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4/18/2012 4:55:37 PM

Why does the pony with the biggest tail gotta be black?

4/18/2012 4:57:39 PM

4/18/2012 4:58:24 PM

man that judge was hot

4/18/2012 5:13:28 PM

lol I was wondering if I was the only one who thought that.

Def would be in contempt of court on that.

4/18/2012 5:14:23 PM

Hoodies apparently have a bad rap in the rest of the world as well.

From this page: http://chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=8087

Quote :

" A hoodie? Seriously? India GM Parimarjan Negi, rated 2639 "

4/18/2012 5:52:26 PM

Iranian WIM Shayesteh Ghader Pour, rated 2248, in her game against her husband ...

4/18/2012 5:54:23 PM

^ CHEATER!

4/18/2012 5:55:10 PM

The more important question is.

Why were you on chessbase.com?

4/18/2012 5:55:43 PM

What do you think?

4/18/2012 5:57:07 PM

To look at the hot chicks?

4/18/2012 6:01:48 PM

That and to read chess news.

OMFGNERDALERT!

4/18/2012 6:15:08 PM

lol "chess news"????

4/18/2012 6:27:02 PM

Oh yeah, I was looking for suspicious looking hooded individuals as well.

4/18/2012 6:53:03 PM

I've learned from this thread that tacolu doesn't know what a paragraph is and instead thinks that all sentences should be followed by a line break. I'd love to see any kind of document he prepares

4/18/2012 10:11:24 PM

End that sentence with a period, like this.

4/18/2012 10:49:46 PM

^^It took you this fucking long to realize this?







You are an idiot.







An idiot who doesn't know how to use periods.

4/18/2012 11:55:01 PM

The bond hearing is happening now. I'm curious as to whether any new evidence will be presented today in court. I think it may happen, because the onus of proving that Zimmerman is a danger to others, himself, or might flee is on the prosecutor








Zimmerman looks noticeably thinner.

4/20/2012 9:26:02 AM

4/20/2012 10:11:46 AM

^ That doesn't mean anything. Zimmerman probably just whipped up a mix of Trayvon's tears with strawberry skittles, iced tea, and salsa from the taco stand to make fake blood. Then he poured it on his head and had the police, who are also involved, take some pics. Come on, how more obvious could this be?

4/20/2012 10:16:23 AM

Do you have the article that photo goes with? Huge difference between that and the police station photo.

4/20/2012 10:52:09 AM

http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmerman-case-exclusive-photo-shows-bloodied-back/story?id=16177849#.T5FQs9lWBIQ

4/20/2012 10:57:48 AM

^The photo is like 5 or 6 years old...I can tell by some of the pixels and having seen my pictures in my time.

4/20/2012 11:08:45 AM

Judge set bond at $150k.

Zimmerman tells family "he didn't know if martin was armed".

4/20/2012 11:21:21 AM

BREAKING NEWS: Bond set at 0,000 for man accused of shooting Trayvon Martin
Apr 20, 2012 11:19 a.m.

A judge has set bond at 0,000 for George Zimmerman, who is accused of shooting and killing Trayvon Martin in Florida.

4/20/2012 11:21:40 AM

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"Yeah, it's going to be next to impossible for them to prove second degree murder and deny bail given the requirements of this hearing. Even if they could, they probably would be wise not to since it would reveal to the defense what their strategy will likely be during the actual criminal trial. So far, from the hour or so I've watched on TV they aren't doing a very good job, and Zimmerman's lawyer did a nice job of picking apart the probable cause affidavit, including getting one of the investigators to admit that he had no way of knowing who initiated the conflict and that saying Zimmerman initiated the confrontation with Martin was something they couldn't actually prove. Again, I don't know that Zimmerman is innocent or guilty, but I don't think there's anywhere near enough to support a second degree murder charge let alone enough to convict."

Here's what I said earlier in the soap box. Like I said, the fact that they had so little to present at the bond hearing either tells you that they don't have much evidence wise to begin with, or they weren't willing to show their hand strategically. I think probably the former.

There will be a lot of pissed off people when this guy isn't convicted.

4/20/2012 11:24:57 AM

yeah they should destroy their own neighborhoods in protest when it happens.

4/20/2012 11:35:37 AM

dat 190% bloody noggin isn't good for the prosecution, that's for sure

4/20/2012 11:42:20 AM

again, you missed the memo.

he was supposed to let trayvon beat the fuck out of him.

dats what you get when you follow someone.

4/20/2012 11:43:14 AM

Wow. Typically head wounds don't bleed very much. That much blood is a clear indication that deadly force was required.

4/20/2012 11:49:39 AM

ah yes.

i too typically restrain myself until my own blood pool reaches at least 3 feet in diameter.

fuck dis guy, damn beaner.

4/20/2012 11:50:42 AM

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"Yeah, it's going to be next to impossible for them to prove second degree murder and deny bail given the requirements of this hearing. Even if they could, they probably would be wise not to since it would reveal to the defense what their strategy will likely be during the actual criminal trial."

Forgive me if I just have a poor understanding of the judicial system, but....

Why exactly would the prosecution attempt to "prove second degree murder and deny bail" at a bond hearing? it would seem to me their goal would be to show either he's a flight risk or a danger to himself/the public in order to establish the need for bail. I think they were successful in that.

