sweet buzzer beater

1/15/2009 10:20:41 PM

These guys are talking about the good classes that the ACC schools have. All they mention are UNC, Duke, and Wake. We have a way better class than Wake right now. I mean come on, can we get some props. Just a little mention.

1/15/2009 10:22:04 PM

^At least they showed that Sidney was down there

1/15/2009 10:31:50 PM

Cousins seems to overplay and try for steals on the perimeter way too much.

1/15/2009 10:32:31 PM

^^ And then promptly started talking about UNC's class.

[Edited on January 15, 2009 at 10:32 PM. Reason : ]

1/15/2009 10:32:35 PM

favors looks fucking awesome. cousins has some baby fat to lose.

1/15/2009 10:37:05 PM

cousins just made favors his bitch

1/15/2009 10:39:50 PM

^haha, yeah, favors got punked and tried to return the favor only to get punked again.

1/15/2009 10:56:54 PM

1/15/2009 11:23:43 PM

Some observations from the bit of the game I caught

Cousins looked a little tired/sluggish compared to Favors, who seemed more upbeat and energetic. Maybe I didn't see very much

Leflore's offense looked very much pro-style, almost NC State-ish. Spread the floor, hardly any dribbling, everyone stand still and pass around until a 1-on-1 matchup is created.

1/15/2009 11:38:31 PM

FYI, we run a flex variant with isolations. Either you don't know what we do or you are exercising some selective memory.

1/15/2009 11:48:29 PM

They did say that Cousins only negative was his conditioning, but then again LeFlore played him almost the entire game. If he can put in 30-35 minutes for us I'd be happy. We still have Smith, Howell, and Horner and possibly Costner that can play in the frontcourt.

Reco McCarter has offers from State, Clemson, Virginia Tech, and Oklahoma, and is also being recruited by Wake Forest, Miami, Virginia, Cincinnati, and Wisconsin. He's expressed that he'd like to play in the ACC and would like to commit after his junior season so that he can focus on his senior year and his academics. He could potentially make a decision by the end of February. He'd be a good pickup and would add some athleticism to the 3 spot. Rivals has him as the #22 SF and the #128 player nationally in the 2010 class. He could potentially rise up like Scott Wood did though. Wood was the #150 player originally, but he has moved up to #126.

[Edited on January 15, 2009 at 11:59 PM. Reason : ]

1/15/2009 11:57:01 PM

^^ OK cool.

1/16/2009 9:22:53 AM

Word of God won in the first round of the Tournament of Champions last night against Glendale 82-79. C.J. Leslie had 28 and Wall had 24 and 11 assists. They move on to play White Station tonight.

LaQuinton Ross put up a gaudy stat line on Tuesday as Murrah beat Forest Hill. He had 25 points, 14 rebounds, 8 assists, and 7 blocks.

Cousins finished the game with a tremendously balanced line. He had 21 points, 12 rebounds, 5 assists, and 5 blocked shots, with only one turnover. He definitely made his teammates better and showed massive versatility.

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1/16/2009 9:29:35 AM

It's very to think that we'll probably end up with none of these guys.

1/16/2009 9:34:08 AM

I hope not. Hopefully we get at least 1.

1/16/2009 9:42:04 AM

Get them or not, I'm pretty just to be in it for the #1 guys in the nation.

1/16/2009 9:51:52 AM

^ I thought that way, until I realized it doesn't mean a whole lot unless we actually pick one up.

1/16/2009 10:12:32 AM

True. But we had a shot at the #1 Center, and the next guy on the list is the #2 center. Got a shot at the #1 PG. Lorenzo Brown is like the #7 or something.

Recruiting at this level will lead to good things happening.

1/16/2009 10:23:38 AM

I thought cousins was slow down the floor for a lot of the game last night, but then again he'd come out of nowhere and make a play on either end of the floor.

1/16/2009 10:32:58 AM

^^or it will lead to even heavier disappointment.


/pessimism

1/16/2009 10:59:51 AM

^^ #1 thing he'll have to work on is conditioning.

We really really need Cousins (Or another Big). We're going to be very thin down low.

1/16/2009 11:08:13 AM

Quote :

"Recruiting at this level will lead to good things happening."

We were recruiting at this level under the previous coach but that wasn't good enough for some people.

1/16/2009 11:37:43 AM

I don't recall us being in the final group for many of the #1 players in the nation previously.

ETA: In the context that Lowe is recruiting at/above the level of the previous coach, when that was the area he had the least experience in at his hiring, in his third year, with performance of the team being down,speaks well.



