Fry The Stubby 7784 Posts user info edit post |
^ 10/25/2006 10:03:56 AM |
Shivan Bird Football time 11094 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "If people are still walking around campus, thinking homosexuality is "wrong," we need a fucking center and then some." |
I don't care what people's sexual preferences are, but I'll be damned before I pay to have people tell me that I'm not capable of judging right and wrong.10/25/2006 11:17:55 AM |
sarijoul All American 14208 Posts user info edit post |
so the justice system in general must really bug you, right? 10/25/2006 12:50:55 PM |
Aficionado Suspended 22518 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "if we get an lbgt center, i want talley renamed the "straight, non-black student center"" |
10/25/2006 1:05:18 PM |
bbehe Burn it all down. 18402 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "Director $50,000 Assistant $25,000 Grad-Student $10,000 Furnishings $15,000 (carpet, furniture, computers, etc.) ($100,000 cumulative) Initial Marketing $50,000 (pamplets, literature, maybe a conference, etc.) Misc. Program Costs $50,000 ($200,000 cumulative)" |
Ok..I'm going to consider the LGBT a club. As such, it should be run by volunteers. So I'm going to eliminate the first three things, which saves 85,000.
Furnishing...15,000? Are you insane? NC State surplus would be able to provide alot, and since its an NC state club, I'm sure you guys could get access to the surplus building before the public does.
initial Marketing...50,000. Wouldn't be hard to create an initial buzz for this. PLus you have tww, facebook, and my space. Conference..perhaps you could get one the people at student health to speak. Pamplets and literature..lets go with 5000.
Misc Program Costs...this is what fund raisers are for.
I don't see this costing more than 10,000.10/25/2006 1:14:22 PM |
Perlith All American 7620 Posts user info edit post |
^ As I've said, instead of complaining, why not take some action? Did you even BOTHER to TRY to look up the information?
http://www.ncsu.edu/lgbt/docs/lgbt_proposal.pdf (props to BGLA for the link)
p. 11, Director's Salary + Benefits ($67k-$80k for somebody with a Master's or Doctorate) p. 12, Assistant's Salary + Benefits ($37k) p. 12, Operating Budget ($20k-$25k) p. 12, Startup Costs ($18k) - $10k furniture, $5k technology, $3k resources
1) Volunteers unfortunately won't do nearly as good as a job (consistently) as professionals/paid people typically will, or without some sort of paid support. I'm not arguing for or against having one or the other ... just stating the facts. 2) In general, if you want to impress, and you want the right candidate for a job (director position), you won't go to the surplus, or give them a used computer, or do any number of other things to appear thrifty. 3) Another source of possible confusion (and somebody correct me if I'm wrong here), there are two organizations present. One is a student organization (http://www.ncsu.edu/stud_orgs/lgsu/ - BGLA), the other is a center involved in the student fee's proposal / university diversity / etc. 10/25/2006 1:46:00 PM |
JT3bucky All American 23258 Posts user info edit post |
hey guys i think Student Govt is about to hold a town hall on this so everyone can go and express their views.
i will get you a date and time as soon as i know. 10/25/2006 1:58:19 PM |
BridgetSPK #1 Sir Purr Fan 31378 Posts user info edit post |
I was trying to troll Smath, but I ain't even get a response from him.
^Please don't. TWW ugliness isn't needed there.
^^The primary author of the GLBT center proposal is...
Dr. Bill Swallow!
tee hee
[Edited on October 25, 2006 at 2:01 PM. Reason : sss] 10/25/2006 2:00:29 PM |
eleusis All American 24527 Posts user info edit post |
NC State has desperately been in need of a place where you can go and pick up a third for romantic special occasions. 10/25/2006 2:12:15 PM |
hi_biscus Suspended 1732 Posts user info edit post |
^ 10/25/2006 2:17:29 PM |
eleusis All American 24527 Posts user info edit post |
nothing says loving like someone cheering you on from the side of the mattress.
well, except for maybe two people cheering you on from underneath you. 10/25/2006 2:19:54 PM |
suamme1 All American 6834 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "Ok..I'm going to consider the LGBT a club. As such, it should be run by volunteers." |
Actually, LGBT refers to people, not an organization. It stands for Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender. In context of LGBT Center, it simply means a center in support of the community of the people who identify as one of the above. A community of people is not a club.
