I mean you gotta have some brass balls to come out and say:

"I've never one day in my life did something that I shouldn't have done."



[Edited on October 29, 2014 at 3:04 PM. Reason : Pic for page 52]

10/29/2014 3:03:36 PM

No, just extremely arrogant or delusional.

And a LIAR

10/29/2014 3:04:39 PM

If you don't normally talk in third person (and let's be honest...only idiots talk in 3rd person)...and someone confronts you with something, and you respond in third person...

then you're guilty as fuck.

10/29/2014 3:06:16 PM

it's going to be so glorious when the smoking gun gets found

sanctions and banners being taken down is great and all, but when he finally gets got? maaaaaaaaaaaaan

[Edited on October 29, 2014 at 3:12 PM. Reason : it's totally gonna happen, too]

10/29/2014 3:11:14 PM

fuck roy williams

10/29/2014 3:13:00 PM

You guys mean that you don't believe good ol' Roy when he says that he was the lone member of UNC athletics that was totally & completely unaware of everything that was going on?

10/29/2014 3:15:27 PM

John Swofford broke into Cambria Suites and stole a bag containing cocaine. John Swofford laced cocaine with deworming agent and sold it to Pat Dabney. John Swofford is a thief and a liar.

10/29/2014 3:19:42 PM

Quote :

""Mark Armstrong ?@ArmstrongABC11 Swofford tells me post press conf that there's no scenario wherein the ACC would sanction UNC independent of what the NCAA decides.""

This makes me the angriest of all.

10/29/2014 3:24:10 PM

^wonder what Clemson fans think of that

Of course, from his perspective, it wouldn't make sense to punish UNC over and above any NCAA punishment if YOU YOURSELF were involved in/responsible for the wrong-doing.

[Edited on October 29, 2014 at 3:30 PM. Reason : add another note]

10/29/2014 3:28:21 PM

NO SCENARIO, hahaha. I'm sure he's given Emmert a couple tugjobs to make sure the NCAA weasels their way out of this

10/29/2014 3:28:40 PM

me and ^ had the privilege of having Butch Davis basically bullshitting us right to our face a few years ago when all of this first started

Roy is in a different league of bullshitting



[Edited on October 29, 2014 at 3:32 PM. Reason : adversity adversity adversity ]

10/29/2014 3:31:00 PM

Quote :

"Mark Armstrong ?@ArmstrongABC11 Swofford tells me post press conf that there's no scenario wherein the ACC would sanction UNC independent of what the NCAA decides."

Quote :

"This makes me the angriest of all."

This. And this:

Quote :

"^wonder what Clemson fans think of that Of course, from his perspective, it wouldn't make sense to punish UNC over and above any NCAA punishment if YOU YOURSELF were involved in/responsible for the wrong-doing."

Conflict of interest. Perhaps this scandal should take Swofford down as well.

10/29/2014 3:41:18 PM

Quote :

"Andrew Carter ?@_andrewcarter 5m5 minutes ago Roy defending Wayne Walden now. "Wayne Walden is one of the most ethical people I've ever known in my life.""

Word?

[Edited on October 29, 2014 at 3:43 PM. Reason : word]

10/29/2014 3:41:22 PM

I mean Roy may be the least guilty as far as taking advantage of the system in place because he knew where this was headed and thats why he pulled kids out... but you dont do that unless you knew what was going on and just chose not to say anything and distance yourself as much as possible.

10/29/2014 3:45:31 PM

Yeah but Roy said he had an issue with the "clustering" of so many players in AFAM. Yet, why didn't he have a problem with the entire 2009 team majoring in Communications?

10/29/2014 3:50:47 PM

He should have known. That should be enough to fuck him as it has many others, like V.

Maybe someone can convince one of these disgraced academic counselors to go all McQueary on Roy.

10/29/2014 3:51:29 PM

Gottfried talking about being involved in academics on 99.9.

Couple side shots at Roy if you read between the lines.

10/29/2014 3:53:28 PM

Yep. Roy claims to have noticed the clustering of students in AFAM courses, so he asked his academic people to do something about that. That's obviously suspicion, at the very least. If he suspected something why not have it looked into? And if he didnt suspect anything, why have make a big deal about moving his players out of those classes.

fuck roy's lying, cheating ass

10/29/2014 3:56:55 PM

Quote :

"Swofford: With this latest report, UNC beyond any institution i have seen, as far as transparency."

Just took a few years, numerous 'independent' reports, and rival fans for them to be transparent.

Fuck Swofford, Roy and UNC.

10/29/2014 4:09:41 PM

^Exactly why Swofford should be removed.

