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"Force hasn't really worked over there either, chief."

Force has protected the Israeli way of life for the last 60 years. In the few times that Israel has not responded forcibly to terrorist attacks, it has just emboldened the terrorists to launch more daring and deadly assaults.


NCstAteFer

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"^you mean like the hundreds of Israeli homes that were demolished in the Gaza pullouts? Or the israeli civilians who were jailed for protesting? Tough decisions must be made when a country is at war. Israel has a right to defend itself against it's hostile enemies, and if you think they are heavy-handed, that's probably because you don't live there. "

7/17/2006 8:28:56 PM

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"Hezbollah went in there to abduct the soldiers in a desperate attempt to exchange them with Lebanese prisoners in Israeli jails"

Yeah, that shows the mistake Sharon made in exchanging prisoners the last time around. It only encouraged Hezbollah to kidnap more soldiers.

7/17/2006 8:30:39 PM

Wrong, my friend. It shows that Israel is still wanting war and not peace by having Lebanese/Palestinian prisoners.

7/17/2006 8:32:04 PM

What makes you assume that these prisoners are not guilty of attacking or plotting to attack Israel?

7/17/2006 8:32:59 PM

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"Force has protected the Israeli way of life for the last 60 years."

It certainly hasn't provided a lasting solution. They just have to keep on doing the same shit over and over again.

7/17/2006 8:33:25 PM

Well, there's no alternative because you cannot negotiate with terrorists. Yasser Arafat showed Israel that.

7/17/2006 8:39:11 PM

Doesn't matter what the British did under their rule. Fact is that Israel isn't going anywhere, and certainly not from beheading Americans or any other people or blowing up civilian places. You yourself acknowledged that Israel gets stronger everytime the Arabs carry out another act of cowardly terrorism.

Fuck, the British divided India into 3 fucking countries. Established the 2 nation theory that still left so many Muslims in India. You don't see Indians reclaiming their land from terrorist Pakistanis.

Deal with it...blowing civilian trains and buildings under the veil of Islamic Jehad isn't working...carry it out longer and you'll be another Afghanistan in less than a year

7/17/2006 8:41:00 PM

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"Well, there's no alternative because you cannot negotiate with terrorists. Yasser Arafat showed Israel that."

The could refrain from bombing power plants and civilians, though, if they wanted to. The Brits did a lot better in Northern Ireland.

7/17/2006 8:49:35 PM

yeah

The Islamic turrists in India do all that, too

cowards.

7/17/2006 8:50:13 PM

thank god for NCstAteFer. a non biased american. its like backup has finnally arrived. i can finnally go rest my fingers.


^i hate when people call the big attacks "cowardly acts" giving your life for something is anything but cowardly. evil acts fine. but not cowardly.

7/17/2006 8:56:28 PM

NCstateFer is an Arab American...his parents couldn't find worthwhile jobs in non-terrorist fields, so they became citizens of the land of liberty.

7/17/2006 8:57:50 PM

terrorism is cowardly because you target civilians without warning.

In the case of a military war, you announce your attacks.

You are a joke...an interesting joke.

7/17/2006 9:00:19 PM

^Listen you ignorant....

You have 93000 posts. 90% of your threads are related to how white women won't go out with you. All you do is stalk the girls on here....

THEN, you come in here and talk about international politics...

Just shut the fuck up and go back to what you do best...stalk!

7/17/2006 9:03:53 PM

good one, militant

7/17/2006 9:04:20 PM

Thank you, sir.

7/17/2006 9:05:05 PM

Don't blow up anything

7/17/2006 9:05:23 PM

as long as you're not there, we're cool.

7/17/2006 9:06:31 PM

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"In the case of a military war, you announce your attacks."

ROLLING ON THE FLOOR

what military announces all their attacks ahead of time? theres no strategy in that.

pettite is all "hey papi, here comes the fastball right down the middle"

announcements are rare from any military but beleive it or not even "terrorists" give warnings. the other day they were all "look out your window at that ship burning in 10 minutes"

7/17/2006 9:13:30 PM

I am convinced you're clowning all the turrists now.

