Førte just reached into my wildest wet dream and pulled out a jizz filled sock.

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" I honestly think UNC could be a front for ISIS and they would still sell jerseys and have a huge following as the majority of their fanbase are fucking tards."

Truth.

[Edited on October 27, 2014 at 3:53 PM. Reason : *]

10/27/2014 3:52:01 PM

I have said for years that unc could directly support terrorism and the walmart nation would still pull for dem' heels.

Cheating Bastards.

10/27/2014 4:19:29 PM

I'm looking forward to another year of "us against the world" bullshit during televised games. Maybe Dickie V will just straight up call Wainstein a lying jew on tv this time around.

10/27/2014 4:46:55 PM

NCAA President Emmert makes his first public comment about the scandal

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"Derek Rowles ?@DerekRowles · 2m2 minutes ago #BreakingNews - NCAA boss Mark Emmert tells @AP the #UNC Wainstein report is "deeply troubling" and "absolutely disturbing""

10/27/2014 4:50:45 PM

Ahhh...The Martin Report.

http://www.newsobserver.com/2014/10/27/4269451_decock-martin-impressed-with-wainstein.html?rh=1

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"After the release of Martin’s report, Thorp and the Board of Trustees trumpeted its conclusion largely exonerating athletics, desperately claiming to have put the matter to bed once and for all. Less than two years later, Wainstein put the lie to all of that."

10/27/2014 5:18:53 PM

^^Wow. Strong (and very true) words. Hopefully he backs it up with a punishment.

10/27/2014 6:06:10 PM

The question now is does the NCAA who laid down the hammer against SMU and Michigan still exist? If they do not, this will set a dangerous precedent for all of college sports that could result in a NCAA meltdown at the end.

10/27/2014 6:21:11 PM

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/11775066/mark-emmert-ncaa-president-calls-north-carolina-report-troubling

"Just based on the (Kenneth) Wainstein report, this is a case that potentially strikes at the heart of what higher education is about," Emmert said Monday. "Universities are supposed to take absolutely most seriously the education of their students, right? I mean that's why they exist, that's their function in life. If the Wainstein report is accurate, then there was severe, severe compromising of all those issues, so it's deeply troubling. ... It's absolutely disturbing that we find ourselves here right now."

North Carolina athletic department spokesman Steve Kirschner said the school would not comment on Emmert's remarks.

"When a school has information about inappropriate behavior that might render a student-athlete ineligible, then they're under an obligation to respond. If it turns out later that they did know and did have facts that demonstrated that someone was ineligible and they played them anyway, then sure those wins can be vacated and that's happened many times."

But it was the details of the North Carolina case that drew Emmert's harshest comments.
"When you look at what we all know today, the Wainstein report, and just based upon that," Emmert said, "you look at the, I look at these facts, like everyone, and I find them shocking."





[Edited on October 27, 2014 at 6:39 PM. Reason : moar]

10/27/2014 6:26:47 PM

exactly why my nut-bustingly perfect dream scenario punishment is justified. the NCAA has to destroy unc's past, present, and future to show they take education seriously. otherwise, they have no legitimacy and there's no reason for the other schools to not do what the cheating tar holes did.

10/27/2014 6:30:17 PM

The best part of all, the Wainstein report was paid for by UNC themselves.

10/27/2014 6:33:51 PM

i'm having trouble seeing how the NCAA could claim to have any credibility if they don't come down hard on UNC. not only would ignoring this or going easy on UNC undermine the NCAA's credibility, it would fundamentally undermine the defense they use to justify why athletes shouldn't be paid. the NCAA has no option, they have to be hard on UNC.

10/27/2014 6:43:43 PM

Exactly. There's a lot more ($) at stake for the NCAA.

Also, is it just me, or does it sound like the language he's using is a tacit acknowledgement that this shit went further than what is revealed in the Wainstein report:

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"Just based on the (Kenneth) Wainstein report,"

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"the Wainstein report, and just based upon that,"

[Edited on October 27, 2014 at 7:09 PM. Reason : nattydaddy.gif]

10/27/2014 6:49:04 PM

Yeah, looks like the Wainstein report was the breaking point for both the national media and the NCAA. The facts just speak for themselves, and anyone who advocates for college athletics has to be appalled by this crap. This is beyond even what the cynics think of the institution.