BGLA (Now called 'Unity in Progress') is a club. The BGLA stood for Bisexuals, Gays, Lesbians, and Allies. BGLA is a student organization which is described on the Project SAFE page as follows:
Quote : | "The mandates of the group are three-fold:
* Provide a supportive environment for gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgendered members of the NC State University community. * Provide education to group members as well as outreach to the campus at large on issues regarding sexual orientation and the lesbian, gay, bisexual, and trangender community. * Provide a vehicle for activism and positive social change on campus regarding issues of sexual orientation and the lesbian, gay, transgender and bisexual community. " |
The two are not related, but have a lot in common.10/25/2006 3:26:17 PM |
Shivan Bird Football time 11094 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "The primary author of the GLBT center proposal is...
Dr. Bill Swallow!
tee hee" |
Dr. Swallow? He was on of my favorite professors. Seems odd that he's in on this.10/25/2006 7:12:13 PM |
VitorBelfort All American 6538 Posts user info edit post |
so that means his name is WILL...SWALLOW 10/25/2006 7:18:55 PM |
Lucky1 All American 6154 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "Furnishing...15,000? Are you insane? NC State surplus would be able to provide alot, and since its an NC state club, I'm sure you guys could get access to the surplus building before the public does." |
That just wouldnt work. Gays have very expensive taste. AMIRITE?10/25/2006 7:27:06 PM |
jwb9984 All American 14039 Posts user info edit post |
i guess some of them
so do straight people 10/25/2006 7:35:19 PM |
TKEshultz All American 7327 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "if you build it, we will bomb it.
" |
10/25/2006 8:56:08 PM |
BridgetSPK #1 Sir Purr Fan 31378 Posts user info edit post |
^Yeah, we need a center. 10/25/2006 9:11:23 PM |
suamme1 All American 6834 Posts user info edit post |
Even a centroid would be nice. 10/25/2006 10:13:36 PM |
Smath74 All American 93278 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "If people are still walking around campus, thinking homosexuality is "wrong," we need a fucking center and then some." |
of course there are. they are called republicans.10/25/2006 10:17:34 PM |
BridgetSPK #1 Sir Purr Fan 31378 Posts user info edit post |
^That response wasn't worth everybody else calling me stupid. 10/25/2006 10:31:38 PM |
JonHGuth Suspended 39171 Posts user info edit post |
im a democrat with a homosexual family member, homosexual friends, im in favor of this center and I think homosexuality is "wrong" (depending on what was meant by "wrong)
i guess i just dont see why that should change how i feel about anyone or how compassionate and tolerant i am of them 10/25/2006 10:32:57 PM |
BridgetSPK #1 Sir Purr Fan 31378 Posts user info edit post |
^I totally feel you. But every once in a while, I switch back to not feeling that. 10/25/2006 10:46:16 PM |
skankinande All American 28213 Posts user info edit post |
Has anyone said that this is fucking gay yet?
Why is there a need for other centers that single out minorities? Separation is what leads to hate. 10/25/2006 11:05:31 PM |
BridgetSPK #1 Sir Purr Fan 31378 Posts user info edit post |
^Can you prove that making this center will lead to animosity? Honestly?
Or are you just saying that? 10/25/2006 11:12:13 PM |
jwb9984 All American 14039 Posts user info edit post |
^^i'd argue that its actually the other way around
[Edited on October 25, 2006 at 11:12 PM. Reason : /] 10/25/2006 11:12:19 PM |
wolfpack1100 All American 4390 Posts user info edit post |
I have nothing against Homosexuality, its not my choice but if you want to then go ahead. The idea that each individual group on campus should get there own center or building is stupid however. I mean honestly one big multi cultural building would be fine but not one for just one group. I am pretty sure there are more groups that are larger than the LGBT group. No need to make stupid comments about fag's having their own building. Its just stupid to think that we can have a building for every group. If the measure passes and the building gets built then I hope that every group petition's to get their own building that way we can further divide our campus up. 10/26/2006 9:10:37 AM |
skankinande All American 28213 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "The idea that each individual group on campus should get there own center or building is stupid however" |
Thats the point I was trying to make.10/26/2006 11:37:40 AM |
Grapehead All American 19676 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "I think that Bisexual Asian Studies should have its own building. The question is who goes? The math department or the hockey team? ... I think Hockey, call me about it. " |
10/26/2006 11:46:20 AM |
pwrstrkdf250 Suspended 60006 Posts user info edit post |
GAYEST THREAD EVER
still 10/26/2006 11:49:56 AM |
suamme1 All American 6834 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "I have nothing against Homosexuality, its not my choice but if you want to then go ahead." |
Most of the time, it's not a choice. Did you 'choose' to be attracted to women?10/26/2006 11:56:33 AM |
Shivan Bird Football time 11094 Posts user info edit post |
I don't really care where their preferences come from. 10/26/2006 11:59:24 AM |
skankinande All American 28213 Posts user info edit post |
^^Hell yeah, they don't have the same parts as me. 10/26/2006 12:22:41 PM |
skankinande All American 28213 Posts user info edit post |
10/26/2006 12:29:48 PM |
Shivan Bird Football time 11094 Posts user info edit post |
But 2 out of 3 holes ain't bad!!! 10/26/2006 12:30:20 PM |
JonHGuth Suspended 39171 Posts user info edit post |
skank is right. i mean just look at women and black people, they are way worse off than they were before equal rights stuff. these things make the problem worse. i dont know about you but i know that the womens center and african american student union have turned me into a woman hating bigot. 10/26/2006 12:35:46 PM |
bgmims All American 5895 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "^Please don't. Another viewpoint TWW ugliness isn't needed there." |
Quote : | "^Can you prove that making this center will lead to animosity? Honestly?" |
Can you prove it will dissolve animosity? Honestly?
