ps2 came out a lot earlier than the other 2 and thus had an established game library. add to that that many first generation xbox and gamecube titles didnt look much better than the nicer ps2 games.

add to that that tons of games are ports so they look very similar on all 3 systems.

this is a lot difference than a weaker non-HD system competing. i know they arent trying to compete but what i said will be true if people start looking at the graphics (which will be true of people buying presents and whatnot)

[Edited on December 7, 2005 at 10:14 AM. Reason : ^ re4 was a good usage of power, xbox could make it prettier if they tried.]

12/7/2005 10:13:32 AM

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"Does this mean that Revolution games will not be $60 a piece?"

lord I hope that's what it means, because I'll be damned if I'll pay for more than 2 or 3 games at that price.

12/7/2005 10:15:58 AM

I don't care what it does. As long as they come out with a new Zelda game for it by 2007/2008...
I'm already chomping at the bit to play Twilight Princess for gamecube.

[Edited on December 7, 2005 at 10:23 AM. Reason : ya]

12/7/2005 10:22:53 AM

The idea of a Zelda game on revolution is enough to make me buy the system. Twilight Princess is looking pretty hot too, though.

12/7/2005 10:24:44 AM

that is one of the main reasons I have stuck with Nintendo through the years...b/c i love the mario world (even though we haven't seen one in a while, sunshine and luigi's mansion were good, though)...metroids, zeldas...etc...
The zelda games are worth it to me...

12/7/2005 10:26:23 AM

i like um, but at the same time come to get bored/know what to expect. ive always liked playing a big variety of games instead of sequels, despite the fact nintendo does it well.

some obviously differ more than others, the new metroid was a good example and the marios at least employ some fresh ideas to an old system.

12/7/2005 10:33:56 AM

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"i like um, but at the same time come to get bored/know what to expect. ive always liked playing a big variety of games instead of sequels, despite the fact nintendo does it well."

As opposed to Microsoft's strategy of flooding the market with a million FPS's and sports games? With Nintendo, you get tons of variety from strange strategy (Pikmin) to massive sprawling worlds (Metroid, Zelda). With many of the Xbox games, its about as much difference b/w playing Madden 2k4 and Madden 2k5.

12/7/2005 1:25:14 PM

you do realize that, unlike nintendo sadly, xbox and ps2 had a ton of 3rd party games. people make a lot of fps's cuz it was easy on that system and they are popular. theres examples of interesting strategy games and sprawling worlds on all systems.

nintendo has a great first party lineup, but just like everyone else that does remakes it is often more of the same. every system has a big flux of certain games (i always say ps2 is the jap rpg and platformer system), but that doesnt mean they dont have others. plus fps's can be relatively diverse if done well (ww2 games are really nothing like q4 or hl2).

[Edited on December 7, 2005 at 2:53 PM. Reason : .]

12/7/2005 2:53:16 PM

the most recent EGM mentions a rumor that twilight princess might be pushed back even more and released on the revolution, but i doubt that will happen

if its true it was a really asshole thing to do since most people are only still holding onto their gamecubes because of that game

12/7/2005 9:36:09 PM

Revolution will play GameCube disks so when they release Zelda for GameCube as they continue to promise it will still play on the new system too. This will give people who don't own a GameCube another reason to buy a Revolution.

12/7/2005 9:45:46 PM

^^i dont see the problem. was there a huge demand for used gamecubes recently that i'm unaware of?

[Edited on December 7, 2005 at 9:46 PM. Reason : .]

12/7/2005 9:46:46 PM

not even 2 weeks ago IGN released a statement from Nintendo, and they repeatedly said any rumors that TP would be a revolution title ARE FALSE..
the game is still VERY MUCH a gamecube title

12/7/2005 9:57:02 PM

^^ he's saying that some ppl have only kept their gc because of it. they might have sold it and their games back by now otherwise. it isnt really that much of a problem unless you think its a ploy to sell more GC games in the mean time (especially since they are pushing it back).

12/7/2005 10:36:18 PM

any possibility that one of the "tweaks" of TP is that if it is played on the Revolution it can take advantage of the beter hardware? Seems like a good game plan, if its possible, for the last few games coming out for the GC since the Revolution will be backwords compatable.

12/7/2005 10:47:46 PM

The reason why the big N doesn't want people to get rid of their cubes is b/c they make money off of every one sold..meaning, unlike the other two companies - they aren't in the red hardware-wise, it is a cheap system to manufacture. They are profiting all the time. The gekko/flipper proc. chips & ATI grfx chip are efficient as hell performance vs. cost.

