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dannydigtl
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i gotta terminal so i can hack shit.

got winterboard, but still gotta find a theme.

i'm looking into intelliscreen now. looks slick, but its $5.

9/23/2008 7:29:37 AM

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10 day free trial

9/23/2008 7:37:51 AM

dannydigtl
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installing now. i ran out of quota from my ISP 3 days before the end of the month so now its throttled down to 64kbs. gaaaaaaaaaawd. i'm dying trying to do this shit.

Just to double check, its still save to hook up to itunes, backup, buy legit apps, right? it'll still sync w/ my purchased legit apps? i can do anything except update the iphone software through itunes, right?

9/23/2008 8:03:24 AM

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yep

9/23/2008 8:04:16 AM

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wow, amazing.... in response to developers complaining that after months of work, their Apps are being rejected by Apple because they "duplicate functionality", Apple has now included the rejection letters as part of the overarching iPhone Developer NDA
http://www.tuaw.com/2008/09/23/effin-nda-now-applies-to-rejection-letters-too/
http://www.macrumors.com/2008/09/23/apple-extends-non-disclosure-to-app-store-rejection-letters/

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Aparently, Apple has now started labeling their rejection letters with Non-Disclosure (NDA) warnings:

THE INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THIS MESSAGE IS UNDER NON-DISCLOSURE

Readers should note that Apple's developer correspondence may have already been covered by the original NDA, but Apple is now making it clear."


hey Apple:
+ NDA =

[Edited on September 23, 2008 at 6:13 PM. Reason : .]

9/23/2008 6:13:20 PM

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apps Ive installed so far

aim
airsharing
blackjack
wikipanion
urbanspoon
gpstracker
profootball(scores)
touchterm
flashlight
pandora
flycast
stitcher

[Edited on September 23, 2008 at 6:24 PM. Reason : added stitcher]

9/23/2008 6:17:13 PM

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^^ yeah that crap pisses me off. i might actually get rid of mine when my contract is up if they keep on this course

[Edited on September 23, 2008 at 7:06 PM. Reason : .]

9/23/2008 7:06:14 PM

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There's nothing Apple can do that will make people who complain about this happy. Apple's options are

1. Ban or block 3rd party apps that duplicate current or future OS features.
2. Release Apple apps that compete directly with 3rd party apps, likely winning since Apple's version will work better with the OS.
3. Don't develop apps that are similar to 3rd party apps.
4. Announce its development plans well in advance to warn 3rd part developers to steer clear.


How good is each option for developers and for apple??

1. Ban or block 3rd party apps that duplicate current or future OS features
- Developers who get blocked whine about wasted efforts.
- Developers get bought out by Apple if their app is good. These guys are happy.
- Developers who get through don't care (assuming they aren't developing anything that will likely be annexed by Apple).
- Apple likes this option because they have absolute control. However, denials do tip their hand somewhat (hence the new NDAs). They have to deal with negative press from whiners, some developers drop out.

2. Release Apple apps that compete directly with 3rd party apps, likely winning since Apple's version will work better with the OS.
- Developers who get outcompeted whine forever, like these Konfabulator guys.
- Developers get bought out by Apple if their app is good. These guys are happy.
- Developers who survive are disappointed because they lose profits to Apple's app.
- Developers with non-competing apps don't care.
- Apple loses some control. They still have to deal with negative press from whiners, some developers drop out.

3. Don't develop apps that are similar to 3rd party apps.
- Best option for developers.
- Apple has no control and relies on 3rd part developers to come along to lead the platform in innovative directions. They don't have to deal with developer whining.

4. Announce its development plans well in advance to warn 3rd part developers to steer clear.
- Close second option for developers.
- Apple and shareholders hate this because it goes completely against their event-based release mantra. Competitors get advanced notice of plans.

How does this affect the consumer?

First of all, the consumer doesn't give a flying fuck about third party developer. They do, however, care about the company that makes their expensive phone (at least for the contract and warranty period and however long they want to keep the phone)

1. No effect since Apple usually makes the best version or buys out the best version and beneficial if Apple gives app out for free with the OS.
2. No effect since Apple usually makes the best version or buys out the best version and beneficial if Apple gives app out for free with the OS.
3. Get apps that are less integrated/solid. Less ambitious apps since they can't change the OS.
4. No effect. Consumers get the best possible apps, here.


So, as a consumer who is not ideological and who is simply looking for the best phone, 1, 2, and 4 are fine with me. As a shareholder, 3 and 4 are out of the question.

I like option 2 the best. It's pretty obvious that this is the best balance between developer, apple, and consumer interest.

Nevertheless, option 2 has probably generated just as much whining for apple as much as option 1. Until these most recent cases, the Konfabulator story was THE example that people held up as evidence of how Apple is evil. The Konfabulator story draws no sympathy from me, though. Apple's product turned out better. Konfabulator developers need to get over it.