[Edited on October 27, 2014 at 7:03 PM. Reason : :]

10/27/2014 7:03:38 PM

burn chapel hill down

10/27/2014 7:18:15 PM

^^^ It wouldn't just undermine their credibility.

It would undermine their very existence.

Providing athletes with an education is ostensibly the only thing keeping college athletics as an amateur endeavour. If you don't provide the athlete with an education, then you no longer have an argument against compensating the athlete.

No more student athlete = No NCAA.

10/27/2014 7:24:34 PM

Banners should fall along with post season bans in multiple sports. Either that or no penalties at all. I see no middle ground.

[Edited on October 27, 2014 at 7:37 PM. Reason : A bit like either Miami or pedo state]

10/27/2014 7:36:03 PM

It would be like Chris Webber never even called that timeout.

That game just never happened.




They can let Greg Ostertag and Jamal Mashburn thumb wrestle for that years NCAA winner. Winner gets to hang the UNC banner in their gym. Loser gets the Michigan banner.




[Edited on October 27, 2014 at 7:48 PM. Reason : Gerold Ford and Ashley Judd can watch.]

[Edited on October 27, 2014 at 7:50 PM. Reason : Wait...no, G. Ford went to Michigan. need a famous Kansas alumn for that joke.]

10/27/2014 7:38:09 PM

Exactly. The entire argument for not paying players is "they get a free education".

If they aren't actually getting an education then that argument is out the window

10/27/2014 7:49:03 PM

We're gonna need a bigger boat more asterisks

10/27/2014 7:57:05 PM

I still can't believe they have that 1924 Banner hanging in there, even the NCAA doesn't recognize that as a National Championship...

However if they drop the last 3, then I am fine with the 1924 Banner in which not even 8 teams played in and nobody except UNC recognizes it as anything except a good basketball team. I mean fuck, Social Security numbers were implemented 11 years after that "win"... So let them keep that stupid shit hanging and they need more than asterisks. The either drop the banners or they put a beg red circle with a line diagonally through it saying we cheated and also "Bias owns Jordan" in bold print.

10/27/2014 8:10:05 PM

UNC didn't win a tournament in 1924. Some guy just looked at records like 20 years later and decided they were the best.

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" need a famous Kansas alumn for that joke."

Like Dean Smith?

10/27/2014 8:19:50 PM

I wonder how this will affect UNC's rankings for top public colleges in the nation? Weren't they in the top 15 last year even after the first 2 reports?

10/27/2014 8:24:18 PM

If they admit it WAS an athletics problem, might not hurt them too bad

If they keep claiming it was an academic problem, they should drop 100s if spots

10/27/2014 8:25:43 PM

not to be a debbie downer but isnt this thread a little fanciful?

just to play devils advocate for a second, what are you guys gonna do if nothing or very little happens?

show up at their next game with disparaging signs? im not looking forward to this becoming 50 pages + of eating crow.

10/27/2014 8:31:43 PM

^Yeah some of the "death penalty" talk is probably a stretch.

But worst case that happens is the NCAA drops the ball and there's no further punishment. But through the investigation, UNC has already been exposed for 18 (at least) years of outright academic fraud of pretty much the highest degree. Not to mention the football investigation and punishment already handed down by the NCAA, which was completely separate from the academic stuff. UNC fans have always bragged about their squeaky clean program, and great academic image. All that of is now permanently tarnished. So there's not really much crow to eat.

10/27/2014 8:44:13 PM

Did you read the NCAA President said today? Did you listen to Al Sharpton? Did you watch the SNL plug?

It is sad, but the last two will probably have more weight in causing an outcome than the report and the initial remarks from the NCAA President.

