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"The way this is framed any government spending while we're at deficit is wrong. Can't agree with that. We definitely need to reduce spending everywhere while maintaining necessary programs like welfare and education."

Aren't you a parent? And you think it's fine to create financial obligations for your children, without their consent and without their input? You should be ashamed.

I want to make sure I'm being clear. I'm not trolling and I'm not grandstanding. You should actually feel shame and embarrassment for supporting the policy of taking out debt for present day consumption. If only your children were capable of understanding that you, their protector and guardian, were selling them down the river. I can only imagine the hurt and distrust they would feel towards you.

It's just...mind blowing. The idea that we should spend future prosperity to fund a public school system which is terrible. A public school system that is some combination of prison and subsidized daycare. A child, in this country and in this day and age, ends up spending more time with their teachers than they spend with their parents, and they don't even get a good education from it.

8/6/2012 12:14:50 PM

you should be ashamed. your children would be hurt and distrustful of you if they only knew. one day they may know, and then they will never speak to you again, and you will deserve it, because you're essentially stealing from their piggy bank.

^that was ridiculous.

8/6/2012 12:48:30 PM

We invest in science education now and get scientific advancement in the future.

I don't think it's fine. I think it's necessary. We can't just abandon our citizenry and expect to flourish as a country. Yes we need to pay down the debt but not at the expense of necessary expenditures (like science education and welfare).

Paying for education and welfare isn't selling future generations up the river. It's preventing the country from devolving further into crime and illiteracy. It's pointless to continue this conversation further on this topic because you think the free market will magically protect and educate everyone better than government can so in your mind anything the government does is wasting money. I'm not convinced.

Quote :

"The idea that we should spend future prosperity to fund a public school system which is terrible."

We should work toward not spending future prosperity and not destroy our society in the meantime. Not spending future prosperity should be a goal, but not at the expense of all else.

8/6/2012 12:49:08 PM

Wtf.

You should be ashamed of your response. Using someone's children to guilt and shame them into agreeing with you is worse than the political grandstanding and lying that happens in Washington today. You are a piece of shit.

I sincerely believe you when you say you're not trolling. You aren't. You're just a loose lipped, opinionated, fucktard who needs a good swig of bleach to wash down that humble pie.

What you fucking quoted was nothing damning. He's not saying he wants to maintain a budget deficit. He's saying he doesn't want to end every single ficking cent of spending at the expense of the general welfare of this country like you do.

You have some fucking disillusioned view that capitalism can fix everything. It can If you ignore the inherent greed of such a system. Communism can work too, if you ignore the laziness and corruption that such a system promotes. You criticize the government for being ineffective, filled with lazy and unmotivated workers who squander away everyone's money. And your. Critisms are right. But your solution has just as many pitfalls as our current systems. While you're capable of casting light on our problems, you are either inept at finding problems with libertarianism or you're just plain fucking naive. Personally, I think it's the latter of the two. But I digress. I don't really fucking care about your own stupidity and your inability to spot problems with your own logic.

The fact is you are in no position to degrade someone for their beliefs in the manner that you did. You have no room to call him selfish and for not caring about his children when you're guilty of being heartless towards those who would be negatively impacted by your own beliefs if they were to be put into practice. If he's a piece of shit, then you're worse than the ass who created him.

Drink bleach and die, faggot.

8/6/2012 12:51:06 PM

I don't expect to convince anyone here of anything. I'm way beyond that point. Most of you can't be helped.

When you believe that it is moral and virtuous to lock up (or threaten to lock up) people simply because they disagree, then we have nothing to discuss. When those are your beliefs, you don't have a respectable moral system. I don't care what your alleged "ends" are. Oh, great. You want to steal and kill...but it's for the children, or it's for the poor. I don't give a shit.

I don't want to talk about capitalism, or the free market, or economics. Just morality. We all accept that it's wrong to initiate force in our daily lives. It would be wrong for me to come up to you and punch in the face, unprovoked. It would be wrong for me to rob your house. But, suddenly, when the government does it, it magically becomes okay. That's not logically consistent.