4/20/2012 12:06:48 PM

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"Wow. Typically head wounds don't bleed very much. That much blood is a clear indication that deadly force was required."

haha

4/20/2012 12:08:42 PM

What occured today is called an "Arthur hearing" and actually requires the prosecution to meet what is generally considered to be a higher burden of proof than in the criminal trial.

http://www.talkleft.com/story/2012/4/20/34421/3013

4/20/2012 12:10:48 PM

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"it would seem to me their goal would be to show either he's a flight risk or a danger to himself/the public in order to establish the need for bail. I think they were successful in that."

You think so? He should be able to post $150,000 and get out, if they had proven he was either a flight risk or a danger to anyone he'd be denied bail or it would be set impossibly high.

4/20/2012 12:12:10 PM

a little too high profile to be thinking of running anywhere.

4/20/2012 12:19:05 PM

^^^ right, so what I was getting at was the prosecution's goal at this hearing. Not to deny bail, but to set one.



I only was able to read snippets of the court proceedings so far, because as a black male, courts scare me

[Edited on April 20, 2012 at 12:26 PM. Reason : K]

4/20/2012 12:24:55 PM

Yeah, that plus the whole wanted dead or alive thing that the new black panther party put out should keep him pretty much sequestered to a safe house or at least his own home with police guards posted.

4/20/2012 12:25:08 PM

Actually no, the prosecution was attempting to deny bail, that's why they had this hearing. The prosecution lost so a bail was set.

4/20/2012 12:26:12 PM

Odag, u right. 2nd degree murder is a non-bondable offense, I think. ifthe defense and prosecution had agreed on a bond price, they wouldn't have had an arthur hearing.

4/20/2012 12:31:18 PM

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"I only was able to read snippets of the court proceedings so far, because as a black male, courts scare me"

Shit dude, as a person who has a semi-working knowledge of how fucked our legal system is courts scare me.

[Edited on April 20, 2012 at 12:33 PM. Reason : rer]

4/20/2012 12:32:39 PM

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"i too typically restrain myself until my own blood pool reaches at least 3 feet in diameter."

Yes but even in the event Zimmerman was attacked doesn't preclude the possibility that he was in the wrong. Unless you take the guy at his word, then there is still the possibility Zimmerman started the physical altercation or did any number of things that would legally allow Martin to use force, even deadly force. For example, if there was a confrontation (as opposed to a blind side attack) and Zimmerman intended to detain Martin until the police could get there, then he could be guilty of false imprisonment and thus guilty of murder. If he did ANYthing that can be construed as legally threatening force to detain Martin, then Martin had a legal right to defend himself from a forcible felony (false imprisonment).

[Edited on April 20, 2012 at 12:49 PM. Reason : ]

4/20/2012 12:46:13 PM

True, but you'd have to prove that. So far there's no evidence to support any of that, which is what makes the 2nd degree murder charge such a shitty decision unless there's some other incredible damning evidence that has yet to see the light of day all that you have is a guy who got banged up, a dead 17 year old, some incredibly shaky evidence from "ear witnesses", and the word of the banged up guy.

4/20/2012 12:49:26 PM

last two posts probably the best in the thread from a standpoint of relevance-

4/20/2012 12:56:30 PM

Both of those points have been brought up, and discussed into the ground

4/20/2012 1:04:11 PM

well lets just say, well written, simple, and a nice way to sum up this very long thread.

4/20/2012 1:12:22 PM

4/20/2012 1:38:46 PM

Quote :

"Shit dude, as a person who has a semi-working knowledge of how fucked our legal system is courts scare me."

Seriously, the more you know about the legal system, the more terrified you are of getting caught up in it.

4/20/2012 1:43:15 PM

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"True, but you'd have to prove that. So far there's no evidence to support any of that, which is what makes the 2nd degree murder charge such a shitty decision unless there's some other incredible damning evidence that has yet to see the light of day all that you have is a guy who got banged up, a dead 17 year old, some incredibly shaky evidence from "ear witnesses", and the word of the banged up guy. "

Exactly.

There is no way in hell they get a conviction based on what we know right now.


It looks more and more like they charged this guy to basically avoid race riots.

2nd degree murder charge that they know won't lead to a conviction.

So an innocent guy doesn't go to jail, and the black community doesn't start destroying things.

Win/Win

[Edited on April 20, 2012 at 2:31 PM. Reason : b]

4/20/2012 2:30:50 PM

Wow, Zimmerman's attorney basically DESTROYED the prosecution today.

They get the arrest warrant because the lead investigator, who's affidavit was the main reason for getting Zimmerman arrested, said in it that Zimmerman initiated the confrontation, then today on the stand he says he has no clue who started it and there is no evidence to support who started the fight.

LOL.


I wouldn't be shocked if this shit just gets thrown the fuck out and never even makes it to trial.

They basically just admitted on the stand that they have no clue who started the fight, which is the most IMPORTANT part if this case.

Also, the investigator said that Zimmerman continued to follow Martin, then today on the stand, said that there is no evidence to support this.

The prosecution are looking like a bunch of idiots right now.

[Edited on April 20, 2012 at 2:52 PM. Reason : .]

4/20/2012 2:49:36 PM