Would have been nice to see something like this, maybe something with Sid pointing towards Chapel Hill/Durham that said "Fear the Angry Black Man" or "This is MY State Now". At least instill hope. Pretty Ricky did it and got Chow in 2008 and the #1 LB and #1 TE in the nation for 2009 (and he's 10 miles from USC). The recruits signed after they went 4-8...



[Edited on December 24, 2008 at 12:23 PM. Reason : d]

12/24/2008 12:21:00 PM

^that worked out great for UCLA didnt it

12/24/2008 12:22:09 PM

Check the edit homey.

12/24/2008 12:23:36 PM

that was a real ballsy move and i'm sure i would've thought it was awesome had sid done it, but i really don't think something like that was warranted.

12/24/2008 12:25:55 PM

One year and Neuheisel sucks Tree?

Come on, he's a proven winner.

12/24/2008 12:27:21 PM

I posted it only in response to....

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"i think some of you guys think it should be easy to bring in a coach, into UNC's and Duke's backyard, and have success within a couple years...thats laughable that you think that way...what should Lowe have already been able to do that would show sufficient promise?"

Of course, the Football Monopoly in LA is not over. But the #1 TE they just signed had a letter of intent with SC. As an Alumnus, he has passion. Does Sid?

[Edited on December 24, 2008 at 12:29 PM. Reason : s]

12/24/2008 12:28:40 PM

i think he does, yeah.

12/24/2008 12:35:09 PM

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"One year and Neuheisel sucks Tree?"

no my point is, UCLA comes up with some slogan and ad campaign basically, talking about how USC is not going to run shit anymore...but USC still runs shit...they shut down UCLA, and therefore the claim that they are going to get rid of the USC monopoly is a joke...plus USC probably has the #2 and #3 LB and TE in the nation redshirting

now at the same time, its still too early to see what Neuheisel will do with UCLA, but he hasn't done anything on the field to lead anyone to believe that USC isn't still the monopoly

and yeah Sid has passion...I don't get where people wouldn't think he did...did Herb have passion? No of course not, he didn't even go to State...Sid has passion...and speaking of #1 TEs, Sid recruited a top 5 PF (Hickson) and has a 5 star recruit coming in next year (Leslie) and is recruiting the #1 PG and #1 PF in the nation in Wall and Favors

I just don't get all the hate on Sid, and I can only attribute it to having overly lofty and unrealistic expectations

12/24/2008 12:35:10 PM

Kinda like how Lowe hasn't done anything on the court to believe the Duke/UNC monopoly is over?

12/24/2008 12:37:46 PM

yes, and therefore making some signs that claimed the monopoly was over would be retarded, just like it was retarded for UCLA to do it

12/24/2008 12:39:02 PM

^^ right.

you know what they say, if he hasn't done it by now he never will. let's cut him loose.

[Edited on December 24, 2008 at 12:39 PM. Reason : ^]

12/24/2008 12:39:09 PM

lets just hire a new coach every single year...if you can beat UNC and Duke both, you can stay...for one more year...if you don't get a national title in your 2nd season, you're worthless and should be fired

12/24/2008 12:40:01 PM

^^^I don't think that was the point of the campaign. I think he was just saying "You ain't gonna run over us every year and take every recruit. I'm gonna do SOMETHING about it." And he has.

^I am just interested in seeing how the year plays out. I won't even check this thread very often. I know he's done some very nice things in 2.5 years and can continue to do more. BUT, there are many others who have done far more with the same amount of talent in recent memory.

[Edited on December 24, 2008 at 12:44 PM. Reason : d]

12/24/2008 12:40:04 PM

he's lost 28-7 so far, thats what he's done

and USC gets recruits from all over the country, who would rather come redshirt at USC than start at Ohio State and Texas...basically Carroll isn't worried one bit about Neuheisel's claims, and theres no reason for him to

I think the point of the campaign was to get the fans excited...hey I would get excited if Sidney promised us he would get rid of the UNC / Duke monopoly in the region, but i'd think it would be stupid to say and something you can only prove on the court/field

[Edited on December 24, 2008 at 12:43 PM. Reason : .]