Your justifications are built upon the premise that all this spending is going to pay off. We're going to have a great society, we just need a little more deficit spending. Only in retrospect will you be able to understand how wrong you were. The era of U.S. hegemony has come to an end, and it's going to be a hell of a hangover.

[Edited on August 6, 2012 at 1:22 PM. Reason : ]

8/6/2012 1:16:46 PM

I thought i've seen rational posts of yours before that lead to actual discussion and debate.

but wtf, these last two posts of yours come across as the rantings of a raving lunatic.

[Edited on August 6, 2012 at 1:25 PM. Reason : ]

8/6/2012 1:24:40 PM

In response to disco_stu:

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""declared martial law in peace time" When did that happen?"

Obama signed an executive order on March 12, 2012 declaring martial law in peacetime:


Executive Order -- National Defense Resources Preparedness
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2012/03/16/executive-order-national-defense-resources-preparedness


Then on On Friday, July 6, 2012, he declared martial law on all forms of communication:

President Barack Obama signed Executive Order No. 13618, "Assignment of National Security and Emergency Preparedness Communications Functions," granting the Department of Homeland Security "powers to prioritize government communications over privately owned telephone and Internet systems in emergencies"

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2012/07/06/executive-order-assignment-national-security-and-emergency-preparedness-

Quote :

"Not sure what this has to do with Obama. This is Congress' job, right?"

On January 12, 2009 President Bush stated that if President Obama desired the second installment of TARP funds, then he would move forward with the request. President-elect Obama immediately asked President Bush to request the funds.


@Bullet: what a flip-flopper! please post a link to the video of him saying that 4 days after his inauguration.

The only reason I know it's four days is because I was watching everyday and that's how long it took for him to reverse his platforms.

here is a good link of flip flops
http://youtu.be/ft_Mb-4nXJk

8/6/2012 1:27:04 PM

^^because theyre inheriting the debt.

[Edited on August 6, 2012 at 1:29 PM. Reason : -]

8/6/2012 1:29:02 PM

How can we have a rational discussion about the future of society if we don't talk about the rights of children?

I feel a great deal of bitterness towards previous generations that lived the high life on debt that will effectively be paid off by the working generation today. I imagine that future generations will feel the same towards us if we don't make good decisions.

Call me crazy, you won't hurt my feelings. I sincerely feel that taking out debt for present-day consumption to be paid off by future generations is one of the most heinous and despicable practices in modern society. Yeah, the sentiment strikes a nerve because it forces people to grapple with a dark and uncomfortable truth.

[Edited on August 6, 2012 at 1:34 PM. Reason : ]

8/6/2012 1:29:48 PM

So far Ron Paul is left off the list of speakers at the Tampa Convention.



http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/08/06/with-convention-speakers-named-romneys-vp-list-appears-to-narrow/

8/6/2012 2:06:00 PM

disco_stu when did you become a liberal?

8/6/2012 3:49:50 PM

8/7/2012 11:57:39 AM

Quote :

"disco_stu when did you become a liberal?"

I've never self-identified as either a conservative nor a liberal but I have always (since posting on this board at least) atheist and pro-equality. Recently I have changed my stance on the death penalty (now against) and feminism (probably full of shit). Not sure if that last one is in line with big L liberalism or not.

I guess "doesn't mind paying taxes to help poor and undereducated people" makes me a liberal. <shrug>

8/7/2012 1:07:20 PM

http://iroots.org/2012/08/09/poll-should-republicans-dump-romney-in-tampa/

Poll: Should Republicans Dump Romney in Tampa?
Yes. (97%, 2,616 Votes)
No. (3%, 80 Votes)


If so, who should Republicans nominate at the GOP convention in Tampa?

Ron Paul (92%, 2,631 Votes)
Other (3%, 75 Votes)
Paul Ryan (2%, 48 Votes)
Rick Santorum (1%, 29 Votes)
Gov. Chris Christie (1%, 21 Votes)
Condoleezza Rice (1%, 16 Votes)
Jeb Bush (1%, 15 Votes)
General David Petraeus (0%, 8 Votes)
Marco Rubio (0%, 7 Votes)

8/10/2012 1:43:49 PM

In a poll of 3000 Ron Paul supporters, 92% would choose Paul as their preferred nominee.

