^ why do you hate freedom so much

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10/6/2008 5:41:52 PM

As one of my anarchist comrades said at the McCain rally today, McCain himself could be considered a terrorist. He dropped bombs in Vietnam while Operation Rolling Thunder was in full swing.

10/6/2008 5:46:54 PM

nonono. McCain was a FREEDOM FIGHTER. there's a difference, maaaaaannnnnn

10/6/2008 5:49:10 PM

so you don't care to elaborate then?

10/6/2008 5:55:14 PM

10/6/2008 5:56:31 PM

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" Allowing people to buy health insurance nationwide instead of limiting them to in-state companies, and permitting people to buy insurance through any organization or association they choose as well as through their employers or directly from an insurance company."

I thought republicans were states rights advocates. Basically, they are for destroying the state's right to regulate the healthcare industry inside its borders.


And of course when I buy my healthcare from Wyoming, which only has three mandates, I can't even find a provider in North Carolina that accepts my healthcare.

Such a great plan.

10/6/2008 5:57:29 PM

Btw, Comsumer Reports has a great article this month that breaks down both candidates healthcare plans. It's worth a read.

10/6/2008 6:06:03 PM

For the record, I don't think McCain's going to win New Mexico. They say he needs to do better here in Albuquerque, and I really don't see that happening.

10/6/2008 6:13:54 PM

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"Ah spoken like a truely compasionate democrat. The problem is its the most selfish party."

LOL not hardly

As much as I disagree with Obama; I think Palin is a Bafoon and McCain has gotten misguided. I can no longer understand what he runs for. At least I know what I am getting with Obama. More foodstamps, chrome rims on old chevy's, shorter waits at the ER b.c i'm forced to subsidize LaShuana's 10 kids health insurance, green hippy energy, and the ability to sleep at night b.c i know Obama is less likely to start WW3.

10/6/2008 6:23:53 PM

but with Obama, you have to worry about Osama coming back and doing all kinds of nasty shit, cause Osama doesn't like hugs

10/6/2008 6:24:59 PM

^^wow

you probably just shouldn't vote at all

^waiting on you to expound on your ayers comment, btw

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10/6/2008 6:25:11 PM

Don't worry. If Obama gets elected we'll all be farting rainbows and living on the big rock candy mountain. Big Brother will look after us all. All we'll have to do is hand over whatever we earn and not worry about anything else.

10/6/2008 6:27:36 PM

^^ I think the last post on the previous page does it well enough, buddy. thx for being obtuse, though

^ you didn't need any of that money or freedom anyway, right?

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10/6/2008 6:27:47 PM

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"I'm sorry, but Obama has a lot more connections to Ayers than that article would suggest. They might not be best friends, but the connection between Obama and Ayers is damning, even if Obama doesn't "espouse" his views."

do explain

10/6/2008 6:29:02 PM

^^ of course not. with the Dear Leader, we can throw out that outdated old constitution and just work for Big Brother. We don't need any freedom. All we have to do is hope for change and yes we can put the government in control.

10/6/2008 6:31:22 PM

dont feed the troll, aaronburro has nothing substantive to say here. boring, old news, move on.

10/6/2008 6:32:00 PM

yes. please, pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!

10/6/2008 6:34:03 PM

speaking about moving on, how bout some fresh-out-of-the-oven-polling now shall we?. This from Rasumessen, a pretty conservative pollster.

FLORIDA: OBAMA 52-45 (Ed Note: !!!!!!!!)
MISSOURI: OBAMA 50-47
VIRGINIA: OBAMA 50-48
COLORADO: OBAMA 51-45
OHIO: MCCAIN 48-47

10/6/2008 6:35:51 PM

so Obama has lost a good bit of ground in Virginia and Ohio, but gained in Florida? Or, more likely, the polls have been widely variable and volatile and don't tell us a whole lot other than... it's closer than it should be.

10/6/2008 6:50:03 PM

Ohio is the same as the previous poll by Rasmussen. Obama is down 1 point in VA. He has gained overall in both those states from poll averages. So that is not an accurate assessment. His lead is growing.

10/6/2008 7:07:19 PM

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"I like for my president to not only believe his country is the best in the world (which I'm sure Obama does) but also openly express that."

