Game is in a really sad state right now and that nerf isn't helping. Neural parasite is now 95% useless (still has a little use in grabbing tanks). I was #9 masters yesterday, dropped to #32 in my division after losing around 10 games in a row, all to ridiculous cheese, all by terrans. Literally played like 12 in a row against terrans. Shit like three games in a row that were double proxy rax at my door step without being scouted in a 4 player map? What the fuck. And terrans maneuverability is so fucking ridiculous. They really need a nerf to factory time imo. Hellions need to cost 100 minerals/25 gas, factory time increased by 10 seconds, that will make things much much better.

9/9/2011 9:18:42 PM

can still NP immortals but yes it seems like a strong nerf

9/9/2011 10:29:19 PM

To quote a guy on Something Awful

Quote :

"Oh good a minor Z nerf for PvZ. Meanwhile there are 20 terrans in Code S "

9/9/2011 11:51:23 PM

So we were playing a 2v2... titans78 was playing random and got terran, I was zerg. We've been playing around with random/z lately, though its rough as hes still much much better as zerg. Anyways - our opponents, some dude named Pandii and LiquidRet.

Yeah. And it really was Ret.

And we stomped them

http://www.sc2replayed.com/replay-videos/12887

9/9/2011 11:57:46 PM

Nice!

9/10/2011 12:44:42 AM

Yeah I just thought it was someone using a fake name like people do.

So I was like "O LOOK ITS RET. I BET ALL EUROPEAN PRO GAMERS PLAY 2v2 ON THE US SERVER." I just always hate when people pick pro gamers names and then try to pretend they are them in chat rooms and stuff. Then we win, and look at his profile and I was like, Oh I guess European pro gamers do play 2s on the US server.

And I found out Pandii is his girlfriend, so I guess 2 average players are > 1 Pro + girlfriend.

9/10/2011 1:12:06 AM

lol - d/led and watched. You guys calling him out on not being Ret was classic. gg. watched from his persepctive, love how he kept checking on what his g/f was doing.

9/11/2011 9:39:58 AM

As a feeler, do you guys play any PC games other than SC2?

9/11/2011 11:05:07 PM

nope

9/12/2011 9:25:32 AM

bit of WoW, lot of D3 soon (i hope), tons of steam games

9/12/2011 3:02:32 PM

K, I've been playing some counterstrike source on the side. Just see if someone else wanted to play too.

9/12/2011 3:34:16 PM

As of right now I don't play any other games. Once I get my new PC built this summer I'll be playing d3, skyrim, etc.

Just had an LOL zvz on shakuras. I open +1 slings, he blindly opens baneling xpo like a punk. After stupidly losing some lings trying to make something happen I sit back and macro straight to infestors. I end up pushing out with all my lings with my infestors burrowed behind to the watchtower - he had an overlord outside my base so he saw all the lings, but hadnt seen the infestors yet. Meanwhile I see him push out with 20 roaches and 8 infestors, basically instadeath to me. Except thanks to the watchtower I got a drop on his infestors - two fungals later and they were all dead. Then the roaches died to the lings + infestors.

He said "Wow" and quit.

9/14/2011 6:48:23 AM

It's all about positioning.

9/14/2011 9:22:02 AM

Yeah the timing was perfect, I was considering pushing without burrow as he had a ton of spores in base, but then decided to get burrow to hide the infestors as long as possible. Definitely paid off.

9/14/2011 9:54:19 AM

Played 2 this morning and got cannon'ed into DT's and then blue flame helion/marine elevator dropped. Wasn't very happy.

9/14/2011 1:24:18 PM

Off raced as zerg in a FFA. Did well with Mass Roach + Mass queen until the last guy attacked with Mothership + mass voids. =/

9/14/2011 6:43:42 PM

was everything mined out? if not if i'd exchange armies and macro up a ton of hydras asap.

ive started playing zerg in 2v2 and 3v3. im amazed at how well 6/7/8pool still works (at least up through platinum)

9/14/2011 7:40:50 PM

how does toss beat a 111?

9/14/2011 7:44:29 PM

I lost my queens and GGed it was just me a him left. He had all his voids still.

9/14/2011 7:48:24 PM

Quote :

"how does toss beat a 111?"

They don't.

9/14/2011 8:32:50 PM

Mass voids like that you'd need a ton of fungals and hope to catch them all grouped and take them all out with chain fungals. Otherwise pretty much gg.

The consensus right now is that Toss needs to fast expand to beat the 111 and hope the terran makes some mistakes. You need the added economy from the expansion to stop it. If you go one base you will have no problem stopping the initial push, but the problem is you won't stop the 2nd or 3rd push that comes without the expand.

I think most think the immortal change in the next patch will really help. I'm assuming most will do some type of expand/3-4 gate/robo immortal build and it will stop it.

9/14/2011 10:27:49 PM

Any plat or higher protoss players want to play some, i need some practice 1v1 in ZvP.

Username: Psykorage
Code: 514

9/14/2011 10:48:44 PM

I can off race some toss, flue.301 hit me up. Prob low diamond level toss, although I know I could play toss full time and ffe to masters easy.

9/14/2011 10:52:01 PM

^^Got your message and added you. Usually on in the evenings if I'm not to busy and I'll hit you up for some 1s.

