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"He won't grow here. It's been the same shit year in and year out. do enough to save your job."

he has grown here. our program has grown with him here. our national image has grown with him here. if he does enough to save his job every year, that would imply that he does a little more and a little better than he did previously.

so by do enough, you mean, improve enough to keep your job.

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"Maybe when he got here he was too young of a coach, but he is 42 now. Secondly, I've watched the same 2nd half fall apart the entire time herb has been here. He has plateaued"

and he could still be coaching in 25 years. how were roy and K doing 20 years ago?

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"A good team doesn't have a record fluxuate "

youre right, and with a couple exceptions, sendeks record has stayed consistent or improved.

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"do you know what a bad year at Kentucky is? Being an 8 seed in the tournament. NC State was and should be like that."

do you remember what a good year at state is? NIT bid. no wait, thats what it used to be. now a bad year would be an NIT bid. A good year would be NCAA, a great year would be a deep run.

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"K and roy do it less frequently and they also win the big games. Herb does it way too often. "

I already mentioned K and roy do it less frequently. Herb has won big games, but not at the level of K or roy yet.

3/14/2006 2:33:24 PM

Quote :

"he has grown here. our program has grown with him here. our national image has grown with him here. if he does enough to save his job every year, that would imply that he does a little more and a little better than he did previously."

nope, the expectations from this administration are so low that there is no need for improvement. the mediocrity can continue and nothing will happen.

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"so by do enough, you mean, improve enough to keep your job."

by do enough is making the tournament. I'm sorry but that is not he line I want to be measured by.

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"and he could still be coaching in 25 years. how were roy and K doing 20 years ago?"

And I could become the Pope in 25 years.

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"youre right, and with a couple exceptions, sendeks record has stayed consistent or improved."

consistantly mediocre

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"do you remember what a good year at state is? NIT bid. no wait, thats what it used to be. now a bad year would be an NIT bid. A good year would be NCAA, a great year would be a deep run."

A good year at NC State is elite 8 or better.

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"I already mentioned K and roy do it less frequently. Herb has won big games, but not at the level of K or roy yet."

nor will he ever be.

3/14/2006 2:37:33 PM

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"nope, the expectations from this administration are so low that there is no need for improvement. the mediocrity can continue and nothing will happen."

so you actually think if herb spent another 5 years here and never got past the sweet 16 the administration wouldnt act?

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"by do enough is making the tournament. I'm sorry but that is not he line I want to be measured by."

taking an NIT hopeful team to the tournament consistently was enough. Now its not. the next step is to go deep into the tournament consistently.

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"And I could become the Pope in 25 years."

no, you couldnt. and you didnt answer the question.

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"consistantly mediocre"

or improved

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"A good year at NC State is elite 8 or better."

and last year it was sweet 16 or better. give me a break.

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"nor will he ever be."

just as much evidence to think he will improve as there is to believe he wont improve.

[Edited on March 14, 2006 at 2:44 PM. Reason : this is fun, day is going by fast! ]

3/14/2006 2:42:16 PM

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"so you actually think if herb spent another 5 years here and never got past the sweet 16 the administration wouldnt act?"

I hope to god this doesn't happen, but yes, the administration wouldn't do anything

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"taking an NIT hopeful team to the tournament consistently was enough. Now its not. the next step is to go deep into the tournament consistently."

Do 2 national titles ring a bell?

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"no, you couldnt. and you didnt answer the question."

it does answer your quesiton. Because your statement was as absurd as mine.

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"or improved"

wow, improved from slightly mediocre/slightly shit to mediocre in 10 years.

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"and last year it was sweet 16 or better. give me a break."

2 national titles.

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"just as much evidence to think he will improve as there is to believe he wont improve."

I've got ten years of evidence. you have none.

[Edited on March 14, 2006 at 2:48 PM. Reason : .]

3/14/2006 2:48:01 PM

Quote :

"2 national titles."

I don't see how this is relevant whether you support Herb staying or not. A lot has changed since then. We faced stiff NCAA sanctions and had no choice but to run a clean program at ALL costs (Les years and beginning of Herb years). That was the #1 priority - with no disputes I'm sure.

The thing that hurts us the most is the time period during which the sanctions were handed down. The rise of the 'ESPN era' hurt us in more ways then one can count. While we were suffering the consequences that NCAA sanctions brought a new, never before seen, level of coverage on college sports was going on. UNC and Duke were and still are the prime beneficiaries of this.