I'd think that its pretty clear building the center can lead to animosity. I mean, aren't you the one in here arguing we need this because it angers so many students?10/26/2006 12:46:34 PM |
hi_biscus Suspended 1732 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | ""they're getting an office in Talley, that's it" maybe someone will read it this time." |
they're not building anything10/26/2006 1:32:32 PM |
nastoute All American 31058 Posts user info edit post |
i wish they would build one
think of all the HOT construction workers
and all the police men needed to guard them
they could build it next to the navy reserve building
my suggestion is to do it when the Rodeo and Annual Native American Powwow converge in a vertex of delight
[Edited on October 26, 2006 at 2:04 PM. Reason : .] 10/26/2006 2:04:01 PM |
TKEshultz All American 7327 Posts user info edit post |
if one ever gets built, be ready for mass vandalism 10/26/2006 2:29:03 PM |
skankinande All American 28213 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "skank is right. i mean just look at women and black people, they are way worse off than they were before equal rights stuff. these things make the problem worse. i dont know about you but i know that the womens center and african american student union have turned me into a woman hating bigot." |
So, you mean to tell me that they are better off because of their student centers?10/26/2006 3:23:16 PM |
Shivan Bird Football time 11094 Posts user info edit post |
I have a dream that my four children will one day live in a nation where they will have their own student centers, and where their classmates pay for them to host programs about culture and equality! 10/26/2006 3:50:47 PM |
JonHGuth Suspended 39171 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "So, you mean to tell me that they are better off because of their student centers?" |
yes, organizations like the proposed one have helped those groups
so unless you would like to show me how exactly the womens center or african american student union have hurt those groups on campus you should probably just drop your point and walk away10/26/2006 5:43:13 PM |
skankinande All American 28213 Posts user info edit post |
Can you prove to me that those centers are the primary factor in greater awareness? Also, find me 10 people that know where the Womens Center is (Witherspoon is primarily known b/c of the cinema and various publication offices/classes that are held there.). 10/26/2006 11:51:47 PM |
suamme1 All American 6834 Posts user info edit post |
I'll bet more women know where the Women's center is then men. 10/27/2006 12:15:14 AM |
Fry The Stubby 7784 Posts user info edit post |
you know... you're probably right. 10/27/2006 12:23:14 AM |
Ernie All American 45943 Posts user info edit post |
THE WOMEN'S CENTER IS IN THE KITCHEN AHAHAHAHA 10/27/2006 12:29:58 AM |
Snewf All American 63368 Posts user info edit post |
yet another reason I am glad I don't go to State
arguing about where the funding is coming from is logical and good
arguing about whether or not diversity is beneficial... fuck you guys and I hope some motherfuckers go to prison for hate crimes after they vandalize that shit NC State is NOT lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgendered friendly 10/27/2006 1:01:43 AM |
VitorBelfort All American 6538 Posts user info edit post |
and we are proud of it 10/27/2006 1:04:45 AM |
hooksaw All American 16500 Posts user info edit post |
For the record, in the context of this thread and the broader discussion about the proposed LGBT site, the word "community" is an artificial construct. That is all--for now. 10/27/2006 1:06:18 AM |