ryan wasnt as highly regarded after his junior year. he was still going to be the best qb in the acc b/c acc qbs sucked ass but the top QB going into the year was brohm and ryan was in discussion, but with an average year couldve ended up a 2nd-3rd round pick

6/2/2009 7:23:42 PM

Quote :

"ryan wasnt as highly regarded after his junior year. he was still going to be the best qb in the acc b/c acc qbs sucked ass but the top QB going into the year was brohm and ryan was in discussion, but with an average year couldve ended up a 2nd-3rd round pick"

I don't see what your point is, he was still undoubtedly the best QB in the conference going into his senior season which is one of the plethora of reasons why only a retard would have expected much, if any of a drop off for BC in Jags first year. Not to mention the fact that one of the main reasons why he wasn't as highly touted as Brohm (who has done NOTHING in the NFL by the way) going into his senior season was that he played almost his entire junior year with a broken foot. You can keep on believing that BC is like the Patriots, where they can just plug in any players and they'll still be really good, but I've already listed PLENTY of reasons why they will suck this year even though they didn't suck last year or the year before.

[Edited on June 2, 2009 at 8:46 PM. Reason : . ]

6/2/2009 8:32:58 PM

bc obviously isnt like the patriots, because theyve had ridiculous HC turnover while the one constant in NE is belicheck

im just saying, im not going to pronounce them dead til I see it with my own eyes. Do I expect them to win the division next year? hell no but im not going to write them in as a lock for last place either

and I think there is some 20/20 hindsight going on with Ryan. He was a good QB back then, but he was not Jesus. He wasnt great his JR year b/c he was injured? Fine, but he only played like half his soph year (and wasnt great then either IIRC) so there was no other track record to go on. At the beginning of last year Cullen Harper was projected to be the best QB in the ACC and a possible first day pick, that turned out real well. Also, as we learned with Philip, QB is not the only position on the field

and it wasnt a matter of BC falling off, they actually got better in Ryan's SR year, peaking at #2 in the rankings. I think the expectation was that theyd screwed up by giving TOB the Herb treatment, and would stutter the first year w/o him (maybe finish with a similar record or slightly under), then fall off pretty hard. Yet two years later, they were still brining their 60 fans down to Tampa

6/2/2009 9:54:35 PM

Quote :

"im just saying, im not going to pronounce them dead til I see it with my own eyes. Do I expect them to win the division next year? hell no but im not going to write them in as a lock for last place either"

I can understand that, since they definitely exceeded expectations last year, but at the same time you've got to look at personnel. They've already lost their two best linebackers (possibly for the whole season) due to injury/cancer, their best player overall on defense (Raji) and a slew of contributors on offense. They also don't have a single QB on their roster who's played a down of college football, whereas last year they had a 5th year senior who actually had some experience playing at the college level (even if sparingly).

Quote :

"He wasnt great his JR year b/c he was injured? Fine"

I didn't say he wasn't great, you said that...I just said that the reason he wasn't the MOST highly touted QB going into his senior year was because his numbers (which were still very good) were depressed because of his injury.

Quote :

"He completed 243 of 398 passes for 2,700 yards, 14 touchdowns and 8 interceptions. He also ran for three touchdowns. He was All-ACC first-team and led the ACC in total offense (242.2 yards per game) and in passing yards (245.5 yards per game)."

that's pretty fucking good even if you ignore that fact that he played the majority of the season with a broken foot.

Quote :

"Yet two years later, they were still brining their 60 fans down to Tampa"

yeah but it's not like they dominated the ACC, they won the Atlantic by the skin of their teeth and were only 1 game ahead of the last place team in the division. They also put up a pretty poor performance in the ACC championship game and subsequently lost to Vandy in their bowl game.

[Edited on June 2, 2009 at 10:48 PM. Reason : .]

6/2/2009 10:47:41 PM

Pete Thomas article sounds really good. Bible flew out to Cali to watch him throw last weekend because he won't be able to attend camp.

