LAST HAND




PokerStars Game #2942247855: Hold'em No Limit ($0.05/$0.10) - 2005/10/31 - 21:26:07 (ET)
Table 'Ostanina' Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: texas bob ($9.90 in chips)
Seat 2: On_You_Again ($10.10 in chips)
Seat 3: PokerNoob101 ($10 in chips)
Seat 4: rockin_it ($1.40 in chips)
Seat 5: jwb1948 ($11.40 in chips)
Seat 6: CCVan5 ($9.85 in chips)
Seat 7: Kol04 ($14.10 in chips)
Seat 8: Mad Muckn' ($11.60 in chips)
Seat 9: datbamabop ($6.10 in chips)
Mad Muckn': posts small blind $0.05
datbamabop: posts big blind $0.10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Kol04 [Th Ts]
texas bob: folds
On_You_Again: calls $0.10
PokerNoob101: folds
rockin_it: raises $1.30 to $1.40 and is all-in
jwb1948: folds
CCVan5: folds
Kol04: raises $1.40 to $2.80
Mad Muckn': folds
datbamabop: folds
On_You_Again: raises $7.30 to $10.10 and is all-in
Kol04: calls $7.30
*** FLOP *** [9d 5h 7c]
*** TURN *** [9d 5h 7c] [3d]
*** RIVER *** [9d 5h 7c 3d] [8s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
On_You_Again: shows [Ks As] (high card Ace)
Kol04: shows [Th Ts] (a pair of Tens)
Kol04 collected $16.55 from side pot
rockin_it: shows [Kc Ac] (high card Ace)
Kol04 collected $4.15 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $21.75 Main pot $4.15. Side pot $16.55. | Rake $1.05
Board [9d 5h 7c 3d 8s]
Seat 1: texas bob folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: On_You_Again showed [Ks As] and lost with high card Ace
Seat 3: PokerNoob101 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: rockin_it showed [Kc Ac] and lost with high card Ace
Seat 5: jwb1948 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: CCVan5 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Kol04 (button) showed [Th Ts] and won ($20.70) with a pair of Tens
Seat 8: Mad Muckn' (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: datbamabop (big blind) folded before Flop




[Edited on October 31, 2005 at 9:32 PM. Reason : .]

10/31/2005 9:28:42 PM

thats pokerstars for ya.. i'm on there right now in another sng cuz i jus got busted out.. bad beat, blah blah, no one cares... BUT this one got me back in the tourny

PokerStars Game #2941905175: Tournament #14517230, Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2005/10/31 - 20:49:01 (ET)
Table '14517230 1' Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: PeaceMaker67 (1195 in chips)
Seat 2: cwarno1 (1010 in chips)
Seat 3: CLiMaxXx (1830 in chips)
Seat 4: Nash NCSU (1010 in chips)
Seat 5: walczak24 (1260 in chips)
Seat 6: gary634 (1300 in chips)
Seat 7: goonfx90 (2910 in chips)
Seat 8: charlie1744 (1450 in chips)
Seat 9: lttom55 (1535 in chips)
walczak24: posts small blind 15
gary634: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Nash NCSU [Qh Qc]
goonfx90: folds
charlie1744: folds
lttom55: folds
PeaceMaker67: calls 30
cwarno1: folds
CLiMaxXx: calls 30
Nash NCSU: raises 150 to 180
walczak24: folds
gary634: calls 150
PeaceMaker67: folds
CLiMaxXx: folds
*** FLOP *** [Ts 7d Qs]
gary634: checks
Nash NCSU: checks
*** TURN *** [Ts 7d Qs] [Jh]
gary634: bets 120
Nash NCSU: calls 120
*** RIVER *** [Ts 7d Qs Jh] [Qd]
gary634: bets 720
Nash NCSU: calls 710 and is all-in
Nash NCSU said, "ty"
*** SHOW DOWN ***
gary634: shows [Jc Jd] (a full house, Jacks full of Queens)
Nash NCSU: shows [Qh Qc] (four of a kind, Queens)
Nash NCSU collected 2095 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2095 | Rake 0
Board [Ts 7d Qs Jh Qd]
Seat 1: PeaceMaker67 folded before Flop
Seat 2: cwarno1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: CLiMaxXx folded before Flop
Seat 4: Nash NCSU (button) showed [Qh Qc] and won (2095) with four of a kind, Queens
Seat 5: walczak24 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: gary634 (big blind) showed [Jc Jd] and lost with a full house, Jacks full of Queens
Seat 7: goonfx90 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: charlie1744 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: lttom55 folded before Flop (didn't bet)


5$ sng's the way to go for cheap asses like me

10/31/2005 9:43:02 PM

anyone else? 1.5hrs left to take advantage


free 50.00 bankroll at absolute

10/31/2005 10:28:47 PM

Yeah, I've been doing it for a while... moved to Vegas in May

11/1/2005 1:45:06 PM

cool, the reason that I asked is that I'm applying to grad school right now, but if I don't get into where I want to go I have been considering playing some poker full-time before I go try to get a real job, just was wondering if anyone else in here was doing the same, has it been working out well for you jon?