I'm not saying we should settle for mediocrity or that we can't once again acheive that level. I'm simply saying it isn't going to happen as quickly as most fans would like. The college sports landscape under which we won those 2 titles (one in which the expectations come tourney time weren't much higher then they are right now) is DRASTICALLY different then it is now..

3/14/2006 2:52:33 PM

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"I don't see how this is relevant whether you support Herb staying or not. A lot has changed since then. We faced stiff NCAA sanctions and had no choice but to run a clean program at ALL costs (Les years and beginning of Herb years). That was the #1 priority - with no disputes I'm sure. The thing that hurts us the most is the time period during which the sanctions were handed down. The rise of the 'ESPN era' hurt us in more ways then one can count. While we were suffering the consequences that NCAA sanctions brought a new, never before seen, level of coverage on college sports was going on. UNC and Duke were and still are the prime beneficiaries of this. I'm not saying we should settle for mediocrity or that we can't once again acheive that level. I'm simply saying it isn't going to happen as quickly as most fans would like. The college sports landscape under which we won those 2 titles (one in which the expectations come tourney time weren't much higher then they are right now) is DRASTICALLY different then it is now.."

As fans of NC State that means we have expectations above and beyond just making the tournament. The media doesn't matter. It is our expectations and the administration and the coaches should realize taht. I'm sorry, but being 5/10 in making the NCAA tournament is nothing to write home about.

3/14/2006 2:54:26 PM

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"Do 2 national titles ring a bell? "

barely, since it was over 20 years ago. but let me know the next time herb can inherit a program that is at a national championship level, maybe the bell will ring again. Do you think there is some inherent greatness we are owed because of what a bunch of old/dead people did over 20 years ago?

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"it does answer your quesiton. Because your statement was as absurd as mine. "

it wasnt absurd. it was legit. Sendek could be coaching 25 years from now. Since he is obviously being stacked up against two of the greatest coaches to coach the game, finding out how they were doing said 25 years ago is not absurd. its called a measuring stick.

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"wow, improved from slightly mediocre/slightly shit to mediocre in 10 years. "

more like, improved from absolute shit back to respectability, national recognition, and national top 25 team in 10 years.

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"2 national titles."

that mean jack shit. you may as well get over it. NC State basketball has had to start completely over.

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"I've got ten years of evidence. you have none."

I have the same 10 years of evidence. were we ranked every year 10 years ago? no, were we in the NCAA tournament every year 10 years ago? no, were we anywhere near a sweet 16 team 10 years ago? no

its annoying to have to keep repeating that, but its also annoying that people for some reason think we were the same as we are now 10 years ago.

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"I'm sorry, but being 5/10 in making the NCAA tournament is nothing to write home about."

youre implying that for herb's first 5 years we had NCAA caliber talent?

[Edited on March 14, 2006 at 2:59 PM. Reason : *]

3/14/2006 2:56:46 PM

Quote :

"barely, since it was over 20 years ago. but let me know the next time herb can inherit a program that is at a national championship level, maybe the bell will ring again. Do you think there is some inherent greatness we are owed because of what a bunch of old/dead people did over 20 years ago?"

That's what we should be working for. not just barely making the tourney. also, where are the ACC championships? Can we get at least one?

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"it wasnt absurd. it was legit. Sendek could be coaching 25 years from now. Since he is obviously being stacked up against two of the greatest coaches to coach the game, finding out how they were doing said 25 years ago is not absurd. its called a measuring stick."

A lot of things can happen 25 years from now. why wait 25 years when we already have a coach on that level who grew up a state fan, hates carolina and would love to come here?

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"more like, improved from absolute shit back to respectability, national recognition, and national top 25 team in 10 years."

Yeah, moved from absolute shit 10 years ago to mediocre 9 years and ago and haven't changed since.

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"that mean jack shit. you may as well get over it. NC State basketball has had to start completely over."

We did start over and its time to start over again.

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"I have the same 10 years of evidence. were we ranked every year 10 years ago? no, were we in the NCAA tournament every year 10 years ago? no, were we anywhere near a sweet 16 team 10 years ago? no"

and since we have been ranked have we done anything? Shit, we aren't even ranked now.

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"its annoying to have to keep repeating that, but its also annoying that people for some reason think we were the same as we are now 10 years ago."