What some people do not realize is that this is putting the NCAA and College Sports as a whole on trial. If the NCAA makes the wrong decision here and gives them a slap on the wrist it could be the end of College Sports as we know it. Like others have said, the entire premise of being a college athlete is you receive a free education, when you remove the education what is the point of the NCAA.

Never before has the NCAA been in such a public spotlight over the UNC corruption and although many of us hate UNC, this goes much deeper than their shitty school. This is basically like the end of slavery for the NCAA (AFAM joke FTW) and if they go with slavery, College Sports will never be the same, ever.

This is why UNC has to receive a harsh punishment if the NCAA can prove the allegations of the report. If ANY Basketball players were ineligible due to this and were on (not even played) any of the National Championship teams, those wins have to be vacated, no question.

Now if the NCAA can tie enough dirt to UNC in general, a 1-2 death penalty for Football and/or Basketball is not out of the question at all. The NCAA has their ass on the line here and whatever they chose, good or bad, will set the new precedent for College Sports and Student Athletes around the country.

I would love nothing better than for the NCAA to completely remove UNC from the teams in D1 and demote them to D1AA or some shit. The reason I believe we will see an outcome this time vs. the first two reports is because the first investigation was fucked from the start based on who did it. Then they hire Willingham to do an investigation on the student athletes themselves and once she publishes it they try to discredit her as much as possible. I honestly believe they though the Wainstein report was going to help them and further discredit the other investigations, but obviously this blew up in their faces worse than anyone could have hoped for.

Now we are at a crossroad where the NCAA will have to decide, do we want to continue with the same morals, rules and legacy that we are known for. Or do we want to give UNC a slap on the wrist and completely fuck College Sports as we know it? The choice is there's not ours obviously, but anyone with sense who has read any of the documents and interviews available can come to the conclusion that UNC will not be walking out of this one with a simple ban. I believe they will vacate at least 2 Championships and the infamous death penalty is not out of the question for say 1-2 years. You have to look at what is best for College Sports in the eyes of the NCAA, not what is going to harm UNC, luckily they are one in the same.

10/27/2014 8:48:35 PM

is revocation of ncaa membership a thing? can it be a thing?

10/27/2014 9:05:43 PM

If nothing comes of this, I'll likely just head over to the Doeren thread and shit on him some more.

Actually... I'll probably do that regardless.

We suck at football.


Oh well. At least we have scholars. And football players who = scholar. I like the way we scholl.

10/27/2014 9:10:24 PM

I'm looking forward to the ncaa deciding they don't want to do anything to unc, and college athletics being minor league club teams. UNC can be the school that fixed the college athletics problem

10/27/2014 9:12:37 PM

again, devils advocate here.

how much of this is genuine concern about the integrity of academics and the fellowship of student athletes blah blah blah.

and how much of it is just "we are nc state so of course fuck chapel hill straight to hell."

i think the animosity is a little disturbing; im sure a few of you guys would get in any student / alums face that was wholly unrelated to the department in question. im sure there are some unc fans / grads that are disgusted by this that you consider guilty by association.

lets not be a bunch of savages here. you have the opportunity to now forever be on the high road.

10/27/2014 9:13:33 PM

I think the real question is, when the NCAA rules whatever they choose to rule on UNC, will John Swofford pressure the ACC to impose additional sanctions? Like he did with State and Clemson back in the 80s?

10/27/2014 9:15:38 PM

I actually think non-cheating UNC students are the biggest victims here. They are forever tainted by association. But I still want the program to burn because of 30 years of UNC fans' elitist bragging about their scholarship AND integrity in the athletics department. It's The Carolina Way.

10/27/2014 9:19:13 PM

RIP Carolina Way

Oh and LOL at y0willy trying to make UNC into victims.

[Edited on October 27, 2014 at 9:29 PM. Reason : .]