Lokken the xbox is a slightly more powerful system but not by a dramatic margin at all, and even some things aren't as good - for example, load times/throughput are far superior on the Gamecube. Their graphics capabilities arent really that far off on stuff I've read before. Both top the ps2 in gflops by quite a bit though.

12/7/2005 11:08:27 PM

^id bet my ass thats how it will work

12/7/2005 11:09:03 PM

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"not even 2 weeks ago IGN released a statement from Nintendo, and they repeatedly said any rumors that TP would be a revolution title ARE FALSE.. the game is still VERY MUCH a gamecube title"

Companies always deny stuff until they're ready to announce them officially. I'm not saying Zelda: TP ISN'T coming out for GC, but it may very well be a dual GC/Revolution release, or some other kind of tiered deal. But to have a game as epic as Zelda: TP so close to the Revolution launch and NOT take advantage of that is ridiculous.

12/8/2005 2:33:19 AM

Nintendo Revolution isn't going to support HD?

I'll pass.

I no longer expect my console graphics to look like ass.

12/8/2005 5:06:13 AM

If you think that a game has to be in high definition to not look like ass then there is something wrong with you. Obviously you have never played Resident Evil 4.

12/8/2005 7:27:22 AM

some people are obsessed with graphics candy and/or the lastest thing. Despite the fact most sensible posters know that the GC pumped out SOLID graphics with more importantly, a tight QC on *FRAMERATES*. Which IMO, is the first and ugliest thing I notice in most 3rd party titles on the other systems by far.

in just 480p GC looks silk...unfortunately not alot of titles to see this demonstrated on, or rather a dozen tops.

12/8/2005 8:17:16 AM

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"Nintendo Revolution isn't going to support HD? I'll pass. I no longer expect my console graphics to look like ass."

and here is the dimwit that nintendo is definately not marketting for. go play your sinny 5 hour games where the characters sweat real neat!!1

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"Companies always deny stuff until they're ready to announce them officially. I'm not saying Zelda: TP ISN'T coming out for GC, but it may very well be a dual GC/Revolution release, or some other kind of tiered deal. But to have a game as epic as Zelda: TP so close to the Revolution launch and NOT take advantage of that is ridiculous. "

I seriously doubt that nintendo is going to develop the same game for multiple systems. Unless you were just meaning they would release the game when you can chose to play it on either a revolution or a gc.

12/8/2005 8:53:18 AM

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"Companies always deny stuff until they're ready to announce them officially."

I hear what you are saying and I agree. It's not like they are going to say:

"Why yes, we want Nintendo to lose what little share of the current gaming market we have. We don't even want to sell so much as one more console until the Revolution comes out."

Because that is what they would be doing by saying ZTP is a Revolution title. The hope to play ZTP is just about the only thing Nintendo has going for them in today's market.

12/8/2005 9:18:33 AM

THat sucks that it's not going to be in HD. That should pretty much be standard now. HD is awesome.

12/8/2005 9:41:02 AM

if TP comes out for Revolution, then Nintendo is a LIAR...
all their head honchos have repeatedly denied any rumors saying it was DEFINITELY a gamecube title...
just my 2 cents...i'd be pissed

12/8/2005 10:13:02 AM

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"I seriously doubt that nintendo is going to develop the same game for multiple systems. Unless you were just meaning they would release the game when you can chose to play it on either a revolution or a gc."

ummm..the revolution will be backwords compatable, so there is no "either a revolution or gc." You'll be able to play TP on the Revolution regardless of whether or not it comes out on GC. This is why I don't think they'll push it back any more...it would be dumb to push a game back for a system that will be able to play it anyways. I still think it would be smart to make it where if the game is played on the Revolution, it will be able to take advantage of the better hardware. Then its a win, win situation...you get the title out early for the GC and not piss off fans, and, when the Revolution comes out, you've basically got a Zelda launch title ready to go.

[Edited on December 8, 2005 at 11:29 AM. Reason : wrong]

12/8/2005 11:27:22 AM

^ right, its backwords compatible

which means they will only develop it for the gamecube. you will be able to play it with your revolution though.

Thats what I thought he meant, as opposed to developing a revolution version that may have better graphics or extra features, etc.

I dont think they will develop two 'versions' though like you suggest. One for the gc, and then a prettier one for the revolution.

12/8/2005 11:51:06 AM

^^He knows it's backwards compatable. What he's saying is that nintendo will NOT develop the game to run on GC, then go back and restructure the whole game so that it takes advantage of the rev hardware.