[Edited on January 16, 2009 at 11:56 AM. Reason : .]

1/16/2009 11:45:58 AM

I don't want to rain on your parade but being in the runnings and actually landing players is a different thing. We lost Favors, and probably will not get Cousins. We MIGHT get Wall.

Herb was in the process of recruiting Scottie Reynolds, Robbie Hummel, and Chris Wright during his last season.....he was after good talent. Don't downplay that.

1/16/2009 11:59:10 AM

I'm not downplaying it.

Scottie Reynolds was #33
Dan Werner was #70
Larry Davis was #39
Wright was #9
Hummel was #12

And none of those guys are #1, or #2, or #3 nationally. That's just math.



Even in Wright's case, which we were supposedly about as close, you're still telling me being in the running and actually getting them are two different things, and then backing that up with guys we might have been in the running with, or not so much.

And Herb was established here and had the program running and had contacts and time and all that whatnot. Yesterday the NCAA lowered the definition of a prospect down to 7th graders in response to how early the top guys are being recruitied.

Lowe is doing same/better now after three years of being around recruiting and having a team i nflux and not so much on W-L records. Don't downplay that.

[Edited on January 16, 2009 at 12:20 PM. Reason : Larry]

1/16/2009 12:18:06 PM

way to pwn yourself packboozie

1/16/2009 12:21:04 PM

as usual packboozie, a very well thought out argument on your end.

1/16/2009 12:38:33 PM

^,^^, ^^^ n00bs think you know everything.

Herb actually landed Damien Wilkins who was ranked #1 by some sources....

1/16/2009 12:40:44 PM

how did that work out?

1/16/2009 12:42:18 PM

Better than JJ Hickson worked out.

I didn't say it worked out, we are talking about recruiting and Herb landed top guys like Wilkins and Hodge.

1/16/2009 12:43:27 PM

^^lol

[Edited on January 16, 2009 at 12:43 PM. Reason : .]

1/16/2009 12:43:28 PM

haha, n00b in post count only.

Been here longer than you buddy.

1/16/2009 12:56:01 PM

Wilkins highest ranking from anyone credible was #4, by Brick Oettinger. Some others had him #8.

1/16/2009 12:58:42 PM

Quote :

"Better than JJ Hickson worked out."

you are joking right

DW was a fucking cancer and couldnt play in our system at the time. his dad and uncle were also cancers to our program and he didnt leave after one year to be the #19 pick in the NBA Draft.

so yeah, that worked out so much better than a team in transition where a coach in his second year secured a 5* Center commitment.

i loved Herb but IIRC he didnt have a 5* commitment in his second year

1/16/2009 12:59:57 PM

Hickson wasn't a cancer to the team? You are joking.

All JJ did was raise everyone's expectations. We lost Atsur, a decent ACC guard not even a true point, and picked up JJ and 4*Tracy Smith and did worse. I agree that DW was a disaster but Hickson was just as bad.

Quote :

"i loved Herb but IIRC he didnt have a 5* commitment in his second year"

I don't really care to debate this but Herb's year 2 does not compare to Lowe's.

1/16/2009 1:02:48 PM

^To me it looked like Ben and Brandon were the cancers of the team last year, not JJ. JJ showed signs of hustle every game IMO

1/16/2009 1:08:06 PM

Quote :

"Hickson wasn't a cancer to the team? You are joking. "

no he wasnt! he was the only one out there playing like they gave a shit.
the kid was in the gym at 5am every day working hard

if gavin hadnt been fucking Costner's girlfriend while they were room mates then last year would have went much smoother

the whole fucking team was divided last year .... and JJ was the only bright spot

cancer my ass triple roll to you sir

1/16/2009 1:08:25 PM

Wilkins wanted to come back to State and we said "How about No."

Hickson was not just as bad. Not even a little.

herb's second year:
Ron Anderson
Ron Kelley
Rhouldra Thomas
Kenny Inge
Archie Miller
Cornelius Williams

1/16/2009 1:09:06 PM

ah shit

motha fucka got triple rolled son

1/16/2009 1:10:16 PM

Quote :

"the whole fucking team was divided last year .... and JJ was the only bright spot"

And who was to blame for that?

Quote :

"if gavin hadnt been fucking Costner's girlfriend while they were room mates then last year would have went much smoother"

Gavin's gone and JJ's gone, so what's our lame excuse this year?


