for the record, i like TOB

but he still hasn't won an ACC Atlantic road game yet. that's pretty rough.

9/2/2012 6:38:29 PM

Honestly, I hated the hire when he first came on board, but he's done better than I thought he would, but he HAS to get better talent in...


even though he is an ass and a retard, Petrino would be very interesting, and potentially awesome, but I dont see Yow going that route...

9/2/2012 6:57:38 PM

its a good thing we know TOB can bring in guys like Russell Wilson to get us one win away from an ACC atlantic title. That would be a dream come true if we could ever do it again and guise...ITS POSSIBLE UNDER TOB.

and lets face it. All of the coaches who are better than TOB are coaching at places like LSU.

9/2/2012 7:32:05 PM

2-star recruit Russell Wilson

9/2/2012 7:41:24 PM

Yes, the guy who's only other scholarship offer was to Duke and who committed before TOB was named head coach.

Let's not act like Tom O'Brien has some amazing track record of spotting diamond in the rough talent that no one else sees. He's got a nice history of developing O-linemen at BC, but other than that he's not known as a great recruiter. His strong point has always been getting the most out of average players.

The idea with him was that moving to a bigger school with better facilities would mean that instead of bringing in 2-3 star guys like at BC he would be able to bring in more 3s and the occasional 4 star recruits. Then he'd develop them.

I haven't seen much of that thus far, have you?

He's compiled a 33-30 overall record here in 5 years. Amato was 49-37 in 7. It just hasn't been much of an upgrade thus far and I don't see a lot of reason for optimism on the horizon.

9/2/2012 8:05:01 PM

33-30 is not too hot but 17-9 the last 2 years is pretty good

i just think its WAY too early in the season to seriously talk about getting a new coach

9/2/2012 8:13:52 PM

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"Let's not act like Tom O'Brien has some amazing track record of spotting diamond in the rough talent that no one else sees."

[Edited on September 2, 2012 at 8:16 PM. Reason : .]

9/2/2012 8:14:40 PM

he recruited Flacco that same year

both QBs were 3-stars

damn Raji was a 2-star

[Edited on September 2, 2012 at 8:21 PM. Reason : blowjob]

[Edited on September 2, 2012 at 8:24 PM. Reason : scout doesnt go back far enough to see what Snee was rated]

9/2/2012 8:20:00 PM

the man's been a head coach since 1997. naming two players that he's put in the NFL is hardly spectacular.

i'm all for TOB, but don't pretend like he's a magician. he recruits mediocre players and gets mediocre results. that's it.

9/2/2012 8:29:20 PM

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"naming two players Pro Bowlers that he's put in the NFL is hardly spectacular."

Snee made multiple Pro Bowls...not sure if he was a 2* or 3* recruit like Raji and Ryan though

[Edited on September 2, 2012 at 8:31 PM. Reason : .]

9/2/2012 8:31:05 PM

that's still not really the point.

it's also completely irrelevant. you argue about recruiting for coaches that haven't had their own program long enough to look at the results. this is not the case for TOB.

9/2/2012 8:33:27 PM

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"i just think its WAY too early in the season to seriously talk about getting a new coach"

9/2/2012 8:33:50 PM

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"you argue about recruiting for coaches that haven't had their own program long enough to look at the results."

which is why i countered the 33-30 through 5 years argument with 17-9 the last 2 years

you know, once he's had his program long enough to look at the results

9/2/2012 8:36:37 PM

okay so what's your point?

in the window that you handpicked his average season is 8.5-4.5. that's pretty mediocre.

it's fine. it's really not a big deal to have mediocre football teams at nc state. he's a traditional coach that likes to recruit nice kids and see if he can't coach them up to win a bowl game. that's fine. but let's not pretend that the jury is still out on him. we know exactly what he is. he'll even tell you himself. the goal that he instills in his team in camp is to win the acc. he's not trying to run the table and win a title. again, this is fine.

9/2/2012 8:41:03 PM

lol if 8-5 and 9-4 are mediocre, what would you call 6-6? is 11-3 "pretty good"?

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"the goal that he instills in his team in camp is to win the acc."

and?

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"he's not trying to run the table and win a title."

9/2/2012 8:43:56 PM

are you fucking serious? have you never watched football before? what the fuck man?

so in college football there are schools of different sizes. the big schools play the small schools and get easy wins. then when the big schools play the big schools the wins are harder to come by.

those two seasons he went 5-3 and 4-4 in conference. so yes, i think those are mediocre results.

9/2/2012 8:46:52 PM

i'd say 4-4 is the epitome of mediocrity

but i'm not gonna shit on a 9-4 season as being just average either, when we played one cupcake that year

i don't expect to compete in football with Florida State, Clemson and Virginia Tech on a year-in year-out basis, but I think you and others are flipping the fuck out after 1 game versus a historical SEC football program

9/2/2012 8:53:08 PM

We should be in contention for national titles year in and year out in every sport. Period.