[Edited on September 23, 2008 at 8:07 PM. Reason : .]

9/23/2008 7:55:22 PM

agentlion
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^ plz to read http://wilshipley.com/blog/2008/09/iphone-app-store-let-market-decide.html

you seem to be missing the entire point of open competition.
Does Apple (or Microsoft, or any OS company) release an API, then prevent developers from creating applications that duplicate built-in apps? NO, because that would be fucking retarded

9/23/2008 9:09:52 PM

agentlion
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New old Fake Steve Jobs weighs in
Quote :
"I hate to say it but Apple may end up reliving its nightmare experience in the personal computer market — that is, arriving ahead of everyone else (in 1984) with a device that was really cool and really well built and really showed what the platform could do, but then keeping everything closed and thereby ending up a niche player. Will iPhone end up being the Macintosh redux? I wonder."

http://realdanlyons.com/blog/2008/09/23/thoughts-on-g1-and-apple/

9/23/2008 9:39:54 PM

skokiaan
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^^Please to read what I actually wrote. You seem to be missing the part where I say I want them to allow all apps through, but I don't want 3rd party developers to whine when they lose.

[Edited on September 23, 2008 at 9:41 PM. Reason : .]

9/23/2008 9:40:41 PM

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then what is the solution? if they let all apps through, 3rd party developers are going to whine.

9/23/2008 9:49:44 PM

skokiaan
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Did you write that correctly -- if apple lets all apps through, those app developers will complain? For what reason?

9/23/2008 9:53:19 PM

dannydigtl
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i must say this jailbreak is quite cool. Def worth it. very easy, and no cons that i've seen so far. The Cydia and Installer sofware/package managers are slick.

so far i've got a emohax0r Leopard theme going one w/ a five icon dock. got the terminal and ssh stuff goining, played w/ intelliscreen (which imo, isnt that great), got folders/catagories setup. oh yeah!

9/23/2008 10:19:42 PM

neodata686
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Wish i could jailbreak my ipod touch.

9/23/2008 10:34:30 PM

evan
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does anyone else notice that a bit of the backlight shows through between the chrome and the screen on the front left side near the volume buttons?

it's bugging the crap out of me... trying to decide if this is a common issue or i should go trade it in for a new one...

9/24/2008 12:09:15 AM

evan
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SRSLY should i take it back to at&t to be exchanged?

i need to know before i jailbreak this mofo

9/24/2008 6:14:43 PM

TJB627
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A lot of people on Macrumors have had that issue and IIRC have had them exchanged successfully. I haven't seen mine do that so I can't really comment.

9/24/2008 6:44:54 PM

dannydigtl
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evan, i double checked mine last night while reading in the dark. nope, not a drop of light on mine...

9/24/2008 10:06:56 PM

evan
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aw :\

yeah, i read the thread on macrumors a little bit ago... guess i'll be making a trip to the at&t store tomorrow.

i got it from the at&t store since my account is so complicated - does anyone know if they'll do an exchange on the spot? i know they will at the apple store, but i don't feel like driving to crabtree tomorrow.

9/24/2008 10:18:43 PM

agentlion
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http://www.macworld.com/article/135729/2008/09/app_store_policies.html

9/25/2008 8:31:21 AM

evan
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exchanged it this morning

no backlight bleed... but 2 bad pixels on the screen they're not visible unless i have the lcd display solid black...

what do you guys think... go trade it in again? or wait until applecare is almost up and use the 2 dead pixels as an excuse to get it replaced despite whatever damage i've done to it?

9/25/2008 4:36:04 PM

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quit being a bitch..you just admitted you don't even notice it

9/25/2008 4:42:42 PM

ncsuapex
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whats a good x to mp4 converter that the iphone will recognize?

Ive tried: avidemux but that didnt work


for vista or centos

[Edited on September 25, 2008 at 4:46 PM. Reason : .]

9/25/2008 4:42:52 PM

evan
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visualhub

9/25/2008 4:44:21 PM

ncsuapex
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for linux this worked


ffmpeg -i file.wmv -acodec aac -ab 128kb -vcodec mpeg4 -b 1200kb -mbd 2 -flags +4mv+trell -aic 2 -cmp 2 -subcmp 2 -s 320x180 file.mp4

9/25/2008 7:30:09 PM

TJB627
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^^^I found a program called Super for windows that's free and seems to do a great job.

9/26/2008 12:54:26 AM

philihp
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^^is the best solution.

9/26/2008 2:40:57 AM

ncsuapex
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i tested a small wmv and it played on my iphone, trying a larger mpg to see how that goes. Just a pain in the ass to convert it on my linux box then move it over to my laptop to sync it with my iphone

9/26/2008 10:12:54 AM

El Nachó
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Hey I've got an idea. Lets take the best internet browsing experience available on a phone and make it worse.

http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/27/iphone-gets-tweaked-safari-in-firmware-2-2/

Done.