12/24/2008 12:42:07 PM

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"I think he was just saying "You ain't gonna run over us every year and take every recruit. I'm gonna do SOMETHING about it.""

who was the last NC recruit that we wanted and carolina got? their recruiting is so national it's not even an issue.

12/24/2008 12:44:06 PM

IDK, probably Jordan, haha

12/24/2008 12:45:17 PM

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"well save your "Lowe is a failure" shit until then too, not after we start 7-2 because 2 star players hit some amazing late game shots"

I was also using the last two years...but I guess you could ignore those for your argument.

And it's not about 2 star players hitting shots...its about us not putting the game away because of retarded substitution patterns. We have the talent to beat those teams, but coaching mistakes cost us those games.

12/24/2008 1:25:31 PM

How would coaching have shut down Steph Curry from draining 30 footers? How is coaching going to stop Marquette's superior guards from scoring clutch 3's on our inferior guards? Please explain how coaching has anything to do with that? And you could easily argue that we don't have better talent than Davidson or Marquette, so don't act like we're loaded with blue chip recruits and losing games to inferior teams. Sometimes you have to actually give credit to the other team for playing well and hitting big shots. You can't just blame the coach for everything you don't like.

As far as substitution patterns, I guess you'd prefer a 6-7 man rotation where our starters play 36 minutes per game? And they're supposed to be able to continue that physically arduous rotation throughout a 40 game season and not get worn down? What about when we're in conference play and a couple starters foul out and we have to plug in subs for extended minutes...those subs will actually have game experience with Sid's rotation

This year we actually have serviceable enough backups to plug in for extended minutes and still keep the game close. Have we trailed any team this year by double digits? I just don't get all the hate unless you have expectations that are way too high

12/24/2008 1:35:14 PM

40 games? I'd be thrilled if they played 32 this year. And we haven't played a game this year where we should have trailed by 10 or more. The 6-7 man rotations have worked very well for some schools, but I get what you are saying.

12/24/2008 1:48:42 PM

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"How would coaching have shut down Steph Curry from draining 30 footers? How is coaching going to stop Marquette's superior guards from scoring clutch 3's on our inferior guards?"

If we had a better lineup in and we scored more points, it wouldn't have mattered how much the other team scored. I remember letting Eddie House light us the fuck up 5 or 6 years ago but we still beat ASU by 10+.

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"As far as substitution patterns, I guess you'd prefer a 6-7 man rotation where our starters play 36 minutes per game? And they're supposed to be able to continue that physically arduous rotation throughout a 40 game season and not get worn down? What about when we're in conference play and a couple starters foul out and we have to plug in subs for extended minutes...those subs will actually have game experience with Sid's rotation"

You can still give players rests and give other players experience without being a fucking retard about it. This isn't hockey...someone tell Sid we don't need line changes. And honestly...I'd rather have a tired Costner, Fells, McCauley out there at the end of a game then someone who can't even muster a shot up or is too scared to take one. But if you're going to run a small rotation, condition your players in the off-season. It's been done before.

And if a couple starters foul out...we're fucked anyways. It's not like our backups are going to carry us in wins over UNC or Duke. You gotta be realistic. We're just trying to make the tourney right now. And losses against Davidson and Marquette are not helping. You better hope this shitty substitution pattern helps us in the ACC, because we're going to need a 9-7/10-6 ACC record to get int he tourney when we don't have any good OOC wins to put on the resume.

Silver lining...I always do better in my bracket when I don't have to worry about how far my bias will put NC State in the tourney.

12/24/2008 1:51:10 PM

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"As far as substitution patterns, I guess you'd prefer a 6-7 man rotation where our starters play 36 minutes per game? And they're supposed to be able to continue that physically arduous rotation throughout a 40 game season and not get worn down? What about when we're in conference play and a couple starters foul out and we have to plug in subs for extended minutes...those subs will actually have game experience with Sid's rotation "

Two years ago we had a 6-7 man rotation and I think we made it to the finals of the tournament and finished 20-15. If Lowe keeps going 10-11 deep we are going to keep losing these type games. Dennis Horner should never sniff the floor unless the other team is playing zone. Honestly, Horner should turn his shit in and give State back his scholarship. Simon Harris is athletic, but has no offense and is not that great of a defender. CJ Williams isn't there yet. Johnny Thomas comes in and turns it over. Javi and Farnold are subpar point guards. Mays has potential.