Would you like that to be the case if you were British? Canadian? Malaysian? Yemeni?

Or is it only because you are American? I am really curious?

What if he thinks that America is NOT the best (whatever that means) country in the world, but he wants to MAKE it the best? And if he succeeds, in your eyes, not only will it stay the best, but also become better.

Does everybody have to be blindly patriotic? That's not true patriotism anyway. True patriotism means that you see the good AND the bad in your country, and if you have the means, try to change the bad to good.

10/6/2008 7:15:10 PM

clearly you hate amurrrca

10/6/2008 7:24:14 PM

^^That is too profound and nuanced to be appreciated by its intended audience.

10/6/2008 7:27:15 PM

^ sadly, true.

^^ i am more 'MURRCAN than a lot of americans. i even went to a 4th of july celebration this year and took part in the watermelon eating contest (came 2nd), egg and spoon race (came 3rd), and watermelon seed spitting contest yeah, in saudi arabia of all places

and best of all, i went with my 'merican friend TOM CRUISE (actually, his name is spelled tom crewse)

10/6/2008 7:36:37 PM

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"i even went to a 4th of july celebration this year and took part in the watermelon eating contest (came 2nd)"

well, that just make you a negroe

sorry that u didn't catch the sarcasm there, though

10/6/2008 7:38:13 PM

i caught the sarcasm, no worries aarondonkey

haha, negroe actually, there were only 3 or 4 blacks, rest were whites (a lot of them very hick'ish). it was a raytheon housing compound. and yeah, had a burger (best i have ever head), fried chicken, fries, watermelon, apple pie, and a slice of a US flag cake for dinner

10/6/2008 7:42:37 PM

These guys better be careful, this is dangerous territory the fear they are driving up. Watch this video below. Calling Obama a terrorist? That is not good at all and I don't care what party you support.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjf0NlfO73M

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"After John McCain delivered the central question of his speech today -- "Who is the real Barack Obama?" -- the first, and loudest, supporter seems to yell: "Terrorist!" That said, the moment is uncomfortably revealing: McCain is now dabbling in the tactics employed in the most viral smears of Obama, if not to the same degree. No honest observer would dispute that McCain's speech today was about sowing fears of Obama as a risky, unknown, and vaguely sinister "other," and this supporter, at least, read the subtext, intended or not, loud and clear. And when McCain delivered that line there was a gratified, even visceral roar from McCain supporters, as if this attack -- fear the alien in our midst! -- was the gloves-off moment they'd been waiting for. "

10/6/2008 7:46:51 PM

wow

he even looked somewhat appalled at first, but made no attempt to put those dumbshits in their place

hell, his fucking wife is smirking in the background. jesus christ

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10/6/2008 8:48:49 PM

"Kill him, kill him!!!"

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/10/06/in_fla_palin_goes_for_the_roug.html

10/6/2008 8:49:09 PM

yes. because clearly the yells of dumbfuck yokels represent the views of the candidates

hey, the Dixie chics support democrats. does that mean that all Democrats are ashamed of Amurrrca?

10/6/2008 8:55:50 PM

It means that they are playing to our basest fears in this campaign. Shameful of the McCain camp. Where is the man who once had honor? Sadly, I think he is gone.

10/6/2008 8:57:43 PM

ummm. really? some idiot yelling something stupid means McCain is playing to our deepest fears? I think what it means is that that one guy is an idiot. sometimes a cigar is, well, just a cigar, man

10/6/2008 8:59:16 PM

The old honorable McCain would have told them no, just like he did when the NCGOP ran those ads in the primary. He doesn't know.

Sadly, I see this working for McCain.

10/6/2008 9:01:11 PM

that guy connected the dots that the mccain campaign is dropping. they won't come out and say obama is a scary terrorist, they're making the american people connect those dots, do their dirty work for them.

these idiots were stupid enough to fall for it, and even dumber to shout it out.

10/6/2008 9:01:57 PM

sorry. there are no dots to connect. Obama does have ties to a shady mother fucker. it doesn't mean Obama is a terrorist. it just paints Obama as a ridiculously far-left radical, NOT a mainstream person like he claims to be.

