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"Make no mistake the ending sucked. I mean wow. WHAT A LOAD OF FUCKING HORSESHIT WAY TO BUILD UP BUILD UP BUILD UP AND EVERYTHING THAT EVER HAPPENED ON THE SHOW WAS FOR NOTHING (WELL UP UNTIL THE 2ND TO LAST EPISODE) MIB said it all when he said "you died for nothing" except it was more like "you watched this show for nothing" everything was for nothing What was it for? NOTHING bullshit bullshit bullshit"

hahaha i was waiting for this post

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"Jimmy Kimmel said that he thought Jack died in the plane crash and everything that happened on the island was one huge "test" for Jack and Matthew Fox seemed to agree. I don't buy this. I think that everything that happened on the island really happened, and they all died when they died, if that makes sense. I believe the events on the island were "tests" and shots at redemption for all the characters."

yeah i didn't really buy it either. don't you kind of have to be alive for a test?

and i think they did a phenomenal job with jack's character from the pilot episode all the way through tonight. he might've surpassed locke and ben for me. but it did seem to me like he was still kind of trying to fix things after he became the new protector of the island, but he wasn't doing it for himself anymore. i don't care what you thought of the way they ended the show, i thought jack stumbling through the bamboo forest past his father's shoe to lay down in the exact same spot where he woke up after the crash to see everyone flying overhead leaving the island just before he closed his eyes to die was so well done.

[Edited on May 24, 2010 at 1:27 AM. Reason : .]

[Edited on May 24, 2010 at 1:28 AM. Reason : .]

5/24/2010 1:26:34 AM

^I was avid.


To the people wanting discussion. Theres nothing to discuss because there was no plot. It was all bullshit. What would we discuss other than things that could have happened? The whole show was just show things that don't quite make sense and then have a smoke monster that we will never know who he was play mystery villain. Throw in random egyptian paraphernalia everywhere and a light at the center of it all and bam you've got...bullshit

At the point when aaron was born, desmond said something creepy like "its time to leave now" and it made me think he had become the smoke monster after going into the light. That would have been a cool direction to take it but we got one of those "pan around at everyone happy" cheese endings from season 1.

5/24/2010 1:27:17 AM

^ did you never do a critical analysis of a literary work in high school or anything? actually, don't answer that question.

i guess i also have to accept the fact that locke was always a patsy now. what a fucking heartbreaking character. jesus.

[Edited on May 24, 2010 at 1:37 AM. Reason : .]

5/24/2010 1:29:31 AM

I liked the finale. I liked it as an episode and I liked it as an ending. I personally never clung to the mysteries and thus don't need an answer to every little thing. Although, I was very entertained and intrigued by that part of the show. Plus I hate when a story/writer/director feels the need to spell everything out like I'm a child anyhow.

I also don't desire an explanation for every mystery because that's how life is. Sometimes, you see a guy running past you and he drops something. You may never know why he was running, where he was going, how he got the thing he dropped, what exactly it is, etc. It just happened. I enjoy stories where you see something happen to people and see how THEY deal with it and don't always know exactly why IT is happening. Although, I realize some people hate the idea of story being like that. This show was about characters, the things on the island are just what drove those characters. And anyone who thinks there was no character development/growth is watching a very different show. And I don't understand why you would stick with a show this long that didn't have decent character development. I personally wouldn't have stuck with it if I thought the characters were entirely flat.


I get that some people want very specific explanations directly from characters, especially those who really latched onto the mystery/mystical stuff. And I understand why the series and how it unwrapped sucked for you in the end. But at the risk of sounding like an asshole; we get it, stfu about it or use some imagination and come up with something that makes sense enough for you to enjoy it. Personally, I enjoy being able throw a little of my own imagination into something. And I enjoy bouncing those ideas off of other people, especially those with ideas of their own. That's why I like discussing shit (no matter how crazy of an idea it is/was) in this thread.


But like i said, I liked it. I was happy with all of the answers they directly gave, all of those they inferred, all of those I came/am coming up with for myself.


I would love to know what Hurley went through as the island's protector. And I'm glad that from Hurley and Ben's interaction at the end it seemed like Ben never betrayed Hurley as his "number 2." - which i found refreshing because over the series, and especially the last season, Ben was a character that I often wanted the best from but was often let down by him.

[Edited on May 24, 2010 at 1:42 AM. Reason : .]

