this movie kicked ass.

10/31/2005 10:27:35 PM

just got back from seeing this movie. It sucked

10/31/2005 11:38:39 PM

Watched it with ^, it was creepy and gory...but in all-it sucked.

10/31/2005 11:49:15 PM

i just watched it - i was impressed - when the needles scene happened i can imagine a lot of people leaving

10/31/2005 11:53:50 PM

better than the first one, but that isnt hard to do. pretty decent horror flick though

11/1/2005 12:47:39 AM

more action-oriented than the first...

i'll put them both on the same level; disturbing, but not that scary.

anyone else think it was funny/stupid/racist/etc. that the scene with the most "jump factor" was when that amanda chick turned around and jonah (the black guy) was standing right there. god, i hope his name was jonah.

11/1/2005 1:24:17 AM

oh i forgot, i went to the Sunday 10:10 showing at crossroads and when i was leaving there was a guy and girl standing blocking the left right exit, apparently the girl had gotten literally sick and had started throwing up because of the movie....felt bad for her

I've heard of people getting motion sickness and throwing up (i.e. Blair Witch Project) but i think this is the first movie I've ever seen/heard of someone becoming sick just because of the movie content

[Edited on November 1, 2005 at 1:45 AM. Reason : .]

11/1/2005 1:44:12 AM

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"apparently the girl had gotten literally sick and had started throwing up because of the movie....felt bad for her"

yes. in saw I many places reported viewers vomitting in the theatre.

[Edited on November 1, 2005 at 1:46 AM. Reason : =]

11/1/2005 1:46:15 AM

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"Dr. Gordon is still alive!!! In the first tape when Michael is watching the video: You see a large man operating on him, much larger than Jigsaw himself! Plud, Jigsaw is not a doctor, and the man in the video WALKED WITH A LIMP! This man is obviously Dr. Gordon and he is, for some reason, helping Jigsaw! Another Easter Egg that will hopefully be tied in in SAW III!"

[Edited on November 1, 2005 at 3:40 AM. Reason : -]

11/1/2005 3:14:54 AM

curius what SAW I would have been if it didnt have to be cut for an R rating.

18 seconds.


Theres an extra few seconds of Dr. Gordon cutting off his foot and Amanda playing with her cellmates guts.

also; The color was made more even and the sound was altered because the MPAA had problems with the tone of the original cut shown in Sundance

SAW II probably will get an uncut release.

[Edited on November 1, 2005 at 3:37 AM. Reason : -]

11/1/2005 3:25:25 AM

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"Okay, this is a pretty big plot hole but I'm open for feedback, I want to know what everyone thinks. At the end of the movie when Amanda is blocking the door with Daniel from Xavier, she DOES NOT NOTE the trap door in the floor UNTIL Jonas' blood pours over it to show the contrasts in elevation in the floorboards. This means one thing; Amanda DID NOT know the trap door was there. If she did, she would immediately seal the door and go for pushing the safe instead of dilly-dallying. Leigh screwed up badly; Why would Amanda play dumb and risk her life and Daniel's when his plays such an important role in her and John's game for the Detective? If she did know the trap door was there she would have immediately went for it as to not put the master plan in jeopardy..why wait a few more seconds for Xavier to bust down the door and own them both? If she's a cunning ninja that can KO people out of nowhere, then she can surely own even the angriest Xavier in the face with a spiked bat with no problems..WHY risk the master plan? And why wait for Daniel to kill Xavier? I guess you could argue that it was Daniel's turn in the game to kill someone..but again, why risk the master plan? It doesn't make much sense when you think about it."

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"Remember what Jigsaw said? Amanda must go through pain in order to be reborn... She survived the house... She's reborn as Jigsaw..."

i think the later explains A LOT

amanda is being tested and toyed with. she is part of the game. shes put in this hell hole defenseless.


explains why shes mad about X marks the spot. her job is to keep the boy safe, BUT SHE MUST PLAY BY THE RULES

if she made the rules, she would have made it easier to get the boy out alive



note this

the doc of I and detective of II BOTH have unkown fates

these guys are sequel smart. theres so much to deal with in saw III

(which will be out in fall 07)

[Edited on November 1, 2005 at 3:52 AM. Reason : -]

11/1/2005 3:28:36 AM

I think she didn't go for the trap door immediately because she didn't want to make it obvious that she was the real Jigsaw. If Xavier had broken in, it would have been pretty easy to smack him a few times with the bat.

11/1/2005 7:20:59 AM

of course. that would not be playing by the rules.