7/17/2006 9:14:28 PM

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"what military announces all their attacks ahead of time? "

Israel has been dropping leaflets and blaring warnings all over Beirut for civilians to GTFO.

Terrorist attacks are aimed at inflicting fear into civilian populations. Thats why suicide bombers target shopping malls and nightclubs. They do it to maximize civilian casualties, which is cowardly and immoral.

7/17/2006 9:18:28 PM

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"Wrong, my friend. It shows that Israel is still wanting war and not peace by having Lebanese/Palestinian prisoners."

completely fallatious

7/17/2006 9:21:14 PM

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"Israel has been dropping leaflets and blaring warnings all over Beirut for civilians to GTFO."

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"Terrorist attacks are aimed at inflicting fear into civilian populations."

Uh...

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"They do it to maximize civilian casualties, which is cowardly and immoral."

Yet Israel still manages to kill as many or more noncombatants. Funny, that...

7/17/2006 9:23:29 PM

^^^ prawn read this. its exactly what you just explained but its AMERICA

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"The committee rejected the use of the weapon against a strictly military objective because of the chance of missing a small target not surrounded by a larger urban area. The psychological effects on Japan were of great importance to the committee members. They also agreed that the initial use of the weapon should be sufficiently spectacular for it to be internationally recognized."

and they have warned millions of times that israel needs to leave their land and it is war until they do. i was speaking of more specific warnings like "that ship out there in 10 minutes". both sides have always given general warnings. palestine never came out and said everything was handy dandy.

[Edited on July 17, 2006 at 9:24 PM. Reason : yeah]

7/17/2006 9:23:38 PM

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"Israel has been dropping leaflets and blaring warnings all over Beirut for civilians to GTFO. "

oh yeah and we bombed your bridges and airport. good luck with that. have a nice day! your friends ~ Israel.

7/17/2006 9:24:37 PM

http://www.mideastweb.org/zionism.htm
http://www.zionism-israel.com/zionism_history.htm (pictures)

interesting reads, easily has a thousand times more useful info than this thread.

[Edited on July 17, 2006 at 9:45 PM. Reason : while I'm at it.]

7/17/2006 9:40:34 PM

168 Lebanese civilians DEAD and 450 injured...........GO ISRAEL!!!

7/17/2006 9:50:13 PM

let's count the number of people killed by Islamic terrorists in the US, Europe, Asia.

Just 250 killed in India last week.
thousands killed on 9/11

yeah

you're right.

7/17/2006 9:51:36 PM

Yeah Lebanon is responsible for Islamic terrorists.

7/17/2006 9:55:32 PM

same thing.

These Governments sponsor cross border terrorism

and the common thread is Islam.

7/17/2006 9:56:19 PM

Lebanon does not sponsor cross border terrorism. At the most you could say they are complacent and are ignoring their side of the Taif agreement. They do not sponsor or condone any cross border terrorism.

I guess India should start bombing Pakistani suburbs too.

7/17/2006 10:02:06 PM

India ain't a terrorist nation.

7/17/2006 10:02:50 PM

The thing I find most amusing (or sad) is that pacifists tend to think that the terrorists will play by the same rules in life as they have set for themselves.

After all deep down we are all good people, aren't we ?

Fact is, we are not and true poltical peace on earth comes only through force.

7/17/2006 10:04:39 PM

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"Fact is, we are not and true poltical peace on earth comes only through force."

So you're saying this is the war to end all wars?

Funny, I think I've heard that before...

7/17/2006 10:07:29 PM

ignoring terrorist activities within your borders is the same thing as condoning it

7/17/2006 10:08:16 PM

And all this time I thought moving into southern Lebanon and imprisoning all of the suspected PLO members would end terrorism in that region.

7/17/2006 10:09:04 PM

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"^i hate when people call the big attacks "cowardly acts" giving your life for something is anything but cowardly. evil acts fine. but not cowardly. "

lets see

wanting to go to heaven + killing yourself as not to not face the consequences of your actions+ attacking people that can not defend themselves

= cowardly

7/17/2006 10:30:49 PM

they never kill themselves to not face the consequences. they kill themselves because thats the best way to carry out the attack. what were 9/11 hijackers sopposed to parachute out of the plane at the last second?