5/24/2010 1:40:46 AM

I also thought it was kind of neat how they were all sitting down in that church almost as though they were in the plane again... maybe i'm reading too much into it, though

5/24/2010 1:48:15 AM

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"I would love to know what Hurley went through as the island's protector. And I'm glad that from Hurley and Ben's interaction at the end it seemed like Ben never betrayed Hurley as his "number 2." - which i found refreshing because over the series, and especially the last season, Ben was a character that I often wanted the best from but was often let down by him."

ben just seemed to lack the ability to change. even after he hit rock bottom at the end of season 5, he still made choices in season 6 that were motivated by power and revenge. sayid was sort of the same way. no matter what he did, he couldn't really ever escape who he was inside. but was ben pushing hurley out of the way of the tree and telling sawyer and kate about the boat supposed to make up for that? and i'm having a hard time making sense of his "redemption" in the alternate universe or whatever since my understanding of it at the moment is based on what christian said about it being a place they all created where they could find each other, or whatever. i'm gonna have to watch season 6 over again.

5/24/2010 1:49:39 AM

i was wondering why Jack didn't have to say those foreign 'cast-a-spell' words before he gave Hurley the water bottle

5/24/2010 1:52:29 AM

I was wondering why Aaron was born again when he's really fucking dead.
I was wondering why the H-bomb didn't create an alternate timeline, didn't kill anyone, and just sent everybody 30 years into the future.
I was wondering why I spent six years and 4.5 hours watching something that melted into total bullshit the last 10 minutes.

5/24/2010 4:22:41 AM

Coincidentally whenever my Digital Antenna has a plane fly anywhere near my house the reception on abc went in and out.. I never realized how busy the airspace above my house can get except last night :x

5/24/2010 6:57:01 AM

so i guess eloise had been aware of the island timeline all along?

5/24/2010 6:59:12 AM

Remember when farradays mom said are you gonna take my son to Desmond?

5/24/2010 7:07:37 AM

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Smoke Monster arbitrarily becomes mortal when Desmond pulls a turd out of the ground, Hurley and Ben become the new keepers of the island and then SHAZAM! Fast forward, everyone is dead.

Nice ending, Lost.

hahahahahahahhahahahahha

^^There's nothing to suggest that Eloise was even real in the "alternate timeline". Jack's dad said that the "alternate timeline" was just a place that all of the island folk created to meet back up before going to heaven, even though they didn't call it that. It doesn't make sense, I know, but I didn't write it. But it sure worked to explain away all the alternate timeline bullshit.

[Edited on May 24, 2010 at 7:45 AM. Reason : .]

5/24/2010 7:43:32 AM

nice summary for all those who were confused:

http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/watch_with_kristin/b182506_lost_redux_see_you_in_another_life.html



[Edited on May 24, 2010 at 7:59 AM. Reason : ]

5/24/2010 7:56:16 AM

I believe most of us understand the ending. The island ending was fine. The alternate time line ending was blah. Maybe I'll change my mind over time, but I think I speak for a lot of people when I say I was hoping for a little something other than "we're all dead". The series was still great and is still my favorite, but the ending was a little disappointing.

5/24/2010 8:08:31 AM

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"i was wondering why Jack didn't have to say those foreign 'cast-a-spell' words before he gave Hurley the water bottle"

i look at that event with the idea of what ben said to hurley. that's the way jacob ran things, doesn't have to be the way you ran things.

5/24/2010 8:33:51 AM

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"Jimmy Kimmel said that he thought Jack died in the plane crash"

I was watching this last night, but I did not remember him saying that jack died in the plane crash. I'll have to re-watch it.

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"I was wondering why Aaron was born again when he's really fucking dead."

well he's not.


I still don't believe everyone died on impact.


EDIT:


BTW, after sleeping on it, I don't hate the ending as much as I did last night.

[Edited on May 24, 2010 at 8:49 AM. Reason : .]

5/24/2010 8:46:00 AM

It is absolutely impossible for them to have died in the plane crash.

In Pandemonium or whatever you call that ending, people that were not on the plane knew and were interacting with people on the plane. Ben, Juliet to name a few.

If the actual explanation is that they died in the plane crash and both the island and the alternate reality were both just them being dead then lol at people who actually like this show.