11/1/2005 1:49:01 PM

Jon is living my dream. Luck to you

11/1/2005 2:25:24 PM

yea, gl jon, what stakes/game do you usually play, are there a lot of pl omaha games out there, or are most the games hold'em or mixed? haven't made it out to the west coast yet, im waiting for a few of my boys to turn 21 then hopefully i'll convince them to go with me

11/1/2005 2:56:52 PM

Jon, what size bankroll would you recommend for a "decent" player just going to have some fun/break even maybe live a little up.


smalltime shit. Considering going to AC or LV this summer.



or anyone with an opinion/suggestion actually.

[Edited on November 1, 2005 at 3:36 PM. Reason : .]

11/1/2005 3:33:38 PM

yeah that 50 free bucks was the shit

11/1/2005 3:36:59 PM

i plan on taking at least 1k to vegas in december.

usually when i go to ac, ill take 600-1500, depending on what stakes im playing.

10/20, usually take 1500,
7.5/15 pink chip game, ill take ~1300ish
if you are going with 2/4 limit or 4/8 limit, you could probably get by with like $200 in cash for the 2/4, and about 400 for the 4/8. i mean, thats 50 big bets, and even on a nice downswing you should still have many hours of play with 50 bets in limit.

1/2 nl you can get by with only taking like 500, short buying for like 150 in those games isnt a big deal.

this is just playing stakes.

try and win your food and party money =)

[Edited on November 1, 2005 at 3:43 PM. Reason : e]

11/1/2005 3:41:28 PM

if i consistantly get third place or better in $10sngs do u guys think im ready to move up to the $20. like i havent 'not' made the money in forever

or am i just gonna lose all my money

11/1/2005 5:07:20 PM

i am scared of the sharks, i always lose at ring games

11/1/2005 5:16:48 PM

Anyone know of a good place to get a freebank roll for somewhere other then Empire/Party?

11/1/2005 8:49:13 PM

yeah pilgrim, that is music to my ears

my goal for vegas was 1K

i might try to take some money to myrtle beach, and do that Sun Cruz thing they have.


but they only offer 3/6 i think

jackleg are you still playing?

^i'll bankroll you on absolute

11/1/2005 10:04:26 PM

yeah im up on absolute, i usually play a ring game to get the raked hands, but keep a SNG open at the same time so i can actually win money. i cant play pot odds unless its a tourney for some reason, my jewishness wont let me

11/1/2005 10:50:44 PM

^^ yeah, sun cruz is only 3/6. there is a crowd of regulars that play often. their style of play will drive you crazy. there is one girl who goes there from charlotte to sunday thru tuesday. i can't remember her name, but she's in her late 20s, blond and has braces. and wouldn't you know it, she's a stripper...not an attractive one either. anyhow, i just really wanted to bust that heifer, but i had the shittiest run of cards i've ever experienced in three hour span and wasn't able to do anything about it. i know my limit games isn't stellar, but she raised many times from early position with such odd hands.... J7, Q5, K6...not even suited. i understand that you've got better pot odds on drawing or whatever you call it, but that girl took it to an entire new level.
and she was an obnoxious bitch to top it all off.

11/2/2005 8:04:46 AM

hahahaha

Quote :

