i've been seeing surprisingly little cheese (and most people i've played in Gold have been pretty GM too) in 1v1, but seeing it pretty notoriously in 2v2.. I was Plat 1v1 in Seasons 1&2 and am Gold now despite pretty hardily winning my placement match. Kinda curious how they calculate your ranking - do they go by minerals mined, workers killed/produced, apm?

7/29/2011 7:04:13 PM

The only thing taken into account is the result.

Go a few pages back, there is a link to a team liquid thread that describes exactly how MMR works.

7/29/2011 9:27:51 PM

Quote :

"Kinda curious how they calculate your ranking - do they go by minerals mined, workers killed/produced, apm?"

^What he said: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=142211

[Edited on July 30, 2011 at 2:16 PM. Reason : -]

7/30/2011 2:16:18 PM

Had a big turnout at Ruckus today to watch some MLG games. http://alkatraz919.imgur.com/raleigh_barcraft__mlg_anaheim#Jwhsf

7/30/2011 10:24:49 PM

On for a bit this morning if anyone wants to play.

FLuE.301. Will play any variety of team games.

7/31/2011 10:25:58 AM

Anaheim was horrible to watch. Very few good games, foreigners fail to show up.

The entire weekend was just how many workers terran could kill with hellions. Horrible.

8/1/2011 9:50:13 AM

I wouldn't say it was horrible, there were plenty of epic matches (Boxer vs. Rain - wtf). But I would've definitely preferred to see more foreigners & non-terrans in the semi-finals.

saw this on reddit this morning:

8/1/2011 10:33:48 AM

Some of it was good, some not so much.

The lack of Zergs there at the end and the amount of TvT got old quick. Just way to much Slayers Terran talent at the event.

So a fun week of ladder dealing with 20 blue flame helions each game.

8/1/2011 12:11:27 PM

Yeah, luckily I'm going on vacation for a week so I'll get to miss a lot of the hellion fun. Pretty much no choice but to build at least 2-3 spines or 5-6 roaches now.

8/1/2011 12:41:12 PM

It isn't going to be fun. It is hard to scout, and know if it is blue flame helion, mass blue flame helion, just a few helions and then a tech switch to tank marine, if a banshee might show up(although not as often do you see banshee anymore). Plus drops are a concern as well.

If you make to many spines you will be behind. Not enough you are dead. Go roaches that helps but then pretty much you are letting them get their expansion up and going since you can't really pressure with the roaches like speed lings could.

I'm guessing I'll be going some type of infestor/ling/baneling now and go double evo chambers and get super fast upgrades. Get a macro hatch to mass lings fast.

Sucks too because seemed like zerg was starting to make some headway in the matchup with the infestor/brood type play and now it is just back to losing in the first 10 minutes again.

[Edited on August 1, 2011 at 12:58 PM. Reason : ]

8/1/2011 12:57:56 PM

what about nonstop queen production? too slow/immobile?

8/1/2011 1:02:36 PM

Pretty much. They're not terribly mobile and don't do enough damage to really stop the attack. They just delay it. Not to mention the fact that you'd need at least 3-4 queens. Two to block your ramp (because you'll have expanded by the time blue flame hits) and at least one to get kited around by the helions.

The best thing to compare it to is zergling harass, except with a far more powerful unit that's ranged and going against a race that can't wall off.

I'd say the best counter to it is just to baneling bust, but end of the day, once a helion is up a good player can make your banelings worthless.

This ignores the fact that even if you scout the blue flame, there's no guarantee that they won't just helion drop you, something you have no real defense for at the time of game it comes.

[Edited on August 1, 2011 at 2:21 PM. Reason : .]

8/1/2011 2:19:25 PM

Timing of a bling bust is really to late. They'll have 2 helions out and then you are pretty toast. It is so easy to scout at this point too.

Some early roach/ling pressure could work well if you can get some ramp vision with an OL.

Timings for Zerg just suck right now. They either need to make a few upgrades tier 1 instead of needing a lair like roach speed or bling speed, and lair build time, spire build time, both need to be shorter.

Honestly, its just yet another thing you have to prepare for and can't be 100% sure is even coming. I think I'm going to switch to protoss, just go 8 Gate blink stalker it would be much easier.