5/24/2010 9:00:18 AM

I hate the idea of dedicating half the entire final season to creating an alternate universe, and then have that universe turn out to be some kind of purgatory hang-out: a chummy after-life get-together for everyone. It's incredibly lame, and it doesn't explain, justify, or add closure to any of the events in the series. It's just an orgy of mushy feel-good psuedo-endings for the characters.

5/24/2010 9:07:18 AM

THEY DID NOT DIE IN THE PLANE CRASH. this was explicitly stated in the show by christian. why is that so hard to understand?

5/24/2010 9:15:41 AM

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"BTW, after sleeping on it, I don't hate the ending as much as I did last night."

Same here. I'm not overly thrilled by it, but I accept that for the corner they painted themselves into, they ended it about as well as they could have.

5/24/2010 9:17:34 AM

i cried when charlie remembered claire

i cried when jack remembered kate

5/24/2010 9:26:58 AM

yeah i didn't cry either.

I'm AstralAdvent and i approved this message.

5/24/2010 9:27:18 AM

i cried

5/24/2010 9:31:58 AM

I didnt sleep too well last night processing everything...

I came to a few conclusions:

Jack dieing was not the end of things. Decades, possibly 100s of years passed before all the characters could be reunited in purgatory. The comments from Hurley and Ben about "You were a great number one" and "You were a great number two" indicates they existed on the island long after Jack died, and also came to 'remember' events that happened well after Jack died. Several of the characters seemed to know of events happening after that event, which indicates continued life. Since purgatory doent have to be linear with real life, it makes sense.

They did not die in the plane crash.

The only thing I am confused about is Jack's son...

Personally, I thought the ending was great. It was sad, which makes a lot of people unhappy, but I thought it probably ended as well as it could. Them all getting on the plane and leaving the island would have been a cop out.

[Edited on May 24, 2010 at 9:40 AM. Reason : .]

5/24/2010 9:39:11 AM

You're satisfied with them leaving X years open, Ben and Hurley having untold adventures and them just shrugging it off with "you were a great #2"?

And of course, there's Kate, Richard, and everyone else that actually made it off the island. <shrug> It's 1000 years later and everyone's dead.

There is no Jack's son. It was a figment of his imagination in the unworld. Locke said as much.

And yeah, they couldn't end it with them getting off the island. They've already been off the island. Getting off really wasn't a big deal at that point. Plus they had the unworld to explain away.

5/24/2010 9:44:12 AM

any thoughts on why perhaps Lapidus, Miles, and Richard weren't present at the church? Or is it a Ben, Ana Lucia type thing where perhaps they were not ready to let go yet?

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"You're satisfied with them leaving X years open, Ben and Hurley having untold adventures and them just shrugging it off with "you were a great #2"?"

of course. there is no reason to waste time showing Ben and Hurley on the island. That is a whole new storyline in and of itself and is completely unnecessary in closing out ours. All we have to know is that they met their ends and joined everyone to move on.

Plus, Hurley is such a surrogate for the fans that i imagine the writers want each viewer to make up their own story as to how Hurley ran the island.

[Edited on May 24, 2010 at 9:48 AM. Reason : l]

5/24/2010 9:44:55 AM

Or walt and michael for that matter?

I think it's more a product of they-couldn't-get-the-actors-for-the-bullshit-ending-scene-they-pieced-together-to-explain-away-the-crap-they've-been-making-up-for-the-last-season-to-make-more-advertising-money.

5/24/2010 9:47:10 AM

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"You're satisfied with them leaving X years open, Ben and Hurley having untold adventures and them just shrugging it off with "you were a great #2"?"

Yes, for the same reason that I dont need to know how Kate lived her life after she got off the island, or anyone else for that matter. At some point, the story stops and a new story begins. In this case, the new story isnt what the show was about.

Were you also dissapointed with the ending of the Lord of the Rings?

[Edited on May 24, 2010 at 9:58 AM. Reason : .]

5/24/2010 9:53:43 AM

why didn't ben go in the church?

5/24/2010 10:00:19 AM

I wondered that too. I suspect it was guilt. Of all the people in that room, he caused more pain on all of them than anyone else.

5/24/2010 10:03:19 AM

Ben wasn't ready to move on. He had to work things out.

That whole "alternate" timeline this season takes place in the future, after all of them have died. None of them have any recollection of the island, until they touch people that they met in real life on the island.

Ben lived on his life and died as the #2 man under Hurley, we just never see it. Hurley lived his life and died as #1, we just don't see that either.