10/29/2014 4:12:27 PM

GOD MY HATE RUNS SO DEEP

10/29/2014 4:13:20 PM

http://www.newsobserver.com/2014/10/29/4275202_acc-commissioner-swofford-saw.html

ACC commissioner Swofford: Saw no warning signs as UNC’s AD
By Andrew Carter

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"CHARLOTTE — John Swofford, the ACC commissioner, said that during his final years at North Carolina he saw no warning signs, sensed no red flags, about bogus independent studies courses that for nearly two decades inflated athletes' GPAs and helped keep them eligible."

Click to read the rest, and reward the N&O for following this so diligently.

http://www.newsobserver.com/2014/10/29/4275202_acc-commissioner-swofford-saw.html

[Edited on October 29, 2014 at 4:32 PM. Reason : ]

10/29/2014 4:14:10 PM

Quote :

"I think if you look at (the Wainstein) report there, in my last few years there, there were some, in terms of numbers, very relatively minimal, independent study classes and AFAM,” Swofford said. “But that really took off in about 2000. “So it never came up while I was there as an issue from any source. If it had, obviously, we would have addressed that with the appropriate people. But it never arose as any issue at all.”"

Is this true? Somebody that's more familiar with the report than I am can maybe answer that

10/29/2014 4:19:48 PM

^^Begs the question... what warning signs is he missing as the ACC commissioner?

10/29/2014 4:24:06 PM

^^^ don't post the text on articles like this... let's reward newspapers that keep this going w/ clicks.

10/29/2014 4:29:25 PM

Quote :

"So it never came up while I was there as an issue from any source. If it had, obviously, we would have addressed that with the appropriate people. But it never arose as any issue at all."

It never arose as an issue because everyone involved was perfectly okay with it or intentionally kept themselves just distant enough to claim ignorance (see: Roy Williams, Butch Davis, and all the rest). Incredible.

10/29/2014 4:29:54 PM

Quote :

"Aaron Brenner @Aaron_Brenner · 21m 21 minutes ago Roy Williams: "I’ve never had a player ineligible. If you want to be a cynic & say, ‘no joke, with what they did,’ that’s a bunch of crap.”"

Jesus. As if that's a completely unreasonable conclusion to arrive at.

Roy has never had an ineligible player. UNC has been systemically keeping players eligible for 2 decades.

No joke, Roy.

10/29/2014 4:36:36 PM

Roy is the forefront of the denial campaign.

10/29/2014 4:57:24 PM

the more times he refers to crap and shit, the more we know thats what he is full of.

[Edited on October 29, 2014 at 4:58 PM. Reason : s]

10/29/2014 4:58:41 PM

NC State (Yow and Woodson, etc) should be talking to other ADs/presidents in the ACC about removing Swofford from his commissioner role. Seriously leaving him in place with the evidence now revealed is damaging to the ACC brand.

10/29/2014 5:07:53 PM

Roy and Jimbo fisher learned the same art of acting like the trusting, gullible fool.

They'd rather come across as an idiot than to have to face reality. The trouble is, idiots can't skate by this kind of thing. This takes thought.

10/29/2014 5:34:40 PM

"I have never had a player ineligible, to my knowledge, that played for us. PJ? Strickland? Well they were ineligible but I sat their rear ends on the bench and didn't play them"

10/29/2014 5:35:46 PM

Quote :

"Shannon Penn @Shannon_Penn · 5m 5 minutes ago Williams: there were things said in the Wainstein reports that just didn't happen"

HAHAHAHHA

10/29/2014 5:49:20 PM

10/29/2014 6:39:59 PM

Roy sounds like a fucking idiot right now.

10/29/2014 7:18:34 PM

There is no way Tyler Hansbrough would be eligible without fake classes.

That guy is dumb as crap.

10/29/2014 9:42:54 PM

^ he did jump off the balcony of a frat house into a pool didn't he?

Quote :

""I think if you look at (the Wainstein) report there, in my last few years there, there were some, in terms of numbers, very relatively minimal, independent study classes and AFAM,” Swofford said. “But that really took off in about 2000. “So it never came up while I was there as an issue from any source. If it had, obviously, we would have addressed that with the appropriate people. But it never arose as any issue at all.”""

so we're ignoring Burgess McSwain and her successor setting this up with the AFAM Department in the '90s Mr. Swofford?

it may never arose as an issue to you because quite simply you wanted to know as little as possible about it to retain the right of denial, and this is what passes for leadership

[Edited on October 29, 2014 at 10:36 PM. Reason : /]

10/29/2014 10:31:44 PM

Swofford's comments have more commas than UNC has fake classes

That's how you know he's full of shit

10/29/2014 10:39:52 PM

Swofford was the AD at UNC. That's how you know he's full of shit.