Tracy Smith is the only bench player worth a damn on this team so far. Lowe shouldn't go deeper than 8/9 players because everyone else sucks ass beyond that point.

12/24/2008 1:54:44 PM

The only way to know how good our reserves are is to play them...all these games are really setting up is conference play...IF we have a good conference record, like 10-6, that will get us into the tourney...if the Davidson and Marquette losses (close losses to ranked teams) cost us a spot in the tourney, it will be because we underachieved in conference play...why not use the first couple months of the season to find out the best way to utilize your roster?

I just don't understand panicking in December

also, i, too, have much better bracket success when State isn't in it (lol I won my pool last year and finished 2nd the year before)

[Edited on December 24, 2008 at 2:09 PM. Reason : .]

12/24/2008 2:08:19 PM

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"And if a couple starters foul out...we're fucked anyways. It's not like our backups are going to carry us in wins over UNC or Duke. You gotta be realistic."

we're not going to beat unc or duke no matter what this year. i think it is you who needs to be realistic.

12/24/2008 2:08:42 PM

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"we're not going to beat unc or duke no matter what this year. i think it is you who needs to be realistic."

We've beat them with worse teams (when they've had just as good teams). I'm not expecting to win or even be close in any of those games...but I do know that our reserves aren't going to matter. It's going to be a starter or two just going nuts.

12/24/2008 2:30:21 PM

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""i think some of you guys think it should be easy to bring in a coach, into UNC's and Duke's backyard, and have success within a couple years...thats laughable that you think that way...what should Lowe have already been able to do that would show sufficient promise?""

yea I was going to post the same thing, no coach at another major program is going to want to come here to deal with intense pressure to compete with two hall of fame coaches down the road that get top five recruiting classes every year

I hate to be pessimistic but state is basically the odd man out, they either have to get a guy with intense loyalty to the program or some kind of up and comer like billy donovan or something

12/24/2008 2:31:13 PM

i think people just need to calm the fuck down until we get into the meat of our schedule.

Bickering over two losses to top 25 teams in the waning seconds just makes you look like a moron.


If you don't wanna throw the record around, you should also be patient enough to bitch only when you have a valid argument

12/24/2008 2:34:32 PM

The point is we are playing the easiest schedule possibly ever in NCSU's history. We play THREE, count em, three decent OOC teams. We already lost to 2. If we don't beat Florida, we almost have to go 10-6 to even sniff the tournament. That's why our RPI is like 114.

12/24/2008 4:49:21 PM

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"We've beat them with worse teams (when they've had just as good teams)."

carolina's team has never been this good.

12/24/2008 5:08:09 PM

^Meh...I think the starting 5 of Felton, McCants, May, Terry, and Jawad Williams was pretty fucking sick. Then lottery pick Marvin Williams coming off the bench. Defensive stoppers and athletes Manuel and Noel. They pretty much handled a then unbeaten Illinois the whole game.

And the difference of talent between UNC and State this year is no greater is has been in the past when they were full of McDAAs and we were full of top-250 recruits...but still managed to eek out some wins.

12/24/2008 5:17:26 PM

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"all these games are really setting up is conference play...IF we have a good conference record, like 10-6, that will get us into the tourney..."

Don't be silly. The chances of us actually winning 10 games in conference are slim to none. Our best NCAAT chance this year would have been to win 8 games and win two of the only three non conference games we had that were worth a damn.

Our schedule is just way too easy to have any realistic chance at this point... I don't think it's being too harsh at all to criticize Lowe for not giving his team the best chance to win. There is NO reason to have 2 of our big 3 (Fells, McCauley and Costner) -- or all 3 in Marquette's case -- on the bench with 7:00 to go in a tie game... that is just flat out stupid and I know you know enough basketball to realize that.