"PokerStars Game #2955739789: Tournament #14586528, Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (100/200) - 2005/11/02 - 16:55:44 (ET) Table '14586528 1' Seat #1 is the button Seat 1: sleepygreggy (4125 in chips) Seat 7: Nash NCSU (9375 in chips) sleepygreggy: posts small blind 100 Nash NCSU: posts big blind 200 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to Nash NCSU [2c 8h] sleepygreggy: raises 400 to 600 Nash NCSU: calls 400 *** FLOP *** [Qh 2h 8d] Nash NCSU: checks sleepygreggy: bets 1200 Nash NCSU: raises 1200 to 2400 sleepygreggy: raises 1125 to 3525 and is all-in Nash NCSU: calls 1125 *** TURN *** [Qh 2h 8d] [5h] *** RIVER *** [Qh 2h 8d 5h] [As] Nash NCSU said, "gg" *** SHOW DOWN *** Nash NCSU: shows [2c 8h] (two pair, Eights and Deuces) sleepygreggy: shows [Td Ts] (a pair of Tens) sleepygreggy said, "bs" Nash NCSU collected 8250 from pot Nash NCSU [observer] said, "haha" sleepygreggy [observer] said, "you're a clown" *** SUMMARY *** Total pot 8250 | Rake 0 Board [Qh 2h 8d 5h As] Seat 1: sleepygreggy (button) (small blind) showed [Td Ts] and lost with a pair of Tens Seat 7: Nash NCSU (big blind) showed [2c 8h] and won (8250) with two pair, Eights and Deuces"

we were heads up after a LONG sng... He was SUPER conservative and this was the last hand.. I was calling everything against him and raising random times... I just tried to mix it up a little and the shitty engine on pokerstars helped me out A LOT...

does anyone who plays on pokerstars notice a ton of bad beats.. I've never played anywhere else nearly as many hands as I've played here so I don't know what to compare it to.. Where is a good place to play so cheap 1 table tournys?

11/2/2005 6:57:53 PM

i'm sure one of the top five sites on the internet has the same number of "bad" beats as anywhere else.

11/2/2005 7:00:27 PM

wtf is going on with partypoker. their tournaments are all of a sudden just pausing and never start

11/2/2005 8:18:04 PM

Quote :

"yeah, sun cruz is only 3/6. there is a crowd of regulars that play often. their style of play will drive you crazy. there is one girl who goes there from charlotte to sunday thru tuesday. i can't remember her name, but she's in her late 20s, blond and has braces. and wouldn't you know it, she's a stripper...not an attractive one either. anyhow, i just really wanted to bust that heifer, but i had the shittiest run of cards i've ever experienced in three hour span and wasn't able to do anything about it. i know my limit games isn't stellar, but she raised many times from early position with such odd hands.... J7, Q5, K6...not even suited. i understand that you've got better pot odds on drawing or whatever you call it, but that girl took it to an entire new level. and she was an obnoxious bitch to top it all off."

So would it be worth it to go? Can i be invasive and ask how much you usually bring and whether you leave even or up more than down?

11/2/2005 8:46:45 PM

ok after failing miserably at no limit, i just kicked the shit out of the 2/4 limit game. i feel better now and i can stop playing poker finally

11/2/2005 9:26:36 PM

btw my 50.00 free bankroll at absolute still stands.


i'm definately bonus whoring here, but i now have some people that can vouch for me.

It's painless, quick, and potentially profitable

11/2/2005 9:54:36 PM

this just in

if you harass people and tell them to change their name to UNICEF they will call all your bets

11/3/2005 12:03:47 AM

lol, you can also try betting weird amounts, like .69

or 4.20 or 6.66

11/3/2005 1:36:29 AM

"mother fuck"


more to come later.

11/3/2005 8:37:20 AM

So I made my cardinal rule violation three times (well really two, but lets say three for sake of this little experiment) last night.

Ok, lets play a little game here.

its call spot where i f'd up.

3 handed 1/2 nl.

me ~200
villian ~210 had been calling raises with very very questionable holdings, but was hitting hands like crazy. Had actually been way up, but then busted, then back up hard from his rebuy.
dealer ~350

AJo in the sb.
dealer folds.
I raise to $8
BB calls.

flop comes J 6 3, suits unimportant.

i check, bb bets out $15.
I reriase 40 on top to $55.
BB calls.
turn is an 8.
I check,
BB bets out $25.
I reraise all in for ~140 for a raise of $125.

What stands out at you as questionable here?

11/3/2005 9:05:14 AM

The fact that the big blind called your raise w/ 6-3. lol

JK. You get the craziest hands Ben.

11/3/2005 10:11:34 AM

I really don't see anything wrong with the play. If he drew out on you, so be it, but as far as I'm concerned you bet it well.

Also you still haven't told the outcome of the hand like a page back.