People escaping the island is present day. Presumably they got off the island and lived the rest of their lives, and ultimately died, where they went to that purgatory place/alternate timeline.

They did NOT all die in the plane crash. Everything that happened on the island actually happened, the story just ends with jack because he was the main character and the last one to die on the island.

5/24/2010 10:07:39 AM

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"any thoughts on why perhaps Lapidus, Miles, and Richard weren't present at the church? "

I think it goes back to what christian said:

"this is a place that you all made together so that you could fine one another. The most important part of your life was the time you spent with these people."

While those three (and others) were significant characters and played important roles in the overall story, they weren't close enough to the 'main' group of characters to fit in with the whole reunion in the semi-afterlife deal.

5/24/2010 10:09:55 AM

Ok but in the unworld, purgatory, whatever timeline that we saw this season

The island was sunk. The nuke sunk it? Clearly it was affected by the 'real' world?

5/24/2010 10:11:16 AM

I believe they just showed us that to keep the viewers guessing. Ultimately the one mention of the island being underwater was meant to throw the views off, and since the flash sideways was clearly explained as something invented by the characters, it becomes an insignificant part of the overall plot.

5/24/2010 10:14:59 AM

Yep. Anything that happened in unworld is irrelevant. Weeee.....

I think Ben didn't go into the church because he thought he was going to Hell.

5/24/2010 10:20:37 AM

I'm just glad Lapidus was alive.

5/24/2010 10:22:02 AM

After sleeping, I feel worse about it than i did last night. If it wasn't for the time spent wondering how fantastic the ending would be, I would hate I ever watched a single episode. but thats my imagination not theirs.

sure the character development was great and thats what took this show from being good to potentially the greatest story of all time but it was the suspense and anxiety that kept you coming back. There were times when they would give a nikki paulo type episode and I wondered "is this just typical tv series gilligan island type unrelated drivel where each episode is unrelated to the next?"

turns out it was even worse than i could have ever imagined. six years of buildup for nothing.

random drivel that was the basis of this show whoring out just to gain viewers with no actual plotline

NUMBERS-semi explained
EGYPTIAN STUFF
JACOBS STEPMOM
SMOKE MONSTER WHO WHAT WHY
LIGHT
CONSEQUENCES
ELECTROMAGNETISM
ISLAND MOVING
BEN VS WIDMORE
SPECIAL DESMOND
SPECIAL WALT
JACOB POWERS
FATHERHOOD
ALTERNATE TIMELINE-it was answered by why did they go through all of the storyline just for that. what a waste.
ISLAND READY FOR YOU TO DIE
TEMPLE-HEALING WELL-ANTI SMOKE DUST-DOGUN
TIME TRAVEL
ATOMIC BOMB

all of it was just randomly thrown in with no intention of ever being explained. but the geniuses knew that if they didn't explain it people would continue to watch in hopes of it being explained. new viewers could watch anytime and get sucked in because previous things were never being answered but new questions were being formulated.

Add great characters and you have a sticky daytime soap with fake sci fi background.

[Edited on May 24, 2010 at 10:25 AM. Reason : the purpose of the show was to get viewers. not to tell a story.]

5/24/2010 10:23:40 AM

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"Yep. Anything that happened in unworld is irrelevant. Weeee....."

more like nothing that happened anywhere had any relevance. None of the major plot devices mattered for shit.

Hatch? Didnt matter
Smoke Monster? Didnt matter
Dharma Initiative? Didnt matter
Whidmore? Didnt matter
The Others? Didn't matter
Jacob/MiB? Didn't matter
Walts Powers? Didnt matter
Time travel? Didn't matter
Atom bomb? Didnt matter
Numbers? Didnt matter
THE FUCKING ISLAND? Didn't matter

All that mattered was the characters (well some) became bestes't friends and met up in heaven.

What A Joke.

[Edited on May 24, 2010 at 10:25 AM. Reason : *]

5/24/2010 10:24:46 AM

fantasy. You can't call this sci fi.

5/24/2010 10:24:58 AM

Lapidus is the new Mikhail.

5/24/2010 10:25:54 AM

Six seasons and motherfucker still misspells Widmore

5/24/2010 10:26:15 AM

^^^^

It doesn't matter how it ended, you still would be bitching because you are a malcontent.

was it flawless? Hell no, there are plenty of minor holes and interesting questions and subplots that were abandoned.

Was it the steaming pile of shit you seem to think it is? Not even close.