6/3/2009 2:20:09 PM

Quote :

"and I think there is some 20/20 hindsight going on with Ryan. He was a good QB back then, but he was not Jesus. He wasnt great his JR year b/c he was injured? Fine, but he only played like half his soph year (and wasnt great then either IIRC) so there was no other track record to go on. At the beginning of last year Cullen Harper was projected to be the best QB in the ACC and a possible first day pick, that turned out real well. Also, as we learned with Philip, QB is not the only position on the field and it wasnt a matter of BC falling off, they actually got better in Ryan's SR year, peaking at #2 in the rankings. I think the expectation was that theyd screwed up by giving TOB the Herb treatment, and would stutter the first year w/o him (maybe finish with a similar record or slightly under), then fall off pretty hard. Yet two years later, they were still brining their 60 fans down to Tampa"

I'm really not following your line of thought here.

Yes BC achieved more after TOB left, but TOB left behind a huge # of 5th year seniors (15 I think), one of which was Matt Ryan. Besides, 1st year results for new head coaches are far and away NOT good indicators of future success.

Also, anyone who followed ACC football in 2007 knew that the league had only 1 elite QB (Ryan). Any expectations about Harper being the best were extinguished fairly early in the season. And after Ryan left the league had ZERO decent QBs. Shoot, Wilson won all-ACC honors last year despite missing ~4 games due to injury.

And yes, the QB is not the only guy on the field. But he sure has hell makes a big freakin' difference. Ask yourself - How much better was State with Wilson at QB? "A lot" would be a gross understatement. Ryan wasn't solely responsible for BC's success, but he sure as hell was a big reason for it. Watch the BC-VT game sometime and convince me that BC wins that game without Ryan. Please, just try.

BC will win ~7 games +/- one game, but they'll do no better than that.

6/3/2009 2:34:28 PM

^^cool, I was hoping that article had some good news about him...I have to wait a few days for it to show up on google cache to read it.

[Edited on June 3, 2009 at 2:38 PM. Reason : .]

6/3/2009 2:34:59 PM

i just read it on google cache

6/3/2009 2:38:29 PM

^how'd you manage that?

6/3/2009 2:41:04 PM

Just google search the article's name a day or two after it's been posted and click "Cached" under the link.

6/3/2009 2:53:52 PM

I think what he means is that it hasnt been cached yet, but ^^^ got it some how

6/3/2009 2:54:37 PM

cache:northcarolinastate.scout.com/2/869427.html

6/3/2009 2:56:03 PM

Quote :

"Just google search the article's name a day or two after it's been posted and click "Cached" under the link."

yeah I know how to do that, but dude said he read the article TODAY on google cache.

^that link doesn't work for me in firefox

6/3/2009 2:59:18 PM

dunno what to say

it worked for me in firefox

[Edited on June 3, 2009 at 3:00 PM. Reason : ^also, not a link. did you copy and paste that into google?]

6/3/2009 3:00:13 PM

^no I did not, and thank you very much!

6/3/2009 3:02:14 PM

hahaha
no problem

6/3/2009 3:03:44 PM

If you're using IE you have to put it in as http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:northcarolinastate.scout.com/2/869427.html

Ah, just read what you guys said, well, you can pretty much just replace the part after cache: with whatever story you want to read unless it has funny characters in the name then you have to be a little more creative.

[Edited on June 3, 2009 at 3:12 PM. Reason : edit]

6/3/2009 3:12:00 PM

damn, that article was a good read...Pete Thomas sounds like he REALLY likes us, the only thing that makes me hesitant was that he mentioned looking at the depth chart as a big factor in his decision and with Wilson and Glennon on our roster (not to mention Proctor) there's probably not much of a chance for him to play early. Of course USC has that same problem, with an even bigger logjam at QB so maybe it's not that big of a deal.

[Edited on June 3, 2009 at 3:16 PM. Reason : . ]

6/3/2009 3:15:12 PM

so how would you do the creecy article?

sweet tits, now i dont have to wait

6/3/2009 3:15:36 PM

I would think he'd like the depth chart here. There no guarantee that Wilson will still be around when he gets to school, Proctor probably has a lot of work to do to be a collegiate QB, and Glennon will be a sophomore. He could possibly be the 2nd string QB as a true freshman. Not likely, but it's not a bad looking depth chart.

6/3/2009 4:51:34 PM

certainly a better chance to play early than USC, that's for sure

i don't know if i'd sign at a school that just picked up Matt Barkley the previous year

6/3/2009 5:02:36 PM

The packpride forums dont' go to the cache do they?