8/1/2011 2:59:32 PM

I just rolled 110 3/1 banelings into this Terran base.

It was exactly as awesome as it sounds.

He lifted his main CC though

[Edited on August 1, 2011 at 6:21 PM. Reason : This guy wasn't very good though. It was 4 base vs 2 base and I had complete map control.]

[Edited on August 1, 2011 at 6:21 PM. Reason : That's how you kill a Terran though!]

8/1/2011 6:20:32 PM

we should start sharing our replays

8/4/2011 12:52:46 PM

I dont know if anyone here watches Destiny's stream, but what is the program he has that has all the information on his recent matches, apm, etc, and it also saves replays and uploads them to some site?

8/4/2011 1:13:50 PM

Let me know if anyone wants to do some practice on the new ladder maps.

I'm not messing with 1v1 ladder at the moment till I play a few games on each map, but it is tough to get customs on any of them but Xel Naga and I'm tired of playing that map, can only hold off a bunker rush so many times before it gets old.

I'm still playing zerg and would rather practice against T and P, but don't mind some ZvZ although I do pretty much the same ZvZ build no matter what so not much to gain from that.

8/4/2011 1:42:29 PM

^I'd be down later tonight.

8/4/2011 2:51:01 PM

Sounds good should be on around 9.

8/4/2011 3:43:09 PM

I lied!

Playing LoZ:OoT with my roommate.

8/4/2011 10:52:35 PM

just won 4 straight games with a mothership/mass recall rush. every match ended with them saying "LOL" then quitting.

8/5/2011 3:49:05 AM

What league? And... replays?

8/5/2011 3:54:15 AM

Johnny: i gotta see this shit!

8/5/2011 11:40:42 AM

Oh man... making a claim like that with no replays to back it up is a bold move in this thread.

8/5/2011 11:49:50 AM

I just had the most amazing 1v1. I cant believe I won it, best game I have ever played. Hands are still shaking. You guys should have seen it.

8/5/2011 2:36:55 PM

^ haha

8/5/2011 4:25:29 PM

Just played an hour and 30 minute long game, i used practically every zerg unit, mind controlled a probe and built every toss unit and ended the game by mothershipping his entire 200/200 mmm force into a ton of mass recalled banelings. It was epic.

8/6/2011 7:42:57 AM

^Is that just a long metaphor for what your wedding preparations have been like and are going?

8/6/2011 9:36:19 AM

Haha no we are having a great time.

8/6/2011 3:08:31 PM

^Do you know a place called Angel's in Fuquay? I got invited on facebook to go there for a party on the 19th.


Also, went 6 and 0 with titans78 on Sunday afternoon.

8/8/2011 10:33:30 AM

^4
Where's the replay? You can't say that and not post the replay.

8/8/2011 10:44:49 AM

I live near Fuquay never heard of that place.

Alk and I had some good team games. Fun mix of some rush games and macro games. I've gotten so use to playing 2v2 with Zags and both playing Zerg I forgot how nice it was to have a Terran partner making helions and marines which both own in 2s especially with lings. Plus on a lot of the new maps he could wall off the front and I could take a protected expand, and I'm generally pretty tough to beat in 2's if I can get a 2nd base up and going early.

Been having a lot of success lately changing how I've been playing both ZvP and ZvT in 1s. Been starting to go quick upgrades for lings(double evo) with infestors early. Hold off any early aggression with that off 2 base, and then once I get my 3rd getting to ultras pretty fast, before the 15 minute mark. The infestors take care of any drop play/air, and the ultras are coming out with 2/2 upgrades and then get the ling attack upgrade as well. Banelings aren't as needed since fungal can do about the same damage. Fully upgraded lings and ultras with infestor support pretty much handle anything, you have good mobility, and it is pretty fun getting those ultras out probably about 5 min sooner then I'd typically do it. The fungals really make ultras suck a lot less. The build and upgrades just seem to flow really well, and it cuts out any extra buildings and upgrades like a spire, or roach warren, or range attack upgrade.