9/2/2012 9:15:50 PM

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"The idea with him was that moving to a bigger school with better facilities would mean that instead of bringing in 2-3 star guys like at BC he would be able to bring in more 3s and the occasional 4 star recruits. Then he'd develop them. I haven't seen much of that thus far, have you?"

There's eight 4 star recruits (according to rivals) on the depth chart right now, but why let facts get in the way of rhetoric.

9/2/2012 9:27:11 PM

and a college roster contains players from over 5, occasionally 6, recruiting classes so that's an average of under 2 per class

it's not even so much about stars in black and white. it's about getting legit talent. if every player on our roster was their position's equivalent of russell wilson we'd own the acc. the problem is that for every wilson there are 5 daniel evans

9/2/2012 9:57:24 PM

I guess I'm just having trouble understanding your definition of "talent."

9/2/2012 10:01:28 PM

^^Evans started over Wilson. Just saying.


We could have a good QB waiting on TOB's bench

9/2/2012 10:02:35 PM

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"it's not even so much about stars in black and white. it's about getting legit talent."

That's fine if you actually bother to investigate recruits beyond just "4 star good, 3 star bad", but if all you do is look at the stars and make snap judgments you should probably just shut the fuck up because everyone else can look at profile pages too.

9/2/2012 10:08:50 PM

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"i don't expect to compete in football with Florida State, Clemson and Virginia Tech on a year-in year-out basis, but I think you and others are flipping the fuck out after 1 game versus a historical SEC football program"

i'm not flipping out at all, i'm fine w/ tob (something that i stated about six times in a single post). i just like for us all to be able to sit down and call a spade a spade.

9/2/2012 10:41:08 PM

Something to +100 from the weekend.

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"@PackPride: TOB and the Pack stop by and see Blair Holliday in Atl before the UT game"

9/2/2012 11:38:09 PM

^Can't argue the off the field improvements. He preaches character.

[Edited on September 2, 2012 at 11:41 PM. Reason : .]

9/2/2012 11:40:59 PM

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"but I think you and others are flipping the fuck out after 1 game versus a historical SEC football program"

I'm am just upset about how unprepared and lazy we seemed. Just was very uncharacteristic of what TOB preaches about disciplined football squads.

9/3/2012 1:34:29 AM

that one game didn't change anything and thats the problem.

9/3/2012 2:41:42 AM

I didn't see lazy. The mental toughness def was an issue for a team that came back from a 14-41 deficit last year. The offense was able to mount drives early but got shaken too much by blown blocking schemes, bass throws and just tripping on the turf (washington must have done it 3 times).

9/3/2012 3:43:00 AM

How did we look lazy?

9/3/2012 9:21:34 AM

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"and who says Cowher can recruit?"

9/3/2012 11:00:05 AM

wrong thread

9/3/2012 2:31:47 PM

fire TOB

9/8/2012 12:39:42 PM

mastermind of the offensive line

9/8/2012 2:12:42 PM

Edit: Oops, wrong thread. Screw that guy for keeping Archer on for soooooooooooo loooooooooooooong.

And for not building o and d lines that could even be considered average.

[Edited on September 8, 2012 at 2:17 PM. Reason : -]

9/8/2012 2:16:02 PM

Non-conf. road win. Give TOB a raise!!

9/8/2012 3:22:55 PM

I'm done

9/8/2012 3:51:32 PM

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"Screw that guy for keeping Archer on for soooooooooooo loooooooooooooong."

since when did archer coach the offensive offensive line.

9/8/2012 3:55:16 PM

I know, right. It's almost like there are several things wrong with the team that persist through the years.

9/8/2012 7:25:51 PM

we need a wind conditioning coach

9/8/2012 7:27:03 PM

i wasnt at the game today, how many points did we lose by?

9/8/2012 7:31:59 PM

Koolaid provided by tt10

9/8/2012 9:06:30 PM

hateraid provided by boobs

9/8/2012 9:26:33 PM

Yessir

But its bc i think he's setting us back 5 years after he gets canned

9/8/2012 9:32:09 PM

Won at BCS team many picked us to lose to. Get online and bitch.

When we won games 34-31, many of you bitched about defense.

Win with defense, bitch. Make up your damn minds.

9/9/2012 12:07:47 AM

uhhh, dude. winning with "defense" against UCONN is ridiculous.

9/9/2012 12:21:11 AM

its rare, but I agree with Party Boy ^

9/9/2012 12:41:34 AM

UConn has been to a BCS bowl game, State hasn't even sniffed one...I don't know that looking down on them because they're in the Big East makes much sense for a State fan.

[Edited on September 9, 2012 at 12:50 AM. Reason : .]

9/9/2012 12:47:36 AM

Uconn has year in and year out had one of the worst offenses of all BCS conference teams

9/9/2012 12:50:25 AM

They were top 25 in PPG in 2009 but OK.

9/9/2012 12:54:46 AM