11/1/2005 7:30:37 AM

I thought the movie kicked ass...it wasnt scary, but it wasnt supposed to be scary, its billed as a gory, thriller which it is

I'd definetly recommend this movie

11/1/2005 4:43:25 PM

SHE ISNT JIGSAW
SHE IS HIS APPRENTICE
lol

but really her first test is the man when he wakes up in the room at the end of the movie
K?

k

11/1/2005 5:18:12 PM

man

i dont know if I want a Saw 3

i cant take the fast cut MTV editing another year

11/1/2005 5:19:44 PM

i think its funny they used the name of this guy's character as the main character

11/1/2005 10:47:16 PM

freedle

11/1/2005 10:48:17 PM

i hope to god that she doesn't wind up with AIDS or hepatitis in the next one. that would just push it a bit too far.

11/1/2005 11:12:40 PM

just saw it at 8 tonight
i just remembered a quote that i dont think has been mentioned in the thread so far

john told eric "when you're trapped in hell, only the devil can lead you out" or something like that

so i guess that could have been a bit of a hint at amanda leading daniel out?
but that's probably obvious bc im usually slow

11/1/2005 11:20:30 PM

i think he told that to the guy who put them all there, Obi i think.

they should have done more with him, and let that Fox reject get shot in the face.

11/1/2005 11:23:56 PM

^yea.....i think its something else

11/1/2005 11:24:09 PM

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"i also thought it was fucking funny when Obi was in the oven and didn't twist that shit with the devil beside it"

11/1/2005 11:25:17 PM

ok for some reason i feel like he said it when they were about to leave right before Eric pushed the elevator button


ill have to watch it again, there were a lot of flashback things to get organized

11/1/2005 11:26:33 PM

that was it. sort of a dead end there. i guess that would have shut the gas off?

11/1/2005 11:26:42 PM

too many easy outs

11/1/2005 11:27:58 PM

^7 (dweedle) The quote about the devil leading you out, or whatever was on Obi's tape and when he's in the furnace we see a flash of a shutoff valve that has the devil pointing at it and it says "release" or something like that. The only thing that I can't figure out is why Obi just sits there in the corner when he sees the shutoff valve. It's like he wanted to die there. Any thoughts on this one?

11/2/2005 12:18:18 AM

^ What someone mentioned to me was that the knob would have required him to cross the fire to reach it (at that point, the fire hadn't reached him yet).

Another assumption was that he feared it was a gas line and would've only made the fire worse.

In that situation, though, either of those would've been better (either live or die faster).

11/2/2005 12:26:41 AM

oh damn

i dunno why i couldnt piece that together

well maybe because i thought john said it to eric but now i remember

11/2/2005 12:31:57 AM

The devil quote was definitely on Obi's tape. As to why he didn't turn the knob, I guess he didn't see it, didn't get the connection, or there was just too much fire to cross.

You know, with 8 people and a house that big, you would've thought they could've found a weak point somewhere.

11/2/2005 12:38:26 AM

^ bricks are iron bars on windows and doors

you aint getting out

[Edited on November 2, 2005 at 2:16 AM. Reason : also they wouldnt know what antidote to ask for at an ER]

11/2/2005 2:15:45 AM

josh#'s - what do u think of my theory?

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"i thought of this theory that i havn't seen proposed anywhere else..... it's hard for me to accept that John simply selected Jonas, Xavier, Obi, Addison, Laura, Gus & Amanda based on them being set-up & arrested by Officer Matthews & this = the only test that was important in Saw 2. The test for Matthews to see his son alive again........... so i think maybe venus fly-trap michael ( an informant for officer matthews ) ratted on them all & that's why they ever were arrested .... we know xavier was a drug dealer & amanda / obi were called "addicts" & it makes sense none of them would make it public if they recognized xavier & it makes sense why xavier acted like he did - he got called out on his tape & felt threatened by the others now.... ??maybe "

11/2/2005 2:34:51 AM

yes -- i think the case for the first guy being the informant is quite good.

we know that jigsaw treats people differently, dr gordon gets the shaft in SAW I, but adam basicaly was given the chance to unlock himself and walk out. he was fucked with for just being a shadowy photographer. so its not true that the people in the benign roles of the puzzles have to have done somthing bad. then again maybe jigsaw just has something against photopraphers.

drug addicts or self mutilators seem to get fairly easy puzzles. dealers, asshole cops and bad family people; not so much. so id say, yes i see nothing conflicting with the idea that a few of these people were addicts in addition or apart from being set up by the detective.

if they were just nobodys who had been set up, you would think they would get smaller and easier puzzles and some of them would have lived


[Edited on November 2, 2005 at 4:26 AM. Reason : -]

11/2/2005 4:15:07 AM

I just saw this movie, and it's amazing. I dont get why Xavier felt he had to go kill everyone....all he wanted was the # on the back of their head.

11/3/2005 11:02:14 PM

I figured Obi didn't turn the knob because he was already tricked to turn on the furnace and lock himself inside, what's to keep the knob from being something worst?