^^That class was pretty damn good compared to the talent we had been landing. Inge, Archie, and Kelley were solid players for us.

[Edited on January 16, 2009 at 1:13 PM. Reason : we suck]

1/16/2009 1:12:30 PM

I think McCauley and Costner's whining about "waaa a freshman is now the go-to guy' had more to do with the team's chemistry problems than JJ.

JJ gave it his all.


And Julius Hodge was the #1 player in the nation (Well, like #5 overall but the #1 player that actually went to college).

I still say Lowe should outrecruit Herb. Larry Harris convinced top-rated kids to come here despite Herb's system (in my opinion). Now we have a coach with NBA ties and a more wide-open system. The question is can he win...?

And Herb is gone. He's not the gold standard of coaching or recruiting.. Amato could recruit but couldn't develop talent...there's a lot more to it than that. IMO, Herb's development was a bit questionable.


[Edited on January 16, 2009 at 1:16 PM. Reason : ]

1/16/2009 1:12:36 PM

Torbert and Dejuan Wagner were ranked higher that Hodge that year, and both of them went to college. Mich State and Memphis.

1/16/2009 1:16:06 PM

I don't remember who all was in that class (Other than Kwame Brown, I believe), but for some reason I remember a list with Julius being the #1 player not going pro. Now whether that was scout.com (Which at that time was theinsiders.com), Rivals, ESPN, etc...who knows. Eh, I could be wrong on that.... it's been years ago


Regardless...he was an enormous recruit for Herb and a consensus top 5-ish player



[Edited on January 16, 2009 at 1:22 PM. Reason : ]

1/16/2009 1:19:52 PM

RSCI Chg HS PS DT SN- FS- AS Total Ht Pos City College
1 ? Eddy Curry 6 1 1 1 1 1 595 6-10 C South Holland, IL NBA
2 ? Kelvin Torbert 2 4 5 2 1 2 590 6-4 WG Flint, MI Michigan State
3 -1 Dejaun Wagner 1 2 3 3 3 5 589 6-3 PG-WG Camden, NJ Memphis
4 1 Tyson Chandler 4 6 6 4 4 4 578 7-0 C Compton, CA NBA
5 -1 Ousmane Cisse 5 5 8 5 5 3 575 6-9 PF-C Montgomery, AL NBA
6 5 Kwame Brown 14 3 2 6 12 7 562 6-10 C-PF Brunswick, GA NBA
7 -1 Julius Hodge 3 9 14 7 7 8 558 6-5 WG-WF Bronx, NY NC State
8 -1 Desanga Diop 20 7 4 8 10 6 551 6-11 C Mouth of Wilson, VA NBA
9 1 Rick Rickert 9 19 9 11 6 10 542 6-10 PF Duluth, MN Minnesota
10 -1 David Lee 8 8 11 10 11 20 538 6-8 PF St. Louis, MO Florida


I'm pretty sure that table is gonna get all effed up in the copy and paste. http://www.rscihoops.com/ is where it's from.

Regardless, if there rules then were like they were now, Hodge would have been 5 or 6 guys lower on the list.

[Edited on January 16, 2009 at 1:24 PM. Reason : .]

1/16/2009 1:22:25 PM

Cool, I've never seen that site before.

Interesting.

Seems kind of a weird ranking system at first glance, though. It has Wall at #13, even though I've never seen him below like #5 or 6 on any service. I guess it's the most comprehensive thing out there

1/16/2009 1:27:47 PM

I dunno why either, but he fell a bit from teh pre summer to post summer. Still, there's the 1,3,2,3,6,3 next to his name there.

1/16/2009 1:30:14 PM

^^^That top 10 is quite possibly the most disappointing ever.

David Lee is the best of that bunch now and a few aren't even near the NBA.

1/16/2009 2:00:24 PM

don't forget about tyson chandler.

His defense is an integral part of the hornets

1/16/2009 2:21:29 PM

Quote :

"Inge, Archie, and Kelley were solid players for us."

Ha ha wat? Inge had some good games occasionally and Archie was good for a 3 pointer sometimes, but Miller's defense was a joke and Kelley was absolute garbage. Costner is the only player I have ever witnessed that is lazier than Ron Kelley. God that was a horrible team. Thank God with had CC Harrison back then (at least for a little while). This post deserves a "Fuck you Adam Harrington" too.

[Edited on January 16, 2009 at 2:35 PM. Reason : yes I realize CC did not play with Harrington. That Inge class overlapped with both guys]

1/16/2009 2:35:09 PM