9/15/2011 11:42:47 AM

Quote :

"We thank those of you who participated in the 1.4 PTR and appreciate your feedback regarding changes to the Infestor unit. In response to that feedback, we have chosen a different course of action regarding adjustment of Neural Parasite. Rather than preventing this ability from targeting Massive Units, the range of Neural Parasite will instead be reduced from 9 to 7. We believe that this change will make choices regarding positioning and unit composition more important when using the Infestor."

9/15/2011 2:52:22 PM

clearly

zerg has not had to worry about army positioning before this

9/15/2011 3:39:15 PM

What a joke, thats almost just as bad. Now its harder to neural tanks.

9/15/2011 3:39:21 PM

A good read on tracking performance and improvement: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=266019

9/16/2011 3:04:43 PM

It is really annoying because as a stand alone unit, for its cost and what it is capable of doing the infestor is OP. If you can get NP off, good fungals, etc. it might be the best unit in the game. You have to have good micro, but even just 1 good fungal is a ton of dps even if the infestor dies.

However, Zerg is also OP against certain timings, and points in the game especially early game. Sentries own every early game zerg unit, and marine/tank can basically wipe out everything before Hive tech like nothing.

So it sucks they are nerfing infestors because the unit itself is a bit strong, but it was the one unit saving Zerg. Considering they are nerfing infestors, and giving nothing in return such as quicker and cheaper lair/hive tech time, hydra speed increase, faster spire build time, it really sucks.

9/16/2011 4:56:13 PM

Man this game is the ultimate paradox for me. I wanna play it again, I want to get back into it, but on the other hand I'm too lazy to do the work. I guess it is back to more EU3

9/16/2011 10:26:01 PM

Quote :

"However, Zerg is also OP against certain timings, and points in the game especially early game."

Wat?

9/17/2011 1:02:54 PM

I assumed he meant UP

9/17/2011 1:13:42 PM

Just played an annoying game.

Ordered dinner so had like 10 minutes to kill before i had to go pick it up. Thought i'd try a quick 2 rax proxy..if it didnt work then whatever.

I check 2 bases, he's not there...build two rax outside the last possible base..send in a handful of marines and he's not there either....

So i end up having to get up a factory and a few starports to look for him...was floating along the left side with his CC. Wonder if this is a reportable offense...obv probably not.

9/17/2011 2:38:32 PM

Yeah, welcome to reason #505 why Terran is bullshit.

9/17/2011 6:21:10 PM

^^ heres something related: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jQKvxh-_84

(seriously this is the best funday monday of all time)

9/17/2011 7:53:52 PM

I'm catching day9 live for once :O

9/19/2011 10:04:13 PM

Lol

[Edited on September 19, 2011 at 10:15 PM. Reason : me too]

9/19/2011 10:15:16 PM

Quote :

"I assumed he meant UP"

Yeah that is what I meant, sorry for confusion.

New patch today. The BF helion nerf will be nice, and hopefully the immortal change and WP change helps protoss out some.

9/20/2011 3:46:24 PM

New patch apparently has issues with some older video card drivers. So I can't play anymore without awful graphics lag. Sweet.

9/20/2011 4:51:44 PM

pffft, BF Hellion nerf wont slow us Terrans down. we have the best backup strategy:


MAKE

MORE

MARINES

9/20/2011 7:25:37 PM

Quote :

"(seriously this is the best funday monday of all time)"

I just watched all three parts. That was hilarious. Fusion Core dance!!

9/20/2011 9:16:33 PM

So as I can't play I decided to watch some streams while doing homework earlier... there weren't any of the zergs I usually watch on (Catz, Ret, Sen, Spanishwa) so I decided to check out Stephano.



The dude is the best zerg outside of Korea, hands down. Possibly even better then a large percentage of Korean zergs. His mechanics are incredibly good, his macro is nuts, his timing is perfect. He was literally just fucking around with guys on the Euro ladder (on which he is #1 with like an 80% win rate). I didn't see him lose one game.

Not to mention his stream is really fun to watch - he takes requests from people in the stream for what builds to do. For example one game he was told to only build zerglings vs a terran. He literally built nothing else until the very end when he just remaxed with roaches due to a decent number of hellions being out.

If you are a zerg go watch him play, now!

9/20/2011 9:16:37 PM

Quote :

"Fusion Core dance!!"

9/21/2011 10:04:05 AM

^^Interesting. Make Day9 do a daily on him so i'll watch him... or make him go to the next MLG

9/21/2011 4:31:11 PM

I'm not sure how he would do at an MLG only because I'm not sure about his lan tournament experience... but this guy is seriously skilled. He is streaming now if anyone wants to watch.

Blizzard still hasn't responded to the graphics bug problem, any of you having it? Seems a good amount of folks in the forums are. Game is basically unplayable at the moment.

9/21/2011 6:42:40 PM

I haven't had a problem.

9/21/2011 7:59:04 PM

Quote :

"but this guy is seriously skilled. He is streaming now if anyone wants to watch."

Got a link to his stream?

9/21/2011 8:20:19 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuGAXB93AQo


That's a Pretty intense game.

9/21/2011 9:06:45 PM

ROOTdestiny is ridiculously good. He plays on twitch.tv everyday.

9/21/2011 10:53:43 PM

Yeah he is probably the most popular streamer around in terms of constant viewership.

He isn't bad, improved a lot over the past few months and his games are very entertaining because he uses tons of infestors.

9/21/2011 11:15:16 PM