9/28/2008 12:54:27 AM

moron
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^^ you realize ffmpeg, being open source, has both OS X AND Windows implementations?

9/28/2008 12:56:26 AM

neodata686
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anyone played kroll?

9/30/2008 5:21:28 PM

ncsuapex
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^^ yes but I try to stay away from doing anything serious on a windows machine.

9/30/2008 5:23:24 PM

dannydigtl
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^thats retarded. I've ripped and converted all kinds of DVDs and movies to various formats from PSP to iphone to ipod using Windows XP on an older PC w/o a hiccup.

[Edited on September 30, 2008 at 9:40 PM. Reason : kjkj]

9/30/2008 9:40:41 PM

ncsuapex
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good for you. you wanna cookie?

9/30/2008 9:57:26 PM

TallyHo
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there's also vlc4iphone if you're willing to jailbreak your phone and pay a couple bucks

10/1/2008 10:40:00 AM

El Nachó
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Quote :
"anyone played kroll?"


It's ok. The graphics are good. IMO, it just showcases the need for a real controller for the iphone if they're gonna have action type games. Force Unleashed was better.

10/1/2008 2:47:38 PM

neodata686
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Someone needs to jailbreak the 2g ipod already. I want the emulators.

10/1/2008 3:14:17 PM

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The NDA is lifted "for released software". This should greatly enhance how applications are developed and debugged.
http://developer.apple.com/iphone/program/
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/08/10/01/apple_drops_iphone_nda_for_released_software.html

10/1/2008 3:32:22 PM

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the true iphone

http://web.archive.org/web/20011031022957/www.zdnet.com/products/stories/reviews/0,4161,2307571,00.html

10/1/2008 7:03:21 PM

agentlion
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here's a brief intro/overview to the SDK if anyone is interested in trying some coding.
http://arstechnica.com/articles/culture/iphone-sdk.ars

10/2/2008 11:20:34 AM

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What are your opinions on the AT&T reception and 3G reception in Cary/Raleigh or other parts of NC. I have been without a cell phone for near a year and am considering getting the iPhone purely for all the features besides a phone and a lot of web browsing.

Could you guys give me thoughts on if its worth it in our area? I've read a lot of negatives based off reception (att and 3g).

Thank you!

10/2/2008 4:21:13 PM

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I live in cary, and I have not ever had a dropped call for any of the iphone software versions. So, for me, things seem to be pretty awesome.

10/3/2008 8:30:43 AM

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I had a lot of dropped calls on the old firmware for some reason.. I honestly barely talk on the phone so it's not a huge issue for me and it seems to be a lot better now as I haven't had any dropped calls lately.

[Edited on October 3, 2008 at 8:36 AM. Reason : also, dropped calls were while going down 85 from gboro to spartanburg, not raleigh]

10/3/2008 8:36:15 AM

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this was posted in TSB, but not here yet.

Official iPhone app for Barack Obama
http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/iphone

A co-worker downloaded it and we played with it, and it's really, really well done. It's obvious they were not just trying to take his website and put it on the iPhone, but they really took advantage of many of the unique features of the iPhone. For example, it will go through your address book and group your contacts by the state they live in and order it by battle-ground states, then give you a list of people to call and mark as "voting", "undecided", etc. And it will use your location to find local events for you to attend.
very, very well done.

It will be great when/if he's elected President to if the iPhone app (and other apps) will continue to be supported. It will be a revolutionary way to keep up to date with a President's message or what he's doing day-to-day

10/3/2008 8:52:54 AM

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facebook 2.0 finally released. Now its actually a functional app.

10/3/2008 6:18:21 PM

ncsuapex
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Ive been having A LOT of dropped calls the past few days. I read somewhere that it was an issue with 3G and that if you turned it off it would fix the dropped calls problem. I just turned off 3G but havent called anyone to see if that actually works. I did upgrade to 2.0 the day I got my phone. Is there a better fix than turning off 3G?


edit: I live/work in Cary


[Edited on October 3, 2008 at 6:58 PM. Reason : .]

10/3/2008 6:42:50 PM

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Quote :
"I just turned off 3G butr havent called anyone to see if that actually works. I did upgrade to 2.0 the day I got my phone."


does not compute. You DID upgrade to 2.0 the day you got your phone? All 3G phones came shipped with 2.0...

10/3/2008 6:48:12 PM

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I've had an iPhone since the day the first version came out and have had never had a dropped call, not even one, zero......in fact, in the entire time I have owned a cell phone (since 1996) I have probably had less than 10 dropped calls so all these dropped call reports blow my mind

10/3/2008 6:50:41 PM

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new facebook app is awesome

10/3/2008 6:53:51 PM

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