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"THat sucks that it's not going to be in HD. That should pretty much be standard now. HD is awesome."

If HD is standard now, I must be bad off because I don't have a HD set and will not be buying one for a good while. At least not until I can justify spending all that money on a tv instead of something more important.

[Edited on December 8, 2005 at 11:53 AM. Reason : beat me to it]

12/8/2005 11:52:57 AM

I am not talking about restructuring the game after it is released, or developing a sepparate version specifically for the Revolution. I'm talking about using the extra time Nintendo needs to "make it better" or whatever, and develop the game to take advantage of better hardware if it is available, much like a PC game. I will conceed that it may not be possible, its just a thought I decided to throw out with the talk of TP moving to Revolution. Also, going back and rereading that post, I see what you're saying, but I was trying to respond more to the part about developing it for multiple systems.

12/8/2005 12:20:17 PM

What I think SHOULD (and could) happen is that the game has a "dual mode" in which the game will run on the GC and Revolution, but on start up the Revolution will detect that this game has content specific to that system and the system will use its extra power to push higher-resolution textures, a more consistent framerate, and maybe even the option to use the Revolution controller somehow. For instance, specifically programming the fishing minigame to work with the Revolution controller AND the GC controller could be accomplished in a relatively small amount of time. The concept was around when the transition was made from GB (black and white) to GB Color and from GBC to GBA.

12/8/2005 3:10:54 PM

It isn't gonna happen. Twilight Princess is going to be for the GCN. You will be able to play it on the NRV but it will be the exact same.

12/8/2005 3:30:07 PM

Thanks psychic

12/8/2005 5:21:04 PM

nintendo is a business. they know that if zelda for the revolution has just a few extra nice features, they will sell more of them. it will probably be better graphics and additional control options. those two things are so easy to implement that nintendo wouldnt pass up the chance.

12/8/2005 5:42:38 PM

yeah...hell they did it with the n64 and the memory expansion so they should at least take advantage of the memory for better textures ect....I don't think anyone would expect it to run as good as it would if it was made specifically for the revolution, but it would be a great marketing ploy to get people to buy the system since another Zelda game wouldn't be out for a while.

12/8/2005 11:24:56 PM

Nintendo has enough things going for it as to why the Revolution should sell well...backwards compatibility with games, controller that could revolutionize gaming, a possible uber-cheap price (cheap compared to the other two)..

It doesn't need a Legend of Zelda game to sell units.

If anything, they should put the game out early to give everyone else an excuse as to why they should not sell their gamecube so they can get some scratch to buy a 360.

12/8/2005 11:58:52 PM

^ you are way off.

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"Nintendo has enough things going for it as to why the Revolution should sell well"

zelda is a hallmark, new nintendo consoles need this. there is no reason they wouldnt do everything they can to get the revolution sold.

also, nintendo wont care if people sell cubes for cash. the revolution will be backwards compatible, its expected.

12/9/2005 12:59:45 AM

^Am I really that off?

N64 release date - Oct 1, 1996

Legend of Zelda, Ocarina of Time - Nov 24, 1998

GameCube release date - Nov 18, 2001

Legend of Zelda, Wind Waker - Mar 24, 2003




Yeah, you REALLY need a Legend of Zelda title to be out at the time of release. The last two consoles has had to wait over a year for one to pop out. It is not so important that they need to release it in sync with a brand new console.

And I said that Nintendo wouldn't want the GameCube to be sold for the sake of buying a different system. What kind of developer in their right mind would accept having their product sold for a rival's product? Obviously, Nintendo would like to see the GameCube to get sold as scratch to purchase a Revolution instead.

12/9/2005 1:12:54 AM

show me where i said they NEEDED it?


show me?


please?

show me a case where nintendo had the option of doing a dual platform zelda game launch and didnt take it?

look at OoT, it was released on the cube with wind waker to help boost sales.

[Edited on December 9, 2005 at 1:29 AM. Reason : 0]

12/9/2005 1:23:41 AM

Show me a case when they did.

This is the first system that's backwards compatible, so this is kind of unprecedented for nintendo.

If you wanna bring up something as far as the GBA Advance and the DS are concerned, by all means. I don't delve much into hand-held gaming, so if you can come up with the proof, so be it.

^ OOT was released as a marketing scheme. It wasn't even touched up with anything special for the GameCube. Master Quest was around, but never made it stateside, so it's hardly something that I would call "unique" to the GameCube. It was the same game with different puzzles.