It's annoying having to repeat teh same argument over and over again because people are content with mediocrity. I'm not.

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" youre implying that for herb's first 5 years we had NCAA caliber talent? "

They weren't. Shit, right now we aren't.

[Edited on March 14, 2006 at 3:02 PM. Reason : .]

3/14/2006 3:02:07 PM

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"That's what we should be working for. not just barely making the tourney. also, where are the ACC championships? Can we get at least one?"

I agree. cant win it untill you can get to the big dance consistently though. Acc championships? Go over to Coach K hall, you will find 9 out of the last 10 (something like that?) sitting there. May want to go get in line with UNC and all the others for those too.

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"A lot of things can happen 25 years from now. why wait 25 years when we already have a coach on that level who grew up a state fan, hates carolina and would love to come here?"

I am not arguing against Rick Barnes here. I am arguing against people who think Sendek hasnt done any good for the program, or think that he cant still do good for it now.

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"Yeah, moved from absolute shit 10 years ago to mediocre 9 years and ago and haven't changed since."

so youre arguing that the program is still where it was at 9 years ago. check.

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"We did start over and its time to start over again."

Thanks to Herb we wont ever have to start over again. He turned this joke of a program into something respectable and successful. Im gonna let him keep at it a while longer.

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"and since we have been ranked have we done anything? Shit, we aren't even ranked now. "

Well yeah, we have. but ive mentioned them multiple times already. (think 16, COY, POY, high ACC finishes, etc)

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"They weren't. Shit, right now we aren't."

so not only are you saying we are the same as we were 9 years ago, but herb has consistenly taken non-ncaa talent to the ncaas for years, even getting to the sweet 16?

im pretty sure thats not what you mean, but thats what you said. and yes, i agree, it sounds silly.

3/14/2006 3:09:13 PM

you keep rehashing the same nonsense over and over again. I'm sick of it. Talking to herb supporters is like neurtering myself. It's painful. the numbers are there

the facts are there

10 years and nothing to show for it.

Congrats herb. you did wonders.

3/14/2006 3:10:24 PM

Quote :

"you keep rehashing the same nonsense over and over again. I'm sick of it. Talking to herb supportershaters is like neurtering myself. It's painful. the numbers are there"

im still curious to see how the facts support that we are the same as we were 9 years ago

thats just a gem right there

3/14/2006 3:13:30 PM

it's more like "the numbers are the same as when i started going to school here (ie less than five years ago)"

3/14/2006 3:15:01 PM

^no

when I came to school the team was 8-20

[Edited on March 14, 2006 at 3:16 PM. Reason : .]

3/14/2006 3:15:27 PM

(see i don't agree with them, i was trying to show how stupid the haters look)

3/14/2006 3:20:25 PM

Quote :

"when I came to school the team was 8-20"

you must have gone to carolina, because we've never gone 8-20 under herb. we've never won fewer than 13 games under the man

[Edited on March 14, 2006 at 3:26 PM. Reason : ]

3/14/2006 3:23:39 PM

Throw Sendek under the motherfucking bus.

3/14/2006 4:12:08 PM

Quote :

"This post has just been sent to Campus Police and RPD"

erudite You are the biggest fucking homo ever. The bus is an expression you little tigershark.


You keep on harrassing me with your gay little PM's and you're the one thats gonna need campus police you clown.

[Edited on March 14, 2006 at 4:19 PM. Reason : a]

3/14/2006 4:16:17 PM

Quote :

"you must have gone to carolina, because we've never gone 8-20 under herb. we've never won fewer than 13 games under the man "

it's called hyperbole

3/14/2006 4:18:33 PM

get off his freakin knute-sac.

3/14/2006 4:18:58 PM

Quote :

" logged to both Campus Police and RPD. Making threats isn't smart."

erudite


Oh my god who are you? I'm not threatening you I am outright telling you to stop being such a fucking homo.

3/14/2006 4:21:09 PM

^^^no, it's called you don't know what you're talking about so you just make up random number that sounds really bad and hope your fellow herb haters back you

3/14/2006 4:23:35 PM

haha why aren't you responding erudite???


Is it because you're suspended?


OH NO!!!! GO TELL CAMPUS POLICE AND SEE IF THEY CAN UN-SUSPEND YOU!!!!



And while you're at it, tell them I called you a little bitch.

[Edited on March 14, 2006 at 4:27 PM. Reason : a]

3/14/2006 4:25:38 PM

AND THIS GENTLEMEN, IS WHY I WIN THREADS.