8/10/2012 1:58:30 PM

How is he not banned yet

8/10/2012 2:00:57 PM

It's fair game for you to post this poll on Mitt Romney's page. Nobody is stopping you.








I can't because they banned me for posting pictures of Romney's empty rallies about 4 months ago.

8/10/2012 2:11:04 PM

The fact that you take that poll at all seriously is why you should be banned. You're a colossal moron.

8/10/2012 2:18:31 PM

Seriously?!? who the fuck is taking the poll seriously except for you?

8/10/2012 2:19:41 PM

LOL. We are witnessing art of the highest degree.

8/10/2012 2:25:33 PM

8/10/2012 2:33:56 PM

Why did you post it then? Are you trying to remind us all what a hopeless and pathetic circlejerk of delusion, paranoia, and persecution complexes every single Paul fansite is?

Are you merely a court jester at this point, farting in your own mouth so we can all clap in amusement?

8/10/2012 2:34:17 PM

^^

8/10/2012 2:34:57 PM

GeniusXBoy is trolling me by posting the same stupid shit he always does and always has

8/10/2012 2:36:35 PM

is this thread still going?

8/12/2012 1:53:40 AM

8/12/2012 3:09:27 PM

If only...

If only the media would report honestly about what the big banks are doing.
If only the media would report honestly about to whom the big banks are giving money.
If only the media would report honestly on Ron Paul's ideas.
If only the media would report honestly on what the GOP is doing to Ron Paul supporters.
If only the media would report honestly.
If only OWS would take an honest look at their darling president.


That (^) would be a possibility.

8/13/2012 9:00:04 AM

8/17/2012 4:45:55 PM

you think he's a god among men, dontcha?

8/17/2012 4:54:15 PM

Don't be jealous that he is the god of liberty and you are the god of douche.

8/17/2012 5:10:39 PM

Ron Paul will never be president.

Maybe all of Ron Paul's supporters should move to the same state and elect him governor.

I would like that

8/17/2012 5:23:28 PM

the god of liberty

8/17/2012 5:23:59 PM

People who say he will never be president are the lamest people on the planet.

He'll never be president because people like you who say he will never be president for no good reason except to say he will never be president.

8/17/2012 5:32:06 PM

why would a god want to be president

8/17/2012 5:49:20 PM

Why would Jazon ask such a stupid question?

8/17/2012 6:05:27 PM

GOD OF LIBERTY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111111

8/17/2012 6:12:27 PM

Thank you for taking the context out of this solar system, you may come back down to Earth now.

8/17/2012 6:22:28 PM

I would rather Ron Paul not be president.

But with a voter based comprised of larpers and best buy employees I dont really need to worry.

8/18/2012 8:07:17 AM

Who would you rather be President?

That is, if you could choose anyone who was legally allowed to be President (yes, even Obama), who would you choose?

Or are you just trolling?

8/18/2012 12:51:56 PM

At the time I was trolling.

I'd rather have an oligarchy.

8/18/2012 1:58:22 PM

Ron Paul Supporter Owns RomneyRyan.com - Story Goes Viral


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9_t8QuRb4Y

8/19/2012 8:21:20 PM

That guy is the exact reason Ron Paul will never be president.

Was he high or just a mouth breather?

8/20/2012 8:55:03 AM

"Priebus points out the congressman's son, Kentucky GOP Sen. Rand Paul, has what he calls a "very prominent speaking place" at the convention."