10/27/2014 9:28:32 PM

This is what I posted on my FB Wall:

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"I just want to say that this entire UNC/Wainstein Report is far past my hatred for UNC. You may think I enjoy posting this, but honestly, it scares me what could happen to my main source of sports entertainment. This is putting the NCAA as a whole on the line and whatever decisions are made will have a permanent effect on College Sports and the NCAA as a whole. The wrong decisions on part of the NCAA could be the end of the NCAA and College Sports as we know it today. The entire argument for not paying players is the fact they receive a free education out of the agreement. When you remove the education aspect, you remove the NCAA. I wish this had never happened at any college and then they allowed it to go on for almost 2 decades (and possibly more with NCAA investigation). Please NCAA, don't make me regret the fact I only watch College Sports (except for NFL teams lead by NCSU quarterbacks) with of course NASCAR and NHL. If the NCAA can link ANY basketball players on any of the UNC National Championship teams, those wins have to be vacated and if enough is proven UNC deserves the famous SMU death penalty for at least 1-2 years in both Football and/or Basketball (if applicable). This is not me hating UNC, this is my opinion on what is best for College Sports as a whole. You probably remember me posting similar stories 3 years ago or so, but never before has popular media and the NCAA jumped in like it is right now. The NCAA Committee is in the public spotlight and what they do will determine the course of College Sports."

I will be the first to tell you I hate UNC and I would love to burn the place down in an academic way, however like I stated above, this goes beyond UNC. This is going to set a precedent that will never be the same after. Either the NCAA slaps the whip or the NCAA will be completely gone in their current capacity in less than 5 years. The NCAA has a shit ton to lose here and they know it, that is why the President of the NCAA is already speaking out publicly. Did the the President of the NCAA ever speak out before this report and before Sharpton and before SNL? Hell no, all of those stupid parts are literally playing a role in this. It is sad, but people don't read the NY Times or CNN, they watch SNL and FB Videos. Well my FB is blowing up with this shit and UNC fans are not saying a damn word anymore. Hell some of my UNC friends have come out and said they are embarrassed to have a degree from the school and some of my black friends who are UNC fans have said they will never pull for UNC again after this blatant racism and targeting of black athletes.

These days it takes some really stupid shit to get the full attention of the American public and in turn the NCAA due to the pressure of so many people knowing. That Al Sharpton shit had to be painful to watch for any black UNC Student and I bet UNC will see the largest number of students transferring out in years because of this. People don't want a degree from an institution that allows students to receive A's for doing absolutely nothing in most athlete cases. However from what I have heard from my friends who are UNC Alum and started in 2003-2005, it was well known these classes existed and normal students were taking them for a GPA boost.

Basically this scandal has never got this sort of attention before and for the the President of the NCAA already starting to weigh in is a very bad sign if you are a UNC booster. I think the death penalty is harsh, but you have to consider the amount of blatant disregard for athlete's education and the number of ineligible players in both Football and Basketball. If the NCAA gives them some stupid ass shit I will probably boycott all NCAA games except ours (if they are watchable) because it was those principals of being a student athlete and not getting paid millions to suck that draw me to College Sports. Also you get to see many more players from year to year than you ever will in professional sports for obvious reason. In the end the NCAA has to make this call, but their hand is definitely force a little here and everyone knows that. This is why it is such big news and I believe it will stay that way as more and more shit starts coming out of the woodwork. All we need is one credible witness who was apart of the basketball team staff during those years to corroborate the information in the report and that is it, done deal for UNC to vacate at least 2 National Championships.

10/27/2014 9:29:21 PM

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"I think the real question is, when the NCAA rules whatever they choose to rule on UNC, will John Swofford pressure the ACC to impose additional sanctions? Like he did with State and Clemson back in the 80s?"

This x1000.

10/27/2014 9:41:00 PM

^^ no one cares.

take them banners down tho'.

10/27/2014 9:43:56 PM

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"again, devils advocate here. how much of this is genuine concern about the integrity of academics and the fellowship of student athletes blah blah blah. and how much of it is just "we are nc state so of course fuck chapel hill straight to hell." i think the animosity is a little disturbing; im sure a few of you guys would get in any student / alums face that was wholly unrelated to the department in question. im sure there are some unc fans / grads that are disgusted by this that you consider guilty by association. lets not be a bunch of savages here. you have the opportunity to now forever be on the high road."