11/3/2005 1:55:33 PM

where do you guys play? i'm quittin pokerstars

11/3/2005 2:08:33 PM

Grandmaster ...
you have to sign up the second you step on the boat...i didn't realize that my first time going, so i had to wait for someone to quit the table. we went during a morning cruise and they only had two tables going.
there was only about an hour and a half left of play time (they make you stop 45 minutes before you dock), and i sat down with $200. i had the WORST cards i have ever seen. i didn't play but two hands that weren't in the blind, and i probably folded three or four hands when raised in the blinds. i played probably 10 rounds of the blinds, putting me down 90 when i played my last hand. i called blind and raised on every bet. i ended up winning against three others with 9s full of Ks. the pot was just under $100, so i ended up down about $40, but i drank two liquor drinks each time the cocktail waitress came by, so that almost made up for it. i was tanked.

11/3/2005 3:15:47 PM

I'd say check-raising the turn all in on jacks is pretty sketchy, hard to lead out with a bet smaller than 65 bc the pot is so big, but i feel that's better than the check-raise, that at least gives you a chance to make a read if the bb raises your bet

11/3/2005 3:19:46 PM

questionable that you reraised the flop, then check raised the turn, but even more so that he didn't check after the reraise

11/3/2005 4:21:00 PM

OMG......... That hand made me cry Ben.

I couldn't wait for the post cause we saw what you did with that trips/Jim hand so I asked around.

11/3/2005 4:26:54 PM

Ding Ding Ding.

Quote :

"but even more so that he didn't check after the reraise"

Quote :

" really don't see anything wrong with the play. If he drew out on you, so be it, but as far as I'm concerned you bet it well. "

I was confident i was well ahead on the flop, Im glad we agree on my line here.

Quote :

"I'd say check-raising the turn all in on jacks is pretty sketchy"

In retrospect, it was. It also probably would have ended up the same way.

Quote :

"hard to lead out with a bet smaller than 65 bc the pot is so big"

This is why. If im committing half my stack on the flop/turn, then more than likely its getting thrown in on the river. Im only making those bets thinking I'm ahead.


My whole cardinal rule is that its not always right to think people play as i would consider logical. I really messed that up a few times last night, and in three hands blew huge stacks. (really frustrating after busting like 2 stacks and rebuilding back into the black). Making plays on weak players is a dumb move. Esp. after it has happened twice against the same guy.



My whole line here put him on a weaker jack. That was about the only thing I had put him on. When he bet out the turn, a flash in my head came up two pair, but i had just about made up my mind to make this move.


While i was taking a shower this morning, I came up with something. For him to call the checkraise, he has to have a decent holding right? If he has a set, hes going back at me for the rest of my stack there. If he has two pair he'll probably do the same in a three handed game. Of course, this is assuming my line of thinking. I cant automatically assume this however. KJ?

what is the bet on the turn telling me? At the time the 8 looked like a total brick. however, afer a large check-raise leading out with a minimal bet on the 8 seems to have actually improved the hand. Why else would he bet out there unless he put me on somthing like AK trying to spike a free card play? This should have slowed me down.

I think???

anyone else?


He calls the all-in and says two pair. He flips over 6,8o for the turned two pair. So the 8 did improve his hand. I really hate a check-raise play, but this just screamed of a hand in which to take down a big pot.


I mean, am I way off here, or is slowing down with the 8 wayyyyyy to weak/tight?

Remember, in shorthanded hold'em, the most active and aggressive usually wins.



Sorry about having not finished the hand on the previous page, I'll finish that up tonight after dinner.

[Edited on November 3, 2005 at 5:29 PM. Reason : e]

11/3/2005 5:27:07 PM

^ I don't think your play was that bad, you just got outdrawn. As a rule I rarely checkraise twice on one hand without a very good reason, it's like running a flee flicker two plays in a row.

About your only warning sign is the bet on the turn. He knows you check-raised on the flop, so he SHOULD only bet with a good hand on the turn. Granted he's a bad player and might bet hoping you were on a bluff, but it's unlikely unless you've pinned down his betting strategy (or lack thereof). He could easily have been betting a big hand and the $25 turn is simply a value bet. It certainly would fit his betting pattern, since you likely made a hand.

I hate when bad players outdraw me like that b/c it's always tough to make those laydowns (when you had 'em dead to rights on the flop/turn). Eh well, this is why I don't play cash games very often....

11/3/2005 7:09:26 PM

Ben check raised?!



I would have violated about 3 of my cardinal rules there. You said one of them.