^My best guess would be because he thought as soon as they figured out what he was doing, they'd all be fighting for that needle in the safe

11/3/2005 11:12:05 PM

makes sense

11/3/2005 11:23:19 PM

haha - that's funny as hell - Xavier didn't even have a # written on the back of his neck - it looked like to me, after he cut that fat off the back of his big dumb neck. he was embarassed. so he put that shit in his pocket haha.

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"[quote]I figured Obi didn't turn the knob because he was already tricked to turn on the furnace and lock himself inside, what's to keep the knob from being something worst? "

[/quote]

Obi didn't recollect what the hell that devil & the knob meant b/c he was on fire in a freggin' oven.
he'll cut his own neck a little but he goes into shock & panic when he gets burned.

[Edited on November 4, 2005 at 12:11 AM. Reason : kl]

11/4/2005 12:08:53 AM

^^There's something worse than being burned alive? Knowing jigsaw's style, if it wasn't actually a shutoff, it would be something to speed his death along a bit.

11/4/2005 12:11:13 AM

maybe obi's jewish

11/4/2005 12:12:45 AM

if a guy gets the crap beat out of him with a toilet bowl lid again, i'll watch it

11/4/2005 12:20:37 AM

^yea...i rewatched SAW I...again... and te camera angle and editting of when zep gets beaten by a toilet bowl lide is so memorable

11/4/2005 3:20:58 AM

maybe Obi was still hoping that they would be able to open the doors still and didn't want to tempt killing himself faster by turning the knob. I was thinking that it would be something to turn the gas up and burn him faster.

11/4/2005 8:05:50 AM

i just thought the valve was on the other side where the flames were really raging. going in there would be certain burnination so he just clung to the far side and hoped for the best.

either way i liked this movie better than the first one because it felt more cohesive. there were a lot of little things that bothered me in the house, but not enough to ruin my fun.

just in case no one else said them (since im not reading that massive thread):
1. oh no tiny little locks on the door, how could we possibly get in with this giant nail bat.
2. find a window much? he cant have boarded all the air holes perfectly, just air it out enough to live an extra hour.
3. convenient for their to be 2 identical abandoned houses and that one of them magically led to the middle-of-nowhere tunnel from the first (from a bedroom looking place no less). i havent seen number one in a while so i could be wrong about that though.

other than that, die paige from degrassi you spoiled sport you.

11/4/2005 9:03:52 AM

there weren't 2 houses, it was only one house. The video feed they were getting wasn't live, remember? He was playing the tapes from the house. It had already happened and the boy had been taken out and transported to the safe in the warehouse where all the cops had been questioning jigsaw. I guess the dead people and stuff were removed before the cops got to the house.

11/4/2005 12:29:31 PM

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"1. oh no tiny little locks on the door, how could we possibly get in with this giant nail bat. 2. find a window much? he cant have boarded all the air holes perfectly, just air it out enough to live an extra hour. 3. convenient for their to be 2 identical abandoned houses and that one of them magically led to the middle-of-nowhere tunnel from the first (from a bedroom looking place no less). i havent seen number one in a while so i could be wrong about that though. "

these points are all quite easily refuted. they are not plot holes.

number 2 doesnt even make sense. its not like they were running out of oxygen. no clue where you got that.



[Edited on November 4, 2005 at 12:46 PM. Reason : -]

11/4/2005 12:44:56 PM

i was thinking the cumulative effect of the gas was what was killing them, not just breathing it. i dont know much about nerve agents.

i thought it was 2 houses cuz i didnt see any dead bodies in the house when the police went, but when he was alone 1 or 2 minutes eariler they were all over the place. seems like it wouldnt be hard for the popo to find him if they went to the same place either.

11/4/2005 12:50:52 PM

there were 2 houses, one where the swat team goes and finds an empty house except for video equipment broadcasting a non live feed.

the second where donnie walhberg goes and walks through where there are still dead bodie and the lights are all off.

the movie shows walhberg in the house before the swat team gets to theirs, the lights being off pretty much clues you in to the fact that the video wasnt live before the movie explicity says it. the lights being off also tells about walhbergs character a little bit and the loss of rational thought when in extreme situations. it would be easy to tell (by walhberg) with the lights being off and the length of time that the dead bodies appear to have been sitting there that the video feed he has been watching wasnt live and that something else was up.

11/4/2005 1:47:08 PM

^^

well...the nerve agent really is a plot device. bottom line is, its a movie.

in reality, they would never get access to a good nerve agent nor its antidote. good nerve agents cause near instant paralysis, and the writers made it look like a supremely rapid TB infection for the scare effect.

[Edited on November 4, 2005 at 2:04 PM. Reason : =]

11/4/2005 2:04:22 PM

yeah, i mean, i realize that. it was just the little things that you look back on, i still enjoyed it.

11/4/2005 2:23:14 PM

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"3. convenient for their to be 2 identical abandoned houses "

Who ever said they were identical?

11/4/2005 2:47:03 PM