It's neither genuine concern for student-athletes nor is it "fuck UNC just because". It's actually...they were brazenly cheating for 2 decades and have championships to show for it. They should be punished for that. Severe consequences should come from it. Of course some of the passion and desire to see them harshly punished is exacerbated by the rivalry. But there's also been legitimate national outrage and calling for the death penalty over this from media members. It's not just NC State fans pissing into the wind about this.

Maybe I'm wrong...but I also feel like rational people can make the distinction between a corrupt system to keep athletes eligible and people earning real degrees at UNC.

It's a rivalry. The hatred and disdain for UNC athletics is quite irrational. I'm not even sure what you mean by "take the high road" here. Should we feel sorry for what's happened at UNC? Like I said, they brazenly cheated for 2 decades and now they've been caught. And besides, when it comes to sports rivalries...what does "taking the high road" really entail? The whole point of rivalries is irrational hatred for a team. Obviously rivalries can really cross the line, the Alabama fan poisoning an historic Auburn tree is the prime example. But aside from stuff like that, I don't know what taking the high road means in this situation.

[Edited on October 27, 2014 at 9:55 PM. Reason : d]

10/27/2014 9:53:14 PM

I don't want the death penalty. Add me to the group of people who'd rather see UNC hobbled with 0 scholarships for a half decade. I want to just go to their stadium every year and mercilessly destroy them in every sport.

and I want to talk shit to their lunatic fan base the whole time.

10/27/2014 9:54:04 PM

nah I want lots of terrible things to happen to UNC instead of just one or two

http://www.sbnation.com/college-basketball/2014/10/27/7079097/north-carolina-academic-scandal-basketball-sanctions-roy-williams

good read

10/27/2014 9:56:49 PM

The NCAA always comes down on people playing players but UNC is the opposite. They have been stealing from the players all this time.

I don't see the NCAA doing anythiing because it seems like their only concern is having a monopoly on the revenue. When players start tapping into that, its a problem. Players not taking classes doesn't really affect anyones pockets. Except maybe the players.

10/27/2014 9:58:55 PM

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"i think the animosity is a little disturbing"

Someone has not seen Survive & Advance. Either that or you are like 15 years old. Jimmy V was forced out and got cancer and died. (Though probably not related, but who knows?)

Throw in the fact we went undefeated in 1973 and could not win the title because DT played a pickup game with Eddie Biedenbach.

Countless years of "The Carolina Way" and smugness. You think our sports have not suffered because of all of this?

You are damn right fuck em.

10/27/2014 10:12:25 PM

^this

10/27/2014 10:24:00 PM

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"fuck em"

10/27/2014 10:25:32 PM

This is possibly karma happening in front of our eyes. Revenge would be sweet if banners fall down( Not expecting it of course)

10/27/2014 10:40:33 PM

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"^^ no one cares."

Well when you have people saying we are just crazy NCSU fans who just want to see UNC crash and burn, people do care considering what I posted from my FB post was exactly about the topic..

10/27/2014 11:19:12 PM

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"Someone has not seen Survive & Advance. Either that or you are like 15 years old. Jimmy V was forced out and got cancer and died. (Though probably not related, but who knows?) Throw in the fact we went undefeated in 1973 and could not win the title because DT played a pickup game with Eddie Biedenbach. Countless years of "The Carolina Way" and smugness. You think our sports have not suffered because of all of this? You are damn right fuck em."

This, this, this.

10/27/2014 11:22:45 PM

^^ i promise you no one on facebook cares about all those words, and neither does anyone here.

10/27/2014 11:43:50 PM

I just want to see UNC crash and burn.

10/27/2014 11:59:10 PM

^. i'm not above it.

10/28/2014 12:38:48 AM

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"^^ i promise you no one on facebook cares about all those words, and neither does anyone here."

When did TWW turn into twitter? I promise you multiple people do care on FB or they wouldn't bother responding (and agreeing).

10/28/2014 2:28:41 AM