6/3/2009 5:21:57 PM

They used to, but Scout quickly locked that up once they found out a lot of people (many being users on here ) were reading premium board content for free.

6/3/2009 5:34:34 PM

P.J. Clyburn has two new offers from Arkansas and Kentucky to go along with offers from State, Illinois, and ECU.

6/4/2009 5:52:09 PM

Roanoke Rapids (NC) DE Kareem Martin has 13 offers.

Here's a list of all the schools that offered:
Clemson
Duke
Georgia Tech
Louisville
Maryland
North Carolina
N.C. State
Penn State
Stanford
Virginia
Virginia Tech
Wake Forest
East Carolina


Ethan Farmer has 9 offers as well as interest from Florida and UNC.

Schools that have offered:
Alabama
Clemson
Duke
N.C. State
Penn State
Tennessee
Virginia
Virginia Tech
East Carolina

6/4/2009 7:43:02 PM

not sure if this is worthy of its own thread, but adrian wilson just got a 4 year extension.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4231534

6/4/2009 10:45:03 PM

you're right, it's not worthy of its own thread, but what on earth makes you think it goes in the football recruiting thread when there's a pack players in the NFL thread?

6/5/2009 7:20:49 AM

per rivals, today.

Quote :

"Three colleges continue to be separating themselves in trying to land Raleigh (N.C.) Southeast Raleigh High rising senior linebacker Kendall Moore. NC State, Notre Dame and Florida State, have climbed to the upper tier of Moore's list, with LSU and Tennessee, rounding out his top five. The 6-foot-3, 232-pound Moore, who has around 15 offers, is ranked No. 14 at outside linebacker by Rivals.com, and is also in the Rivals250 for his class. "I'm thinking about cutting down my list in about two weeks," Moore said. "I'll probably cut it down to about seven, but I don't have a leader or anything like that. It could change, but it will probably be Notre Dame, NC State, Florida State, and a couple more. Those are the three main ones right now." NC State will always hold a special spot with Moore. The Wolfpack were the first school to offer, him and the local standout has attended various events over the last few years. "That means a lot to have them offer me and to discover me," Moore said. "They were the ones who told me right out of the gate that I could play." Moore said he often talks with NC State defensive coordinator Mike Archer and linebackers coach Andy McCollum. "I've been talking to a lot of the NC State coaches, " said Moore, who joked that the Wolfpack coaches have swarmed him during his recruitment. Moore thinks the Wolfpack view him as someone who could rush the passer from the outside linebacker position. "They talk about me being a defensive end or outside linebacker, so I could get some quarterback sacks," Moore said. "They talk about being like [former NCSU star] Mario Williams, and be a hybrid type. Mario Williams is a beast, and I'm trying to get my game like him. I follow [NC State outside linebacker] Nate Irving too." Moore has formed a good recruiting relationship with Notre Dame co-defensive coordinator/defensive backs coach Corwin Brown. "Coach Brown is a real good recruiter and I talk to him every week," Moore said. "He also calls my high school coach and he stays in real good contact with just everybody at my school and my parents." Brown is selling Moore on the idea of playing either of the two outside linebacker spots in the Fighting Irish 3-4 defense, but then moving inside later in his career. "I was happy with that plan because he sees me playing either linebacker spot," Moore said. "Right now, until I put on more weight or muscle, I think I'll be on the outside. I like either one." Moore's connection with Florida State also has deep ties with Raleigh. FSU linebackers coach Chuck Amato is the former NC State coach and is recruiting Moore for the Seminoles. "I've been real high on him [Amato] from the start," Moore said. "That is where they are coming from." Moore thinks he could make an impact at Florida State right away. "They are saying they have a shortage at linebacker, so they think I can play any of the linebacker spots, and are fine with me playing one of them," Moore said. "They like that I'm versatile, but they haven't specified which one." Moore doesn't think location will play that large of a role in his decision making process, but friends and family would be able to watch him play with NC State. "Wherever I can go and play and get a good education, the whole nine yards, I'm willing to go," Moore said. Moore is also studying the depth charts for the various schools on his list. "If they are stacked with linebackers that are freshman and sophomores, then I might not give them as serious a look as the other schools," Moore said. Moore plans on attending the Southern Cal Rising Stars camp and Tennessee's camp. He has attended NC State's June camp in the past, and he'll likely make an appearance to see some of his friends and watch the action. LSU and Tennessee both appeal to Moore in different ways, but neither has reportedly offered him yet. "My parents are from Louisiana, and my mom went to LSU," Moore said. "I'll be going to Tennessee for camp to check it out." "

