what the hell does that mean?



Cal sucks dude. They have one sick player.



Coincidentally their sick player matches up against our best defensive player.


Wow, how on earth did we beat them?

Maybe because they only scored 52 points?

3/18/2006 2:55:45 PM

or becuase our defense was solid

3/18/2006 3:04:44 PM

Hire Ferb

He's got what it takes

3/18/2006 3:06:54 PM

dude.

If we played Wake Forest yesteday we would not have been favored.


We were favored against Cal.


In other words, Cal might be the worst team in the ACC.

3/18/2006 3:09:32 PM

yall need to stop bringing up Wake Forest...it doesnt matter what they were ranked or the fact that they were last place in the ACC....we just do not match up well at all with Wake and we havent for a while going back to when Josh Howard played

3/18/2006 3:15:40 PM

You're right.

We dont match up well with Wake, UNC, Duke, Seton Hall, Georgia Tech, etc


Maybe thats why we want Herb fired?


Because when it comes down to it, id rather have a team that is vulnerable to lose to George Mason but actually has the potential to beat UNC.


You realize a lot of this "consistency" that NC State has under Herb comes at the expense of "beating good teams".

Herb is scared to succeed. He's like buying a savings bond. No fucking nutsac.

He preys on teams to have a bad game like Uconn last year.

Our wins/losses depend more on how the other team performs than on how we play.

A real man does not say "we're gonna play completely average basketball and see if you guys are good enough to beat us"

They go out there and give it their best.

Basketball is not wrestling. You dont just sit back and wait for the other guy to make mistakes. You have to be aggressive.

If Herb was a poker player he'd be weak tight. He'd do well agianst the bad players but get steamrolled by the Phil Ivey's of the world.

[Edited on March 18, 2006 at 3:24 PM. Reason : a]

3/18/2006 3:19:05 PM

bottom line is

we're in the tournament

we won our first game

we're one of the best 32 teams in the country

who gives a fuck about wake

stop your whining

--

could someone please define 'scared to succeed'

how the fuck is any coach, player, or competitor of any kind 'scared to succeed'

that has to be the lamest thing i've ever heard

[Edited on March 18, 2006 at 3:23 PM. Reason : ]

3/18/2006 3:22:28 PM

Ill define it for you.

He is scared to go for the gusto.


He couldnt even ask his fucking wife out on a date.


He took a goddam notecard with questions on it to their first date.

He has the confidence of a 8th grade girl.

3/18/2006 3:26:02 PM

no one is scared to SUCCEED

they might be scared to FAIL

but how could anyone possibly be scared to succeed

3/18/2006 3:27:22 PM

^^ahahaha

[Edited on March 18, 2006 at 3:27 PM. Reason : dfg]

3/18/2006 3:27:41 PM

Quote :

"We're currently in the second round of the tourney. Why are people still talking about games that happened over a week ago and don't mean anything at this point?"

Let's leave the after-season criticism until the season is over, Christ almighty

3/18/2006 3:29:02 PM

Herb is like the guy at the gym who never guards his man because he's scared he'll get crossed up.

So instead of locking up a man and potentially getting beat, he just lets the other guy take open 17 footers.

If the guy can hit the 17 footer, herb loses.

If the guy cant hit the 17 footer, herb wins.

Its passive bullshit.

You are never going to be the best player in the gym by letting the other guy take the open 17 footer. He might miss sometimes, but he's not gonna miss 6 in a row.

And if you dont have the potential to win six straight, you arent a real program.

3/18/2006 3:31:48 PM

And if you dont have the potential to win six straight, you arent a real program.

3/18/2006 3:34:02 PM

we have pontential to win six straight

hell, we did win six straight

3/18/2006 3:35:24 PM

oh yeah we did win 6 straight this year


App State, Asheville, Miami, Alabama, New Hampshire, George Washington.


Now if we could just convince the committee to let 4 of those teams in the tournament and hope that Alabama makes the elite 8 and GW makes the championship game!!!!!!!