10/6/2008 9:03:12 PM

barrack HUSSEIN obama



paling around with terrorists




who is the REAL obama??


yeah, ok

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10/6/2008 9:04:12 PM

seems like fair comparisons to me. but, to be fair, I haven't heard them saying "barack HUSSEIN obama." Maybe they have, but I would have figured I'd have heard more of an uproar about it. People saying "who is the REAL such and such" is typical politics. get over it.

10/6/2008 9:13:27 PM

a cop speaking before palin today shouted the HUSSEIN comment

10/6/2008 9:16:46 PM

there you go, then.

ignorant fools in the crowd. At best, we can only imagine that Obama vets his crowd better. Among other things

10/6/2008 9:22:47 PM

no, it wasn't an ignorant fool in the crowd. it was a police chief (pretty sure) that was speaking to the crowd, getting them amped up for palin to come out

EDIT: found a link

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"Lee County Sheriff Mike Scott took the stage moments ago as one of the introductory speakers at a rally here for Sarah Palin. After delivering brief remarks in support of Palin, Sheriff Scott flipped the switch and used Barack Obama’s middle name in order to incite the crowd of thousands of people who have already gathered here. “On Nov. 4, let’s leave Barack Hussein Obama wondering what happened,” the law enforcement officer said. UPDATE: Palin campaign spokesperson Tracey Schmitt issued the following statement on Sherriff Scott’s remarks: “We do not condone this inappropriate rhetoric which distracts from the real questions of judgment, character, and experience that voters will base their decisions on this November.” According to his web site, Scott became sheriff in 2005. “People could say running for sheriff took either courage, ignorance, or a combination of both,” Scott said on the web site. Many of the thousands of people in attendance roared their approval at Sheriff Scott’s dig at the Democratic nominee, whose Kenyan father shared the same exact name as his son. After Sheriff Scott left the podium, local radio host Mandy Connell took the stage next. She too drew a loud ovation when she said Obama “hangs around with terrorists.” "

the hussein comment wasn't exactly subtle

and the "hangs around with terrorists" comment is a straight out lie.

but, they came one after another. like i said, just laying out the bait...

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10/6/2008 9:25:34 PM

mmmhmmm. I'd lump the police chief in which the crowd, either way. He was probably trying to say something he thought was cool, when he really just looked like an asshole. I seriously doubt the McCain campaign told him to yell that. but it's ok, man, keep being delusional

10/6/2008 9:29:41 PM

I'm going to say this again:

Obama's relationship with Ayers is a non-issue. They served on some boards together, had a professional relationship, and happened to live in the same neighborhood. Ayers is now a professor at the University of Illinois, and is well-respected among his peers. He is an upstanding citizen, despite his sordid (and distant) past. Obama may be a better person for working with him.

The McCain camp would like to scare people by saying Obama is pals with a terrorist for his association. Well, then I guess the University of Illinois are pals with a terrorist, along with everyone else with whom he has had any sort of relationship. I'm sure a lot of his friends and colleagues would object to that.

You need to learn how to education youself about a subject and shut the fuck about it when you're wrong.

10/6/2008 9:31:49 PM

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"Obama's relationship with Ayers is a non-issue."

Keep telling yourself that.

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"They served on some boards together, had a professional relationship, and happened to live in the same neighborhood."

Oh, and Obama kicked off his career in Ayers' living room. You forgot that.

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"Ayers is now a professor at the University of Illinois, and is well-respected among his peers. "

Then I am afraid of his "peers," too, then. Because anyone who can be "respected" for bombing the fucking US Capitol building and showing NO FUCKING REMORSE is not someone I want to be around.

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"Well, then I guess the University of Illinois are pals with a terrorist"

Yes. yes they are, and they should be ashamed that they have on staff someone who fucking bombed our seat of government.

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"You need to learn how to education youself about a subject and shut the fuck about it when you're wrong."

I know exactly what I'm talking about. You need to stop reading Obama press releases and figure out who this man really is. He is NOT a saint. And we really ought to know exactly what his connections are to Obama. Because someone that far left being an associate of Obama is damning, no matter how much you try to paint your messiah otherwise

10/6/2008 9:38:27 PM

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"Then I am afraid of his "peers," too, then. Because anyone who can be "respected" for bombing the fucking US Capitol building and showing NO FUCKING REMORSE is not someone I want to be around. "

I don't think he actually bombed anything, except his own people (accidentally).