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"it will be because we underachieved in conference play"

Underachieved? Are you fucking serious? Anything over 6 wins in conference is overachieving this year.

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"That's why our RPI is like 114."

175 with a SOS of 317 (out of 341)

[Edited on December 24, 2008 at 6:13 PM. Reason : x]

12/24/2008 6:11:11 PM

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"There is NO reason to have 2 of our big 3 (Fells, McCauley and Costner) -- or all 3 in Marquette's case -- on the bench with 7:00 to go in a tie game"

But with 6:00 left and a tie game, Sid put all three of them back in...I don't see why that one minute makes such a huge difference...if anything it would give our big 3 an extra minute of rest so they could play with more energy down the stretch

And while I don't think we'll win 10 conference games, I think we should easily win 6. Last year we went 4-12, which is very bad, but we started off 4-4 iirc...UNC, Duke, Wake and Clemson are playing great, but all the other teams in the conference are beatable

12/24/2008 11:32:18 PM

There's a better way to give all 3 guys a breather without getting them all out at the same time. Take them out one at a time, not at the same time. You can't leave your team out of options on offense at any period of a close game.

12/24/2008 11:46:44 PM

it's refreshing to agree with twista so fully.

12/24/2008 11:47:02 PM

^^if we had blown some big lead with them out, i'd agree with you...or if we took them out when it was tied, and brought them back in down big, i'd agree with you...but it was a tie game when we brought them back in...all of them were on the floor when their guard hit that final 3 pointer...i think you guys are just looking for someone to blame for the loss, when in this case i think we just have to give credit to marquette

^

12/24/2008 11:54:08 PM

the only decision i questioned in the game was having degand in at the end when mays had done better that evening. but an argument could be made that degand had handled end of game situations before (old spice championship last year), so he may be able to handle the pressure better.

12/25/2008 12:09:51 AM

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"But with 6:00 left and a tie game, Sid put all three of them back in"

My opinion is that if the game is close...whether we're in the lead, tied, or down a couple points...you need to have AT LEAST one of those guys in. Those are our go-to scorers. When all three are out, our offense is basically useless. There's about a 5% chance of getting points off of an offensive set with those guys out. We just have to hope for fast break points, put-backs, or maybe posting Tracy Smith up for baskets when they are gone.

With our limited offensive options you HAVE TO stagger substituting those guys.

And I think 10-6 is hell-freezing over. 9-7 and there's a good chance we still don't get in tourney, and 8-8 (which I think we'll be lucky of getting to) has a very small chance of getting us in. The ACC still quite isn't what it use to be when 7-9 could get you in.

12/25/2008 12:22:01 AM

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"or maybe posting Tracy Smith up for baskets when they are gone."

maybe posting up tracy smith? he averages 0.7 points per minute. there's no maybe about it, that dude fucking scores. he had 10 points in 12 minutes in the marquette game for the record.

12/25/2008 12:36:25 AM

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"if we had blown some big lead with them out, i'd agree with you...or if we took them out when it was tied, and brought them back in down big, i'd agree with you...but it was a tie game when we brought them back in"

What if we left two of them in and in that period, we came out +4 instead of breaking even? Then a last second 3 still means we're up 1. There should never be a point in a game where Fells, Costner and McCauley are out at the same time, never. All 3 need to be in 30 minutes together and the other 10 minutes should be used to rest one or two of them interchangeably. That's the only way we'll be successful. The only reasons all 3 are sitting on the bench would be because of injury/foul trouble or a lopsided game.

12/25/2008 12:48:11 AM

Whose to say whether or not we hold the lead? The fact is, we brought the starters back in with a tie score, and if we're so much better than Marquette, the starters should've been able to lead us to victory...and they nearly did, but Marquette's guard made a heck of a shot of his own...Lowe has put us in position to win every game, but players on Davidson and Marquette have just stepped up and made big plays

12/25/2008 1:00:54 AM

why the fuck is everyone acting like we are suddenly without a tough OOC schedule?

do you not remember how mind-numbingly simple Herb's OOC schedules were?

shit, we're doing something here getting Marquette and Florida on the schedule. It's an improvement over last years, definitely.