3/18/2006 3:37:57 PM

Quote :

" He took a goddam notecard with questions on it to their first date. He has the confidence of a 8th grade girl."

Quote :

" Herb is like the guy at the gym who never guards his man because he's scared he'll get crossed up. So instead of locking up a man and potentially getting beat, he just lets the other guy take open 17 footers. If the guy can hit the 17 footer, herb loses. If the guy cant hit the 17 footer, herb wins. Its passive bullshit. "

ahahahahahaha

rally wins

3/18/2006 3:43:54 PM

i gotta say, i disagree with rally alot, but if those arent valid points i dont know what are.

3/18/2006 4:34:47 PM

unsubstantiated remarks about herb's first date is a valid point about why he should be fired?

3/18/2006 4:45:02 PM

Oh great. Now its "unsubstantiated".


What do you want me to do? Get his fucking wife a TWW account and ask her to verify it?


And after the story gets verified you're going to say "well that doesnt really matter", right?

I've played this game before.

3/18/2006 4:49:14 PM

rally is wrong

herb is right

viva herb

3/18/2006 4:52:11 PM

so bashing herb is now in the form of speculating about his personality. do you really think you know him that well?

3/18/2006 4:59:43 PM

If Texas plays bad we can win.

If Texas plays well we cant win.



How am i wrong about that?


And its not just Texas, this is how it works whenever we play anyone in the top 25.

We arent Princeton, there is no need to let other teams dictate whether we will win or lose.

There is NO shame in giving it your best shot and losing.

There is a plenty of shame in letting the guy beat you on an open 17 footer.

And even if he misses the open 17 footer, you are still a pussy.

3/18/2006 5:00:21 PM

you're confusing me with your overlapping analogies

but you're still wrong

3/18/2006 5:01:54 PM

so let me get this straight.


Telling a story about Herb's life that accurately reflects his coaching style and his team's demeanor the last decade is speculating?


Where is the speculation? I must be missing it

3/18/2006 5:02:21 PM

I cannot believe that this page features basketball being compared to poker.

ESPN has fucked over the sports world.

3/18/2006 5:07:31 PM

This thread does not compare basketball to poker.


It compares personality traits to poker, which is valid.


Herb is a passive person. In poker we call that weak-tight.


You know, like the 70 year old grandmother who is scared to raise with Ace-King preflop and likes to check and call with top pair.

She might turn a profit against weak players (drunks, LAG's, and idiots) but shes leaving value on the table nearly every hand she plays.

And when she goes up against a tight-aggressive player she is going to get ass raped.

3/18/2006 5:12:43 PM

Ever consider you are both right to a point? I would have to agree with rally, just look at the percentages of times we call a timeout with a chance to win/tie at the final possession and BLOW IT (thanks god for Cam being clutch @ clemson/ vs cal). BUT, the only problem is that we dont have a better coach lined up if herb leaves; not to mention endangering chris wright and any other players that may follow him here thanks to the bald guy's recruiting. (And I wouldnt be able to wear my 'I love herb' shirt to games anymore) Bottomline: Until another bigname coach who can recruit is available and considering the job here, Herb stays and we continue to wince through games.

3/18/2006 5:48:41 PM

We didn't call a timeout vs. Clemson



And if you keep a coach around for a recruiting class, you're an idiot. Unless Lebron James is coming in, that is no reason to even consider keeping a coach.

[Edited on March 18, 2006 at 5:52 PM. Reason : ]

3/18/2006 5:51:26 PM

methinks that the only cure for this bitching is a trip to the Final Four.

Even if we go Elite Eight, people will still complain about losing to Duke in that game.

There's no end to this...

3/18/2006 5:59:31 PM

We seem to keep Amato around for recruiting reasons too (despite this years tragedy). Maybe thats our whole problem? Too much focus on competing for recruits in the ACC and not enough on getting coaches who can control their players.

