call. Maybe he will endorse Trump and get more concessions out of him.

3/19/2020 11:16:20 PM

Maybe his supporters will wake up and smell the COVID-19 and put a n-95 mask on to hold their noses while they vote for Biden.

LOL JK! Like that's going to happen

3/19/2020 11:30:50 PM

Do you think you're making a salient point with the last couple posts?

3/19/2020 11:34:30 PM

Everyone else besides you two gets it, so sure.

3/19/2020 11:55:10 PM

You're like dtr in terms of aggressive, caustic posting except without a focused, internally consistent political ideology.

3/20/2020 9:34:08 AM

no offense to him, but UJustWait has always come across as a mean butthole on tww (like some Bernie Bros?)

3/20/2020 11:46:13 AM

Bernie campaign is texting this out

https://secure.actblue.com/donate/bernie-coronavirus-fundraising

3/20/2020 12:42:51 PM

^^ I'm not always mean. I'm pretty kind/helpful in the lounge. Sometimes. When I feel like it.

3/20/2020 12:53:21 PM

Comical commentary on NPR this morning. They were said they hope Covid is over soon because Bernie Bro’s are intense when they have to go to work, just imagine how intense they’re going to get when they all start working from home.

3/21/2020 12:18:37 PM

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/488780-sanders-raises-over-2-million-for-coronavirus-relief-effort

3/21/2020 12:28:22 PM

I think if Bernie was President we wouldn’t have this corona virus. Product of capitalism.

3/24/2020 2:02:42 PM