Quoting myself:

Quote :

"BTTT dis for Lokken to answer with more past season statistics and boring insults."

His reply

Quote :

" Sidetrack original question speaking of repeating yourself nothing YOUVE stated explains why the program would be better off if we didnt have herb nothing YOUVE stated explains why herb hasnt improved the program nothing YOUVE stated explains why we shouldnt expect to see continued success and improvement in the NCAAs in essence, all YOU do is bitch and moan that herb never beats carolina somewhere in your clown mind you have the impression that people are arguing that herb is perfect and that nothing he does is wrong. he has nothing to improve on, or that we should be happy always losing to UNC or Duke. We lost 4 straight because we dont have a perfect team like your beloved heels/devils. (edit-coming from an admitted Heels fan) We dont have a perfect coach. They have motivation problems, they have consistency problems. Ive said it before, and ill continue to notice it. but youwill just ignore that i said this and keep it going in your pea sized brain that i think nothing that goes wrong is herbs fault. In a decade of herb ball, he hasnt had the talent or ability to take a team to the sweet 16. At most you could argue he had the talent to reach the level of 16 the past 5 years(including this one). last year he reached it. Youre the only fucker not answering questions here. All you are harping on is a 4 game losing streak we have right now. Your dimwit ass continually ignores what he took the program from and what he took it to. You simplify your arguments to span 10 years as if he took over the program in the shape it is in now. Youre a fucking joke, you have no answers for the improvements that he has done, so you ignore them by bitching about losing to an ACC team. More past season stats if herb makes no improvements to this fucking program how do you explain the jump in record, including this year how do you explain the jump in talent coming here including this year how do you explain the higher level of consistency including this year? do you think all of this shit just magically happened in spite of herb? are you that fucking stupid? when the entire argument is what herb has done for the program, how can your dumbass make fun of using past season statistics? Isnt one of your main bitching points the past 10 years? "

I literally get the image of this kid banging away at the keyboard with a semi-boner and buldging eyes excited by the prospect of his ever elusive "pwn" and once again missing a point so obvious that even smalltown hick papers have picked up on the scent.

3/14/2006 5:42:36 PM

hahaha

why was i not worried you would present any answers to my questions, or even any answers to my responses to your question.

thats why you win threads?

you highlight people calling you names when you call them names to start with

then dont present any arguments

gg

exit is to the left

p.s. i typed that while sitting at work getting paid for it...whats your excuse

[Edited on March 15, 2006 at 8:23 AM. Reason : i was getting tired of the arguing anyway, glad to see you tucked tail]

3/15/2006 8:21:41 AM

^^

SandSanta:

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"If they fire sendek now Then we wont be good at basketball until well past I graduate. So no. And fuck you."

SandSanta:

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3/15/2006 8:25:50 AM

So we have learned, if you want to argue with SandSanta

Dont call him names, even if its in the middle of a legit argument, it makes him cry
Dont ever be a fan of any other team ever before being an NC State fan
Dont use past performance in your arguments because thats what he bases his position on
Try to be clever by indirectly insulting your oposition by describing how you picture them responding to you.
Quote your opponents response, call them a UNC fan, bold parts that make you cry, then declare vicotry.

If only I had known it was so easy!

3/15/2006 8:38:19 AM

i think the most hilarious part of it all is that he says that our opinions are shit because we grew up as fans of another school before we came to state. he, of all people, should know that your allegiences can change. he used to be an avid herb supporter too.

3/15/2006 9:56:01 AM

im 27, grew up in raleigh, and have had season tickets since i was 8.

i support herb

3/15/2006 10:14:44 AM

Uhhhhhh

Supporting a coach

And rooting for your arch rival(s)

Who happen to define the very word faggotry

Are completely different things.

Not that I expect either of you two queerbaits to get this.

Furthermore, even if you were to support UNC your entire life, switching to support NC State to fit in your environment (lol Lokken) is even less respectable.

3/15/2006 10:23:22 AM

the hell it is. he's a nc state student and he supports his school. not everyone grew up a wolfpack fan. but i can tell you this, i sure as hell am one now and will be after i graduate. this is my school, that's the only true allegience you can have in sports.

3/15/2006 10:33:10 AM

What
-ever

3/15/2006 10:38:15 AM

so switching to support the school you attend for 4 years isnt respectable

i dont even have to argue against you to make you look like a complete clown, you do it yourself.