3/18/2006 6:05:24 PM

this year was not a 'tragedy'

3/18/2006 6:05:58 PM

How have we kept Amato around based on a recruiting class?

3/18/2006 6:06:34 PM

Quote :

"There's no end to this..."

exactly. the only thing that will shut them up is a NC.

which is why they are fucking insane.

3/18/2006 6:07:36 PM

^^^^ Herb has none of the problems controlling his players that Amato does.

[Edited on March 18, 2006 at 6:08 PM. Reason : d]

3/18/2006 6:07:51 PM

Well when you have 85 players compared to about 9.... it tends to be that way

3/18/2006 6:08:45 PM

more like 60 and 14

but still

3/18/2006 6:09:17 PM

well...

then how are most other fb coaches out there able to have better control than amato?

3/18/2006 6:10:11 PM

Like who?


Amato is far from the worst in the ACC.

3/18/2006 6:15:10 PM

WE'RE ABOUT TO BE ONE OF THE TOP 16 TEAMS IN NATION TWO YEARS IN A ROW


FIRE THAT COACH

3/18/2006 6:22:46 PM

for serious

3/18/2006 6:23:21 PM

Agreed. He is far from the worst, but the fact that all these "supposedly great" players we had didnt achieve much after phil left and that our D jumped ship like rats from a fire this offseason speaks wonders for the presence of internal staff/players malcontent. Anyways: back to Herb

[Edited on March 18, 2006 at 6:26 PM. Reason : Herb vs chuck]

3/18/2006 6:25:23 PM

that post makes zero sense

3/18/2006 6:26:26 PM

I really think that stupidity is directly proportional to athletic talent.


FSU, VT, and Miami always have players doing stupid shit. UNC has some crooked players,as does Maryland, and I think we're right behind them...but nowhere close to those 3. However, thier talent dwarfs ours.

Duke and WF... man, they're angels, but they suck (Even though they both usually beat us).

[Edited on March 18, 2006 at 6:29 PM. Reason : ]

3/18/2006 6:29:31 PM

is someone trying to say amato is doing a better job than herb?

3/18/2006 6:35:59 PM

Agreed. Look at vince young and his combine score vs. his sick running (and ninjaah) skills... there can be a (stereotypical) relation seen between the two attributes. Does this mean that our current bball players who are smarter than the likes of melvin, collins, sherrill, and watkins are less athletic though?

3/18/2006 8:07:38 PM

Well... I think with 85 scholarship players in football, compared to 11, I think, for basketball... you're bound to hear about more football players being idiots.

Herb does run a clean program, I'll give him that.


However, then you have the Chris Washburns and such who are incredibly gifted but incredibly stupid.

And as far as Melvin, Collins, and Watkins.... I wouldn't say they were that athletic. (Obviously I mean comparative to players like McCants, Redick, etc.)

Scooter, yes.

[Edited on March 18, 2006 at 8:12 PM. Reason : ]

3/18/2006 8:11:20 PM

Quote :

"bennerman: If anybody thinks that NC State is not successful, and they think that NC State is not becoming a better program over the last couple of years, I'm sorry but I would have to call them an idiot"

hahaha

3/18/2006 9:27:32 PM

^ You mean Evtimov


http://scoreboards.aol.com/basketball/ncaab/team/ncst/34150/team_news.aspx

Quote :

"If anybody thinks that North Carolina State is not successful and thinks North Carolina State is not becoming a better program over the last few years, I'm sorry, but I would have to call them an idiot," said Evtimov, the fourth-year starter from Bulgaria."

[Edited on March 18, 2006 at 9:30 PM. Reason : ]

3/18/2006 9:29:40 PM

It was unattributed on pack pride

Quote :

"That's ironic,I would call about 80% of the passes Evtimov tries idiotic."

3/18/2006 9:32:37 PM

good god

rally raped these last two pages

but anyways

KILL THE MOTHERFUCKING LONGHORNS

3/18/2006 10:00:40 PM