"the man who is technically still a candidate for president has no speaking role"


Read more: http://politics.blogs.foxnews.com/2012/08/19/rnc-chair-welcomes-rep-paul-his-supporters-gop-convention#ixzz2481rPhwC

8/20/2012 6:36:35 PM

Quote :

"TAMPA -- Ron Paul says he turned down an offer to speak here at the Republican National Convention because he didn't want to endorse Mitt Romney or clear his remarks with his ex-rival's campaign. "It wouldn't be my speech," Paul told The New York Times in an interview. "That would undo everything I've done in the last 30 years. I don't fully endorse him for president." The Times story says convention planners offered the Texas congressman a speaking role, but only if Paul gave a "full-fledged endorsement of Mr. Romney" and agreed to have his remarks vetted. http://content.usatoday.com/communities/onpolitics/post/2012/08/ron-paul-endorse-mitt-romney-gop-convention-speech-/1#.UDxz6aCOu1h "

8/28/2012 3:41:23 AM

TAMPA – The new logo was everywhere at the Ron Paul Rally at the University of South Florida Sun Dome on Sunday. Gone were the iconic REVOLUTION symbols to which liberty lovers have become accustomed. In its place was a new logo. It was on every T-shirt. It was on every banner. It was on the jumbotron behind the speakers. It was even printed on the media credentials.

“REPUBLICAN.” Same font. Same colors. Same red box.

The logo hijacking wasn’t the slick work of Madison Avenue subtlety. It was being rubbed in the noses of Ron Paul supporters, who – for the most part – seemed to devour it like sheep at a feed troth. The Ron Paul RepubliCAN shirts, hats and buttons were flying off the rack.

I wondered to myself, are these the Ron Paul supporters that I’ve come to know? How could they possibly buy into this heavy-handed takeover of an organic liberty movement? It seemed impossible. There was little doubt that the GOP establishment was behind it.

As I scanned the VIP seating area, I noticed several faces that were very unlikely supporters. In fact, many were high-ranking party loyalists who have consistently attempted to derail the Ron Paul rEVOLution at every opportunity. These were the same people who have worked to silence and marginalize Dr. Paul. Yet they cheered as if they were hanging banners from overpasses in 2008.

The Grand Old Party was clearly telling Paul supporters, “We’ve tolerated your insolence for long enough. You children have had your fun. Now we order you to fall back in line.”

Gone was the organic, grass-roots message. In its place was the GOP party machine. Either Ron Paul didn’t notice, or he was powerless to prevent it.

There was even a subtle, but noticeable, difference in Dr. Paul’s speech on Sunday. While the message hadn’t changed, it was as if he was holding something back. It seemed that many of the roughly 6,000 Paul supporters also noticed the change in tone. And whatever it was, it contributed to the slightly uneasy vibe of the event, which at times seemed more like a memorial service than a rally.


http://1787network.com/2012/08/gop-attempts-to-hijack-a-revolution-as-torch-passes-from-paul-to-johnson/5277

8/28/2012 2:57:16 PM

Chanting erupts on floor of RNC between Ron Paul and Mitt Romney supporters


There was an awkward moment on the convention floor this afternoon, just minutes before the official start of Day 2.

Rep. Ron Paul showed up and the hall erupted in whistles and cheers. But the mood changed when a chant of "President Paul, President Paul" started up from a large number of people on the floor.

Paul responded with a small smile.

Clearly, some Mitt Romney supporters were not pleased with this turn of events. A chant of "Rom-ney, Rom-ney," started up, and the Ron Paul supporters picked up their chant to compensate.

After a few seconds, it was clear that the Paul supporters were winning in the war of words and the Romney supporters quieted down. Later chants included "Let him speak" and "seat him now." Paul was quietly escorted to a seat and the chanting died down.

Read more: http://www.abcactionnews.com/dpp/news/political/shouting-match-erupts-on-floor-of-rnc-between-ron-paul-and-mitt-romney-supporters#ixzz24rwhLv95

8/28/2012 3:03:18 PM

Ron Paul got Lei'd (sp) by Hawaii!

8/28/2012 3:50:08 PM

RON PAUL!

9/6/2012 11:13:23 PM

Ron Paul, straight talk 9/10/2012

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AiPNYMjJSU&feature=youtu.be

9/10/2012 4:35:59 AM

Anyone else want to rethink their criticism of Ron Paul?

9/13/2012 11:48:31 PM