He wanted to though.

You're right that this might be an issue as it related to the electioneering, but it's not an issue as it relates to Obama as president. Ayers did this when Obama was 8 years old, and Ayers went in to hiding for 20 years as a result, which is well after Obama met Ayers. It's ludicrous to impugn someone based on what someone they know did WELL in their past. Half the people I know can be painted as scumbags for things they did in high school.

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10/6/2008 9:42:47 PM

"You need to learn how to education youself about a subject and shut the fuck about it when you're wrong."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Ayers

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obama%E2%80%93Ayers_controversy

Read them and be gone, because I know you haven't.

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"And we really ought to know exactly what his connections are to Obama."

Speak for yourself, ignoramus.

[Edited on October 6, 2008 at 9:51 PM. Reason : .]

10/6/2008 9:45:39 PM

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"the hussein comment wasn't exactly subtle and the "hangs around with terrorists" comment is a straight out lie. but, they came one after another. like i said, just laying out the bait... "

It's clear they're getting desperate. They're running out of time, and are heading for the biggest gap to date in the race, and their last hope is to try and swift boat Obama.

10/6/2008 9:48:07 PM

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"It's ludicrous to impugn someone based on what someone they know did WELL in their past."

You are right, and I'm not associating Obama with terrorist actions. I'd imply that the radical views of Ayers have shaped Obama politically. That's is, frankly, to be expected when one spends that much time around someone.

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"Read them and be gone, because I know you haven't. "

I already have. And I did so long before tonight. But, that wiki article glosses over Ayers and what he has said recently about the bombings. Further, that article practically reads verbatim as Obama's press-release about Ayers, so I can't help but at it.

10/6/2008 10:09:02 PM

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"He is NOT a saint."

Actually.......

http://leishacamden.blogspot.com/2008/10/not-that-it-matters.html

10/6/2008 10:10:57 PM

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"Does everybody have to be blindly patriotic? That's not true patriotism anyway. True patriotism means that you see the good AND the bad in your country, and if you have the means, try to change the bad to good."

Nobody said anything about blind patriotism. But Obama's wife and Wright's comments both make it seem like they're ashamed of their country, which isn't an acceptable attitude for a president, in my opinion.

When you're embarrassed and ashamed, you'll make concessions to others to improve the world's view of your country. While that's certainly not a horrible thing in most cases, it could be very dangerous in dealing with enemies like say, radical Islam. No matter how well received Obama is in the world and how he improves our reputation, radical Islam groups will ALWAYS be anti-America and taking the whole "well we're the ones that caused this problem with Bush & others so we deserve it RAWR RAWR" attitude is going to bite us in the ass when we don't take their threat seriously.

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"You're right that this might be an issue as it related to the electioneering, but it's not an issue as it relates to Obama as president. Ayers did this when Obama was 8 years old, and Ayers went in to hiding for 20 years as a result, which is well after Obama met Ayers. It's ludicrous to impugn someone based on what someone they know did WELL in their past. Half the people I know can be painted as scumbags for things they did in high school."

I don't condone the calling Obama a terrorist and the emphasis on Hussein or anything..

But I don't understand how you're so positive it's not an issue as it relates to Obama as president. Yeah, he did it when Obama was 8, what the fuck does that prove? I don't think anybody's suggesting Ayers showed Obama how to make a bomb and plant it in the White House. The whole radical left-wing attitude Ayers obviously had could have easily influenced Obama. The fact that he was a terrorist is just proof that he was as extreme as you can get. He may have stopped planning bombings but as he has never showed any regret for his actions, it's pretty clear that his beliefs and political views are probably pretty much the same. Again, I'm not saying there was a 100% chance Ayers had an influence on Obama but how can you say with 100% confidence that there wasn't?

10/6/2008 10:13:29 PM

because Obama is the messiah. He would never espouse anything that was bad for the nation. It doesn't hurt that Ayers was so right about the stuff he thought, anyway

do you suppose the press would give McCain a free pass if he had connections to an abortion-clinic-bomber?

[Edited on October 6, 2008 at 10:16 PM. Reason : ]

10/6/2008 10:15:39 PM