12/25/2008 3:12:34 AM

ok, I'm tired of the criticism. He's played 2 top 25 teams and nearly lost and we're mad? Let him freaking coach, Sid I am a big fan.

12/25/2008 7:57:51 AM

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"UNC, Duke, Wake and Clemson are playing great, but all the other teams in the conference are beatable"

Clemson will be falling into the were category here soon, if history is any indicator .

12/25/2008 4:20:20 PM

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" why the fuck is everyone acting like we are suddenly without a tough OOC schedule? do you not remember how mind-numbingly simple Herb's OOC schedules were? shit, we're doing something here getting Marquette and Florida on the schedule. It's an improvement over last years, definitely."

You hate Herb so much that you make up lies?

Our schedule this year is the easiest in the history of NCSU basketball. If you try and say we are playing a tough schedule, then you really are one of the dumbest people who think they know basketball. It's ranked 317/341 right now thanks to NyM410 for that info.

[Edited on December 25, 2008 at 4:52 PM. Reason : lol at GenghisJohn]

12/25/2008 4:50:49 PM

Overall I thought there were some positive signs to take away from the Marquette game. They are a pretty solid team and we showed we can hang with them.

But to ignore the glaring negatives is a mistake. First of all, you have to win games occasionally. This is basketball. We are an ACC team not some cinderella that should get credit for trying.

Lowe hasn't shown he can win yet. We have a chronic history of losing spread across three seasons.

To say he put us in position to win that game is looking through rose colored glasses.

You could just as easily say he put us in position to lose that game. He wasted a few fine performances (notably Costner) by playing scrubs for most of the game. I can't believe he went with scrubs for so long down the stretch. We literally had an offense that could not score out there for five solid minutes.

Starting Ferguson is an obvious mistake, but using him down the stretch is cataclysmic.

This guy just has not figured out this isn't the NBA where every team has ten guys who can play. We have to thin the rotation immediately. Sure, we'll lose a few games due to fatigue but we are going to lose a hell of lot more if we continue to play guys major minutes that can't play.

I like Mays but with 6 minutes left in the game he shouldn't be our number one option on the court.

Mays, Horner, and Ferguson in the game down the stretch? That's indefensible.

12/25/2008 5:02:40 PM

I hate the let the other team run out the clock for the last shot and pray they miss defense. It bites you in the ass more times than not. And come on Ben, gotta make those free throws.

[Edited on December 25, 2008 at 6:29 PM. Reason : ]

12/25/2008 6:28:34 PM

and this years schedule is easier than last years?

cause it isn't.

i'm not saying we're playing a tough schedule, i'm saying that we always play easy schedules. shit, look at UNC's schedule. fucking cakewalk. my point is, what the fuck are people all of the sudden getting upset that we have an easy first half of the season?

my point is, you fucks are finding anything you can to be pissed about. we're going to be an average team this year, barring any kind of ncsu miracle. let's see how the recruits pan out the next couple of years, and then judge.

[Edited on December 25, 2008 at 7:18 PM. Reason : .]

12/25/2008 7:14:49 PM

screw that, I'm not waiting until the next couple of years. I (and my opinion) judge that he has run our program into the ground.

Spout off 7-2 all you want, I think it will be a miracle to get to the NIT this season. Face it people, we are the cellar dwellars of the ACC. It's terrible.

12/25/2008 8:12:43 PM

good, then lets just fire him and piss away Lorenzo Brown and Richard Howell. and any opportunity of landing John Wall and one of the top two centers in the nation.

definitely running the program into the ground.

12/25/2008 8:29:20 PM

somebody call whine one one, we need a waaaaaaaaaaaaambulace stat

12/25/2008 10:32:09 PM

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"screw that, I'm not waiting until the next couple of years."

what's your plan then? b/c he sure as shit isn't getting fired.

12/26/2008 12:00:36 AM