11/3/2005 7:50:54 PM

Sometimes you just lose a hand. Regardless of whther you play it right and bet it right, sometimes you just plain lose. There's nothing you can do to prevent it. It sucks, but even the best players lose hands. The really sad thing is you lose hands to very poor players because they have no concept of how to play a hand. The hard times come when you lose 3 or 4 big hands in a row that you had no business losing. As a matter of fact, the only really big hands I lose are to bad players, because good players are more predictable.

I say you played the hand like a champ and just ran into a little bad luck. You're a great player and you'll recover.

11/3/2005 10:12:01 PM

ILL PLAY ANY OF U CUNT FACES HEADS UP FOR 1000 BUX

11/3/2005 11:42:40 PM

wish I had $1000....

11/4/2005 12:06:55 AM

IF U DIDNT SUX U WOULD

11/4/2005 12:07:26 AM

Sometimes you just lose...

Maybe this will make everyone put things in perspective. Playing 2/5 NL yesterday at the Wynn, I'm being extremely aggressive (I don't play that many NL ring games anymore, so I like to mix it up when I sit down at small stakes). Anyway, I'm dragging like 1/3 of the pots or so, but most are small, so I'm just barely up on my $400 buy in. I get AA utg, and I'd been straddling every time utg, but for some reason I forgot to this hand. So I through out a $10 bet and pretended to straddle... even though everyone knew I had already looked. I was 90% sure I'd get reraised by someone.

Well, this girl (a LV native and very good player, but usually tight) raises to $30. So when it gets to me, I make it $75, hoping she'll think I'm putting a play on her... I know she's not folding for that. So she calls. The flop comes an ugly 89T with two spades, but I know the way I've been playing, I'll get action from her if she has any hand whatsoever. And although that's an ugly flop for AA, heads up, with a big pot already out there, you gotta go with the rockets.

So I bet out $100, which of course she immediately reraises all in (I had about $450 before the hand, and she had me covered). I call, and flip over my AA... she doesn't show yet. A beautiful ace spikes on the turn, and an ugly 6 on the river. She says "straight," and flips over 27 of spades.

The funniest thing is that I can't fault her play one bit at any point in the hand. The reraise was b/c she put me on shit, and she clearly wanted to show the table her 27 after getting me off of my most likely "weak" hand. Then calling my reraise preflop, although the pot and implied odds were questionable there, she knew if she hit big she would get my stack. Then when she hits a flush draw and open ended straight draw on the flop, she's favored against basically everything but a set. She was actually 50.2 to 49.8% over my AA on the flop.

So sometimes it doesn't matter what you do, 27 will beat AA, and I can't even fault the player for it.

11/4/2005 1:21:01 AM

does anyone have trouble mixing games? for instance, I am really into PL Oh right now, but people i played with tonight only wanted to play hold'em. I caught myself playing with an omaha frame of mind. Does this happen to other people, it really pisses me off that people don't play omaha as much as holdem, it is such a cooler game

11/4/2005 2:56:37 AM

^, yeah my friends are the same way, my old poker group was fine with alternating games but my new group at school favors hold em only, whereas I like playing any game, specifically PL omaha. We did have a fun night the other day, dealers choice, had some crazy completely random games that were played just for fun, blind mans pineapple, have to discard a card without looking. That made for some quality hands.

11/4/2005 2:59:07 AM

Anyone want to sweat me at a final table on stars? We're down to 8 right now in the 11:30pm est. $20+2 tourney... i'm chip leader if anyone wants to sweat it out... IM me

11/4/2005 3:52:31 AM

yea i do, i have to stay up tonight

11/4/2005 3:55:13 AM

double post fucking flood control

[Edited on November 4, 2005 at 3:56 AM. Reason : dsaf]

11/4/2005 3:55:52 AM

down to 6, still chipleader... u can log on stars to watch... I would be PearlJammer fyi

[Edited on November 4, 2005 at 4:01 AM. Reason : .]

11/4/2005 3:58:06 AM

jon let a nigga hold a dolla if you win.


gl


nice quads O_o

[Edited on November 4, 2005 at 4:38 AM. Reason : .]

11/4/2005 4:37:59 AM

well, how'd you do turner?

11/4/2005 9:28:34 AM

It appears as if he won the tournament.

GG Jon. Did you win it straight up, or catch a deal?

I dont know if Justin told you or not, but we are comming to LV in December, we should meet up sometime. We are actually staying DT merely for the ridiuclously cheap rates.



Im not concerned about the loss of the hand really, I just wanted some back up on the fact of if I had the right line on the hand. I also was wondering if anyone would have done anything different, and thanks guys for your opinions.

11/4/2005 10:51:47 AM