[Edited on December 9, 2005 at 1:33 AM. Reason : OOT]

12/9/2005 1:30:58 AM

Everyone knows that LoZ is a big 'event' franchise. It's the franchise that a lot of people waited for before they even bothered to pick up an N64 or Gamecube.

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"It doesn't need a Legend of Zelda game to sell units."

WTF are you smoking? We're all excited about the new controller, but there's NO guarantee that the average consumer will jump all over it. The Big N needs everyone weapon they have, especially since they have to contend with the PS3, which will have plenty of momentum from the dominance of PS2, and may compete with Halo 3, which supposedly will be released around the same time.

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"If anything, they should put the game out early to give everyone else an excuse as to why they should not sell their gamecube so they can get some scratch to buy a 360."

Given that we know the Revolution is backwards compatible, the GC may as well be dead. Zelda is the last decent exclusive the system has and after a six-month delay, the game's impact on the GC market is trivial when someone can wait 3-4 months and pick up a Revolution.

Zelda games typically do not release early within a system's lifespan. This much is known and accepted. However, times have changed. Nintendo has a nearly complete, epic Zelda game that can potentially appeal to the adult demographic that's eluded the company for so long. Their competitors have franchises that rival their own in selling power and the game presents obvious opportunities to take advantage of their new technology. The opportunity is too big to ignore. I'm not saying it WILL happen, but logically there's plenty of reason that it could.

Nintendo may not want the GC sold for a competitor's product, but if you can look at the GC's holiday lineup and honestly say you're happy, then your opinion differs a great deal from mine.

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"OOT was released as a marketing scheme. It wasn't even touched up with anything special for the GameCube. Master Quest was around, but never made it stateside, so it's hardly something that I would call "unique" to the GameCube. It was the same game with different puzzles."

The GC OoT supported progressive scan and ran in high resolution.

What do you mean Master Quest "never made it stateside"? IIRC, it was either the bonus for preordering The Wind Waker or it was a Club Nintendo bonus item. In either case, I've played Master Quest in English as an official Nintendo product.

[Edited on December 9, 2005 at 1:43 AM. Reason : .]

12/9/2005 1:38:39 AM

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"Master Quest was around, but never made it stateside"

It did, it came with wind waker.

Nintendo clearly has no problem with releasing zelda games to help boost sales in other consoles.

Its just basic math.

Releasing the game only on the cube reduces all the potential future profit made from game sales on the revolution from people who would have purchased the revolution for the heightened zelda experience.


[Edited on December 9, 2005 at 1:43 AM. Reason : -]

12/9/2005 1:41:23 AM

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" Master Quest was around, but never made it to stateside "

I meant that it never made it to stateside during the N64's reign. I knew it was included with the bonus disc for preordering the game.

12/9/2005 2:16:24 AM

OFFICIAL: The Revolution will be on sale here in the US *before* Thanksgiving 2006! WOOHOOO sign me up!


http://www.gamespot.com/pages/news/story.php?sid=6142572

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"In an interview featured in today's edition of Japanese newspaper Sankei Shinbun, Nintendo president Satoru Iwata stated, ............... As for North America, we need to release it by Thanksgiving, or otherwise we won't receive support from the retail industry. So the Revolution will be released prior to that period.""

[Edited on January 19, 2006 at 12:15 AM. Reason : .]

1/19/2006 12:15:08 AM

oh come off it

we all know ps3 wil be the better system

1/19/2006 12:39:10 AM

There's no dispute that the PS3 will be more powerful. That doesn't mean the Revolution won't be successful.

1/19/2006 12:47:24 AM

^^ define better

[Edited on January 19, 2006 at 1:00 AM. Reason : ]

1/19/2006 1:00:10 AM

Does it not bother anyone that they are pushing their release date simply because the industry is forcing them and not because that is when they are sure they can produce a polished system with a decent catalogue?

1/19/2006 1:10:09 AM

^ No. Nintendo is always pushin' nice 1st-party games.

1/19/2006 1:12:19 AM

Still wouldn't be surprised if it got "pushed back" to Spring 2007.

If they can't deliver on a game like Zelda, what makes ya think they can deliver with a console?

1/19/2006 1:14:54 AM

I am seriously lookin forward to next-gen nintendo games

1/19/2006 2:21:26 AM

ps3? are you fucking kidding me? another worthless system like xbox360. i sold my xbox360 system in 48 hours because i realized what a waste of money it was. nothing even remotely "revolutionary" about it. can't wait to drop some cash on a NR.

1/19/2006 7:42:27 AM