7/17/2006 10:48:57 PM

They kill themselves because they think they're getting 72 virgins.

That's dumber than a Mormon.

7/17/2006 10:51:47 PM

^still the entire attack was lunacy so it's not like it's some honorable self sacrifice, I can understand giving your life to protect your family or your country or something but this was just people blinded by hatred looking for a shortcut to paradise

[Edited on July 17, 2006 at 11:10 PM. Reason : k]

7/17/2006 11:09:45 PM

counter attack. alquida lost tens and killed thousands so i'd say it was pretty damn efficient. evil yes. but war is evil and we provoked those attacks.

[Edited on July 17, 2006 at 11:14 PM. Reason : and shutdown america for a week and put a dent in the airline industry and economy in general]

7/17/2006 11:13:02 PM

^^completely ignorant. for some reason, people feel better about themselves if they think that al quaeda doesn't have rational motives.

I didn't realize that kicking america out of the middle east, defeating israel, overthrowing apostate Arab governments, and uniting the ME under (popular) sharia law was lunacy. Overambitious, yes. Crazy? no.

The 72 virgins thing is something that dumb people use to mock muslims, while at the same time using it as an excuse to remain wholly ignorant about what middle easterners actually believe and want.

[Edited on July 17, 2006 at 11:23 PM. Reason : 456465]

7/17/2006 11:14:31 PM

The only thing we can be sure of here is the general populace in the Middle East loses. The typical Israeli on the street, and most especially the typical Arab on the street. It's too bad none of the leaders over there really give a shit about the typical Arab.

7/18/2006 12:16:43 AM

^its true...

you would expect israel not to care...but you would hope that some arab leaders would care what happened a little bit more than they do

7/18/2006 12:39:34 AM

TURN OFF THAT MIC BLAIR!

7/18/2006 12:44:15 AM

^^^The typical arab, in fact, does want to kick america out of the middle east, to defeat israel, to overthrow apostate Arab governments, and to unite the ME under (popular) sharia law. That's why they at least don't oppose terrorists, and at worst actively support them.

In the same way, your average Israeli-jew wants to maintain their minority-controlled jewish oasis in the holy land.

The difference between the arab and jewish soldiers and the average citizens is method of conflict resolution, not fundamental beliefs and goals.

[Edited on July 18, 2006 at 12:49 AM. Reason : sdfsdf]

7/18/2006 12:49:10 AM

I doubt they'd be able to unite -- Sunnis and Shiites seem to hate each other too much.

I'd bet the typical Arab is a lot like the typical American -- fairly lukewarm in their religion. They probably just want to be left alone -- and are either manipulated into joining some wack cause by a charismatic leader (emboldened by our actions) or don't care enough to drive those people from their regions. It kinda sucks -- even governments like ours have a hard time rooting out these terrorists. Can you imagine a bunch of civilians trying it? A lot of those people are probably living in complete fear, not only of us but of the terrorists that bed down in their towns.

7/18/2006 12:55:00 AM

^^You are mischaracterizing the opinions of typical arabs, who have much more moderate viewpoints and oppose terrorism. The majority of Arab nations publicly condemned hezbollah's actions and cited them as the instigators in this conflict.

7/18/2006 1:53:35 AM

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"The 72 virgins thing is something that dumb people who don't give a shit about their cause use to mock extremist muslims"

It's already been made abundantly clear that they can't take being mocked.

They're like the nerds of the world who got their heads stuffed in toilets all through middle school and now they're trying to get their revenge on the jocks.

7/18/2006 7:28:39 AM

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"I doubt they'd be able to unite -- Sunnis and Shiites seem to hate each other too much. "

it's not like there was a society that accepted all sorts of religions in the middle east for hundreds of years before the West stuck their noses in or anything. . .

[Edited on July 18, 2006 at 8:23 AM. Reason : .]

7/18/2006 8:22:34 AM

Yeah the whole "everything that happens now is the West's fault" argument is tired and old. The west put them in this situation, and they continue to choose to stay in it. At some point they'll turn around.

7/18/2006 9:34:57 AM