5/24/2010 10:31:09 AM

everytime i try to read anything about this show i get a headache.

5/24/2010 10:32:49 AM

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"The island was sunk. The nuke sunk it? Clearly it was affected by the 'real' world?"

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"I believe they just showed us that to keep the viewers guessing. Ultimately the one mention of the island being underwater was meant to throw the views off, and since the flash sideways was clearly explained as something invented by the characters, it becomes an insignificant part of the overall plot."

I don't think it was irrelevant or meant to keep anyone guessing. Didn't christian say they created a place where they could be happy? Maybe I'm mistaken about that.

But the island caused a lot of torment, thus didn't exist. Jack was the father he felt he never had. Ben was a father figure to Alex, which was also the one decent thing he'd ever really done in real life. Sawyer was a good guy. Farraday was the piano player he wanted to be instead of the physicist his mother forced him to become. Desmond had the approval of the man he never had the approval of in his real life, Widmore. Kate helps Claire. Locke has his fiance and a good relationship with his father. Hurley won the lottery but doesn't have all the bad luck. Sayid's woman was alive. etc.

They kept some aspects of what "was difficult for them." Sawyer having still lost his parents, locke ultimately still losing his dad, locke losing his, kate killing her step-dad/dad, Sayid's girl while alive, was married to his brother, etc. but they were all generally happy.

I wouldn't say that's a perfect way to look at it, but I think it definitely makes sense of why the island was sunk/non existent to them there.

Edit - it was used to throw people off and have them guessing through the season, but it wasn't irrelevant imo.

[Edited on May 24, 2010 at 10:39 AM. Reason : .]

5/24/2010 10:34:58 AM

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"was it flawless? Hell no, there are plenty of minor holes and interesting questions and subplots that were abandoned."

Are you fucking kidding me? Minor holes? You're calling that list of items minor holes?

There are plenty of minor stuff I dont care about like specifics about what Dharma was doing, why pregnant people had issues on the island, what was the egyptian shit, why does the island heal some and not others etc. That is minor. What I listed was not minor. The producers used that shit to drive the story and keep people interested.

Go back and look at the previous season threads. Look at what they are discussing. Its all filler now because the finale essentially made the island and anything about it irrelevant to the resolution of the story. Thats not 'minor'.

My main problem isnt that they didnt answer all of those questions. I've been well aware they wouldn't just as most have been.

My problem is that the way they explained it made all of the stuff the audience was invested in and interested in completely pointless to the story of the characters.


[Edited on May 24, 2010 at 10:40 AM. Reason : *]

5/24/2010 10:37:52 AM

^^it's only irrelevant in terms of the 'actual' timeline, and only relevant to the flash sideways timeline (i don't like calling it purgatory, because that's not really what it is -- more of a transitional stage between life and afterlife).

^ are you telling me you don't understand what the word 'and' means?


[Edited on May 24, 2010 at 10:42 AM. Reason : .]

5/24/2010 10:39:07 AM

My interpretation is that the Jacob/MiB plot did matter quite a bit in that had the MiB succeeded and put out the light, that not only the the island would be destroyed, but life would come to an end. I thought that when Jack replaced the plug and restored the light that he saved the world. This was based off of Jacob's and Jacob's adopted Mom's musings about protecting the island otherwise you and everyone you ever knew will die, bla bla bla.

The more I think about it, the more I am OK with the ending. I really enjoyed the last episode, lots of really emotional realizatins/reunions. It gave us a sense of closure and a sense of peace for all the characters that we became so invested in.

All the people whining and throwing a fit about unanswered questions and being unsatisfied with the finale seem to be so focused on the details that they're neglecting the soul of the show, missing the forest for the trees. It's a shame, because if you could simply lose yourself in the characters and emotion, then the finale was really enjoyable and rewarding.

5/24/2010 10:39:48 AM

What if we're not the ones that can't see the forest for the trees. What if it really did suck?

5/24/2010 10:42:37 AM

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"it's only irrelevant in terms of the 'actual' timeline, and only relevant to the flash sideways timeline"

Its not relevant to the flash sideways. The characters could have gone through anything together in the 'actual' timeline and the flash sideways would have meant the same thing.

5/24/2010 10:43:20 AM

yes, and it was one of those "anythings"

I don't think you know what the word 'relevant' means either.

[Edited on May 24, 2010 at 10:44 AM. Reason : a]

5/24/2010 10:44:22 AM