6/5/2009 9:18:24 AM

While I don't agree with posting full premium articles....thanks

6/5/2009 11:06:45 AM

shit. i didnt realize i was logged in and this was premium.

apologies to anyone in cyberspace...

6/5/2009 11:20:48 AM

Oh I just assumed it was, no worries here

6/5/2009 11:30:52 AM

I agree with posting full articles, thanks

6/5/2009 11:46:59 AM

Quote :

""With how they ended last season winning the last four or five games, we should be good. They lost the bowl game because Russell Wilson got hurt, but I think we'll make it to the ACC Championship Game.""

- Jarvis Byrd


He'll be rooming with Brandan Bishop, Rashard Smith, and Morgan Alexander. He knows Smith and Bishop, but hasn't met Alexander yet. Also DeAndre Morgan has been in contact with him. If he gets early playing time then it would be at nickel corner.

6/6/2009 1:57:42 AM

^
If he qualifies.

6/6/2009 2:01:23 AM

Yeah hopefully. I'm confident he'll get it done b/c of the way he sounded, but who knows.

6/6/2009 2:02:33 AM

how is it that Texas can have a nearly complete class by summer time every year? They have 19 commitments already!

6/6/2009 10:44:39 AM

Texas always recruit early, being the main school in Texas, it's not that hard to recruit.

6/6/2009 2:22:52 PM

being a consistent top 5 program doesn't hurt either.

6/6/2009 3:57:19 PM

Southern Cal is probably the only other program that can employ as many recruiting angles as Texas can. Top 5 programs, superstar coaches, NFL pipelines, fantastic academics, and in cities that have something to appeal to everyone.

6/6/2009 4:05:11 PM

If Kobe Bryant played football he would dominate that shit and I bet you Anything he would Never even think about playing for NC State with our dumbass playaction on 3rd and 20 playcalling. Or even better. 4th and 30. This is for the game. Let me guess...qb sneak. Of Course. Dammit.

6/6/2009 5:05:00 PM

^wat. Where did that rant even come from?

6/6/2009 5:16:14 PM

^^ I think he forgot that Noel Mazzone isnt here anymore

6/6/2009 5:27:46 PM

Trolling Sports Talk...

somehow I miss OhBoyeee

6/6/2009 5:30:26 PM

please don't say his name

6/6/2009 5:36:12 PM

well at least Zack McCray didn't pick UNC. They were in his top 4.

From ESPN Insider:

Touted defensive end Zack McCray picks Hokies

Zack McCray, an ESPNU 150 Watch List defensive end from Brookville (Lynchburg, Va.), who had 20 sacks as a junior, has committed to Virginia Tech for the Class of 2010.

The 6-foot-4, 235-pound prospect also considered Alabama, LSU, North Carolina, Tennesse, North Carolina State and Virginia. Among many others were West Virginia, Boston College, Duke, Maryland, Nebraska and UCLA.

During the 2008 season, McCray also totaled 87 tackles, two fumble recoveries and one interception.

The Hokies now have nine pledges.

6/6/2009 6:10:42 PM

yeah, Namwob's post came out of like the left field foul area, or he/she was just cryogenically thawed

6/7/2009 1:59:44 AM

http://blogs.citizen-times.com/blogs/index.php?blog=15

Tyler Brosius has committed to play for Virginia.

6/8/2009 3:48:30 PM

I was happy to see that.

6/8/2009 3:52:58 PM

This can be a draw-back to having a late QB camp, you have to ask the recruit to hold-out for a potential offer. But at the same time, hopefully Pete Thomas will work out for us, that would be a great early addition to our class to go with the Juco's, Singer, and Crisp.

6/8/2009 4:00:01 PM

USC has backed off Thomas for the time being

6/8/2009 4:27:10 PM