10/29/2014 10:50:11 PM

For something even more unlikely than the NCAA death penalty and would be far worse, one college president argues for UNC-Chapel Hill to lose accreditation in the Chronicle of Higher Education:

http://chronicle.com/blogs/conversation/2014/10/24/unc-chapel-hill-should-lose-accreditation/?cid=at&utm_content=buffer75cf9&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer

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"October 24, 2014 by Brian Rosenberg UNC-Chapel Hill Should Lose Accreditation The revelations from the report on the academic-fraud scandal at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill have been startling: More than 3,000 students over a period of 18 years were awarded grades and credit for nonexistent courses. But much of what has been said and written to date about the extraordinary failures in ethics and oversight seems to miss both the seriousness of the misbehavior and the extent to which it strikes at the core of any college or university. This is not chiefly an athletics issue, though the students involved are disproportionately intercollegiate athletes. Nor is it primarily a matter for the NCAA, which is more a cause of than a solution to the problem of athletics in American higher education. This is an issue of institutional integrity, a violation of the most basic assumption upon which the credibility of any college or university is based: that the grades and credits represented on the transcripts of its students are an accurate reflection of the work actually done. Absent this assurance, a transcript—a degree—from the institution has lost its meaning. What has been uncovered in the Wainstein report at Chapel Hill is not an isolated incident but a barely concealed process of falsification that persisted for well over a decade, involved more than one in five of all the university’s athletes during that period, and was either known to or willfully ignored by many officials in positions of responsibility. Accreditation for the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill is provided by the Southern Association of Colleges and Schools. Here is one of the “Core Requirements for Accreditation” as specified by SACS: -The institution provides instruction for all course work required for at least one degree program at each level at which it awards degrees. If the institution does not provide instruction for all such course work and (1) makes arrangements for some instruction to be provided by other accredited institutions or entities through contracts or consortia or (2) uses some other alternative approach to meeting this requirement, the alternative approach must by approved by the Commission on Colleges. In both cases, the institution demonstrates that it controls all aspects of its academic program. Again, this is a “core requirement” for accreditation, and I suppose that the “alternative approach” taken was … no instruction at all. One might also point to the federal requirement that “the institution has policies and procedures for determining the credit hours awarded for courses and programs that conform to commonly accepted practices in higher education and to commission policy.” Or to the SACS standard that “the institution assumes responsibility for the academic quality of any course work or credit recorded on the institution’s transcript.” I have little interest in whatever penalties the NCAA chooses to impose upon Chapel Hill’s athletics programs or that the university chooses to impose upon itself. As I said, this is not fundamentally an issue about sports but about the basic academic integrity of an institution. Any accrediting agency that would overlook a violation of this magnitude would both delegitimize itself and appear hopelessly hypocritical if it attempted, now or in the future, to threaten or sanction institutions—generally those with much less wealth and influence—for violations much smaller in scale. Most of us work very hard to conform to the standards imposed by our regional accrediting agencies and the federal government. If falsified grades and transcripts for more than 3,000 students over more than a decade are viewed as anything other than an egregious violation of those standards, my response to the whole accreditation process is simple: Why bother? I have read many responses to the report of corruption at Chapel Hill. Some argue that those at the center of the activities were simply trying to help at-risk students, to which my response is that awarding credits and grades without providing instruction is not “help” in any sense that I can accept. In the case of student athletes, I see it as closer to exploitation for the benefit of the university. Some argue that this behavior is widespread among institutions with highly visible Division I sports programs and therefore should provoke no particular surprise or outrage. I hope that this last claim is untrue. If it is, however, the only way to alter such behavior is to respond with force and clarity when it is uncovered. Reducing the number of athletic scholarships at Chapel Hill, or vacating wins, or banning teams from postseason competition, is in each case a punishment wholly unsuitable to the crime. The crime involves fundamental academic integrity. The response, regardless of the visibility or reputation or wealth of the institution, should be to suspend accredited status until there is evidence that an appropriate level of integrity is both culturally and structurally in place. Anything less would be dismissive of the many institutions whose transcripts actually have meaning. Brian C. Rosenberg is the president of Macalester College."

10/29/2014 10:57:55 PM

10/29/2014 11:04:57 PM

That's the first piece of work, in all of this, that has been written by a true academic scholar. That's the standard of writing that Carolina claims to hold their students and faculty to, and yet all of the "writing" I have seen from their "faculty" has been quite unprofessional.