8/8/2011 12:55:15 PM

Next week's Funday Monday topic is this:

Play a 2v2
One player makes GROUND FORCES ONLY, and the other makes only AIR FORCES ONLY. You must announce this at the start of the match.

Who's down? titans I'm looking at you cause zags is MIA for a couple more days.

8/9/2011 12:37:49 AM

The list hasn't been posted in a while and there are people posting in here who aren't on the list.


Tww username: name.character code
Azaka: Azaka.422 (real ID: dslowder@gmail.com)
BigEgo: ProtisRobit.535
titans78: FLuE.301
Lokken: Lokken.762
JCE2011:AdmiralHaket.306
icyhotpatch: Unity.156
JBaz: JBaz.283
Stimwalt: Stimwalt.306
slackerb: slackerb.591
Doss2k: Doss.357
Doss2k friend: Phoebetor.944
Fry: Lionhart.667
sprocket: sprocket.441
dzags18:zags.414
Wolfmarsh: Lazarus.765
Specter: zmatter.195
mountainlion: Razor.720

8/9/2011 1:45:35 AM

titans, I believe the program Destiny uses is sc2gears. You can DL it on TL.net. The author Dakota Fanning has a thread for it and it's usually on the first page of the SC2 General Forums. I could never figure out how to setup the auto-replay saving feature. Good Luck!

8/9/2011 1:57:23 AM

I would like to add my name to the list. I have been lurking on TWW for over a decade and in this thread since it began. I consistently get beat by Lokken who taught me everything I know about zerg play. I'm Gold level and if anyone wants a free win I'm up for a game if my First Wife will grant me enough time to play. Be warned, before each match I will cry imba about the map and/or race since I play Zerg.

Calrizzian: Calrizzian.489

8/9/2011 9:07:55 AM

ALkatraz: ALkatraz.934

8/9/2011 10:43:16 AM

^^Yeah feel free to add me. I'm always up for team games, monobattle, practice 1s, whatever when I'm on. Still really need more 1s work on the new maps before I get back to actual ladder, don't feel like losing 9 games in a row again because I don't know any of the maps aside from Xel.

The Funday Monday seems easy enough to do, I'd be up for it. If I went fast expand mutas, and you went one base marines and just fed me gas I'd be able to churn mutas out and it would work well. Zags and I have a build where we do that, he'll go defense with spines and queens while getting mass upgrade lings and just feed me gas going fast mutas. Always worked well.

8/9/2011 11:28:08 AM

I suck as well but will add some of you guys. Maybe I should stop playing as Random on ladder and just settle down on a race

8/9/2011 12:14:23 PM

^^What about ling to roach with medivac support? You make a ton of macro hatches and I can take bases and feed extra resources. Nydus around the map attacking and I can harass with banshees and/or ravens.

[Edited on August 9, 2011 at 1:40 PM. Reason : -]

8/9/2011 1:39:07 PM

That could work. Probably go like ling/infestor/ultra and you should go medivac and ravens. If it isn't interesting or different I guess no point in doing it, muta marine would be pretty boring.

8/9/2011 2:49:39 PM

Yea, I want to mass medivac for tanking units. Also, burrowed roach/infestor is fun. Also, if I can MULE up and send you tons of cash, you can spend more larva on units instead of drones.

[Edited on August 9, 2011 at 4:01 PM. Reason : -]

8/9/2011 4:00:30 PM

i might actually have time to play tomorrow

8/9/2011 9:51:11 PM

Ill be playing tomorrow morning for the first time in a while. I bet i will lose a lot.

8/9/2011 10:34:24 PM

i suck, but id like to play and learn from others. im a bronze leaguer, protoss.

Jhonatan on SC

8/9/2011 10:59:28 PM

need the character code

8/9/2011 11:03:27 PM

how do i do that? haha nub

8/10/2011 12:54:34 AM

When you are in game, go to add friend and the window that pops up will have your character code listed.

8/10/2011 12:56:37 AM

^Or mouse over your icon in the top right.

8/10/2011 8:41:35 AM

yeah i think after duty (probably around 1900 to 1915ish) i'll be looking to play some starcraft, although if zags or titans isn't on that'll likely be sotis haha

8/10/2011 5:36:19 PM