3/15/2006 10:41:06 AM

Allegiances stay throughout life.

Of course, if I had to take Business, I wouldn't actually go to UNC. I'd probably go to another school but I can't explain that to you either.

Cause you'd be like "but durrrr I chose school based an akademiks and teh sports is not important"

which like is funny

considering how much you froth at the mouth in your retarded responses.

BUT HEY, speaking of faggotry Lokken




You have one dontcha

ooo yeeeea you have one.

3/15/2006 10:44:31 AM

so now

you cant root for the team whose school you attend unless you grew up rooting for them

nor can you claim that you went to your school based on what you wanted to study

youre batting a thousand today, clown.

you wreak of someone who got their ass handed to them that is trying to save face.


[Edited on March 15, 2006 at 10:48 AM. Reason : if they are so retarded, you must be especially retarted if you cant even address them]

3/15/2006 10:47:06 AM

You know I always argue with you without reading your posts

because I know exactly what you're going to say.

3/15/2006 10:58:57 AM

troll

3/15/2006 10:59:38 AM

Tool.

3/15/2006 11:01:01 AM

i can't believe that SandSanta thinks everyone should choose what school to attend based on what team you pull for as a kid. So I shouldn't come to state because I USED TO BE A DUKE FAN, even though it's a great engineering school and I don't give a fuck about duke now? This is MY SCHOOL, i pull for MY TEAM. Anyone that goes to state and pulls agaisnt us should have their ass kicked. My money is going to this school. My allegience is 100% WITH THIS SCHOOL. It's not like I just randomly decided to start pulling for a different NFL team or something.

you are seriously below idiot status at this point

3/15/2006 11:07:17 AM

All the closet Tarheels will be clammoring to get this fast so they can earn "uncommon rewards"

3/15/2006 11:13:31 AM

I feel like I let down the Wolfpack Nation and its Loyalists by not executing this effigy burning.


I'm sorry guys, I guess I'm no better than the Herb protectorate

[Edited on March 21, 2006 at 12:37 AM. Reason : a]

3/21/2006 12:37:27 AM

Quote :

"Anyone that goes to state and pulls agaisnt us should have their ass kicked"

3/21/2006 12:39:18 AM

For the record, I didnt pull against us.

Not that it matters, we never stood a chance in that game.

3/21/2006 12:44:07 AM

not saying you did...just liked the quote

3/21/2006 12:48:40 AM

wait a min, just b/c you attend a school you're supposed to root for them. FUUuuuck UUUUuuuu

3/21/2006 12:51:10 AM

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"do you know what a bad year at Kentucky is? Being an 8 seed in the tournament. NC State was and should be like that."

I KNOW NOONE JUST COMPARED NC STATE'S PROGRAM TO KENTUCKYS

a better comparison would be with Stanford or Ohio State or Michigan

3/21/2006 12:51:48 AM

Turns out the admin never manned up and fired him. Took some sundevils with low expectations and a lot of cash to bail us out.

4/1/2006 9:49:30 PM

hey, it took them a long time to can a volleyball coach with a three year acc losing streak. what would make you think they;d can herb?

4/1/2006 10:06:25 PM

^4 years

and now Fowler has gone and gotten a high level replacement

but I think that has more to do with his daughter being on the team than anything else.

4/1/2006 10:13:45 PM

I would like to thank all the Wolfpack Loyalists (official and non-official members) who helped to make this happen.

You have shown your loyalty to the program by being tough in the face of adversity.


Now remember, there will be haters along the way that we must fight off.

People will look for the opportunity to flame our new coach no matter how promising he may be.

When we score transition buckets, take under 30 threes in a game, or even look like a real program please do not throw this in their face.

This is a time to re-unite and rebuild the Wolfpack Nation. The Nation does not need more division as we attempt to move on from our 15 year doldrum.

4/2/2006 8:15:15 PM

see rally that's where you're wrong about the herb supporters. i'm not going to immediately jump on the "FIRE _________" bandwagon when we get a new coach. i'm just going to be pissed if we are worse because of this.

and it won't be the new coach's fault this happened, it will be yours, and everyone that shares your sentiments. i will support whoever we hire, and i think most of the other herb supporters will as well.

all i want is for our program to continue to get better. if the new coach makes that happen, i'll be happy.

4/2/2006 8:17:55 PM