10/29/2014 11:14:29 PM

^ looks like despite the tiny private school he's the president of, he's a pretty influential guy,

Quote :

"Rosenberg is active nationally, serving as a member of the Leadership Circle of the Presidents' Climate Commitment, the Council on Foreign Relations' Higher Education Working Group, the Presidents' Trust of the Association of American Colleges and Universities, the Presidents' Advisory Board of the Bonner Foundation, and as a member of the board of the Teagle Foundation. He is a past chair of the board of the Associated Colleges of the Midwest, the American Council on Education's Commission on International Initiatives, and of the Presidents' Council of Project Pericles. ...He has been quoted in the press on a variety of issues including higher education access and quality, tuition costs, and college rankings. He also writes about education on his Huffington Post blog and in The Chronicle of Higher Education."

I imagine he has to know he's pissing in the wind on this one, if authorities both accrediting and federal did nothing to Penn State when they protected a pedophile, they're not doing anything here. If Carolina actually lost accreditation, all students would be ineligible for federal student financial aid, their degrees would not be automatically recognized as credible, for sports I think one of the conditions for NCAA membership is the university must be accredited

if you're interested in a solely academic point of view from a forum about this scandal (sorry, there's no thread in the Lounge: http://chronicle.com/forums/index.php/topic,172541.15.html )

[Edited on October 29, 2014 at 11:42 PM. Reason : /]

10/29/2014 11:34:45 PM

^ What the hell does what happened at Penn State have to do with academics/accreditation?

10/29/2014 11:49:18 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clery_Act

accreditation no, academics on a federal level (federal financial aid eligibility: if a school's deemed noncompliant by the DOE, they could lose a lot of money) yes

[Edited on October 30, 2014 at 12:06 AM. Reason : .]

10/30/2014 12:02:16 AM

The AFAM Dept individually could lose accreditation.

10/30/2014 12:08:54 AM

WTVD Channel 11 a few hours ago:

http://abc11.com/sports/unc-accreditation-under-review/372365/

Quote :

"CHAPEL HILL, N.C. (WTVD) -- The Southern Association of Colleges and Schools is once again evaluating the accreditation status of UNC-Chapel Hill. SACS President Dr. Belle Wheelan confirmed Wednesday that the association has received a copy of the Wainstein report. "We will read the report, check it against our principles, and see if anything puts them out of compliance," Wheelan said. SACS will likely send a letter to UNC-Chapel Hill by the end of next week, notifying the University of any core value violations, according to Wheelan. UNC will then have 30 days to respond and detail any course of action they are taking to correct those violations. When asked about the accreditation review, UNC Provost Jim Dean told ABC11, "The entire university should not be punished for the academic fraud that went on for nearly 20 years." SACS, which has 804 institutions under its jurisdiction, has a lengthy list of core values upon which it bases its accreditation. The SACS board meets in December and June, but the executive council does have the power to act outside of those two meetings if circumstances warrant. In Jan. 2013, UNC was put on notice by SACS when the AFAM scandal first surfaced. SACS sent a strongly worded letter advising UNC to take immediate actions to pull itself into compliance accreditation standards. Eighteen months later, SACS said the school had a reform plan in place and would retain its accreditation. The Wainstein report "will be treated as a completely new issue", Wheelan said. "Right now, UNC is fully accredited, nothing has changed and nothing will change until the board has acted." Once SACS completes its review and UNC responds it will be up to the association to either put UNC on warning, on probation or drop the school from membership UNC Chapel Hill Provost Jim Dean responded Wednesday to an op-ed that ran in The Chronicle of Higher Education last week. Brian Rosenberg, President of Macalester College, said UNC should lose its accreditation over the findings revealed in the Wainstein report. Dean told ABC11 that the entire university should not be punished for the academic fraud that went on for nearly 20 years. "During that period of time that the report represents, we had about 97,000 students and about 3,000 of those students were engaged at the most in this activity," said Dean. "So as bad as it was, to say that it represents the whole university is pretty disingenuous.""

10/30/2014 12:20:44 AM

Somebody on PP I think (oh no!) brought up a point that while over 50% of the students in the fake classes were athletes, leaving lots of non-athletes, that lots of the non-athletes were possibly people like cheerleaders, team managers, team volunteers, etc other types of personnel who might have worked in the athletic field while not being technically athletes

10/30/2014 12:26:19 AM

Quote :

"The entire university should not be punished for the academic fraud that went on for nearly 20 years."

that is an incredible quote.

Quote :

"SACS sent a strongly worded letter"

LOL

10/30/2014 12:27:15 AM

Quote :

"The entire university should not be punished for the academic fraud that went on for nearly 20 years."

lmao

10/30/2014 12:32:17 AM