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"i support this hire. team has had no discipline over the past few seasons. bringing in a former marine hopefully fixes this. maybe now we won't have lazy thug players like TA"

jason, the crap about tommy-o being a big disciplinarian at boston college is quite exaggerated. for example, one of his captains punched an opposing player during a game, and he was suspended for all of one guy. there are several instances of his players getting in fights around the town, like that bar brawl earlier this year.

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"superchevy if you can read, which may be in doubt judging by the blind hate towards o'brien, everyone has said we didnt start talking to anyone til Monday, because prospective coaches wanted their regular season to be over first"

i don't hate o'brien. i hate hiring him. there's a difference. and who is "everyone"??? and you do realize that coaching candidates speak in semantics, right?

12/7/2006 10:51:50 AM

O'Brien will have a better record against Butch Davis than either O'Cain or Amato had against Carolina -write that down

12/7/2006 11:01:58 AM

butch davis is already 4-0 against tommy-o.

12/7/2006 11:02:32 AM

yes i do and i also realize that we havent been in constant contact with every "big name" that you guys wanted for the past two weeks too

remember who the AD is

12/7/2006 11:03:06 AM

i dont think anyone can honestly compare what O'Brien did at BC to what he might do at NCSU and what Davis did at Miami and what he might do at UNC. Four totally different programs. Everyone can speculate all they want, we wont know until next year....like him as the hire or not, he is the new coach... GO PACK.

12/7/2006 11:04:20 AM

^^^^recall My Cocaine was 0-7 against UNC

[Edited on December 7, 2006 at 11:05 AM. Reason : .]

12/7/2006 11:05:10 AM

i see you added a carat.

[Edited on December 7, 2006 at 11:15 AM. Reason : ]

12/7/2006 11:06:10 AM

who does everyone think that tom o'brien will start at quarterback?

he had a good qb at BC in matt ryan. it is probably going to be between burke or beck.

i don't think their oc is all that great, their numbers as far as ppg aren't that much better than ours besides a few games, most against crappy teams w/ the exception of maryland:

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"August 31 at Central Michigan W 31-24 1-0 (0-0) September 9 No. 18 Clemson W 34-33 2-0 (1-0) September 16 Brigham Young W 30-23 3-0 (1-0) September 23 at North Carolina State L 17-15 3-1 (1-1) September 30 Maine W 22-0 4-1 (1-1) October 12 No. 22 Virginia Tech W 22-3 5-1 (2-1) October 21 at Florida State W 24-19 6-1 (3-1) October 28 Buffalo W 41-0 7-1 (3-1) November 4 at No. 22 Wake Forest L 21-14 7-2 (3-2) November 11 Duke W 28-7 8-2 (4-2) November 18 No. 21 Maryland W 38-16 9-2 (5-2) November 23 at Miami (FL) L 17-14 "

[Edited on December 7, 2006 at 11:13 AM. Reason : they averaged right at 26 ppg]

12/7/2006 11:11:15 AM

hahah, superchevy doesn't know shit.

12/7/2006 11:12:19 AM

maybe he will bring that hottie that trotts around behind him on the sidelines

12/7/2006 11:13:03 AM

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"recall My Cocaine was 0-7 against UNC "

my bad - i forgot how bad it was

12/7/2006 11:13:37 AM

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"hahah, superchevy doesn't know shit."

enlighten me.

12/7/2006 11:14:25 AM

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"jason, the crap about tommy-o being a big disciplinarian at boston college is quite exaggerated. for example, one of his captains punched an opposing player during a game, and he was suspended for all of one guy. there are several instances of his players getting in fights around the town, like that bar brawl earlier this year."

Well, you just questioned his being a disciplinarian when he suspended a guy for a game. Are you dumb? Would he still be a disciplinarian if the punishment were a whopping two games?

Then you took one random occurrence that was out of his control to try and support you.

But yet, you didn't bother to throw in the statistic of their penalty yards versus ours this year (here is a hint, it's better even than a decently improved NCSU team this year).

12/7/2006 11:18:09 AM

I love how we're on a 7 game losing streak and TOB's 9 wins a season for the past 3 years isn't good enough.

I'm not reading this whole damn thread, but if someone can come up with some goods reason not to like this pick, I'll be shocked.

It's not a sexy pick, but it sure seems like a smart pick. I support TOB.

12/7/2006 11:21:58 AM

It's official, if it already wasn't. We have the most idiotic fanbase in the country. I mean who the fuck did you want us to hire, a damn D-2 Coach just because he may have potential. We just got a guy that finishes in the top 25 every year and wins 9 games a year lately. He rebuilt BC to respectability at a place where it is hard to recruit anyone. He brings in great lineman and QB's, one thing that lord knows we need. If he brings that in with the current nucleus of the team, who knows what can happen...

my lord, give the guy a chance.

12/7/2006 11:23:47 AM

^ perfectly stated

12/7/2006 11:24:39 AM

While I wasn't overly happy when his name was mentioned I will give him a chance and I will support him. Anyone who jumps on the "hate bandwagon" without giving him a chance is a dumbass and is THE reason everyone(media, etc) trashes us. WE DO HAVE SOME THE WORST FANS IN COLLEGE SPORTS!!!

12/7/2006 11:27:33 AM

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"WE DO HAVE SOME THE WORST FANS IN COLLEGE SPORTS!!!"

Don't let a few dumbass college kids on a message board and a few old geazers on a message board label an entire fan base.

12/7/2006 11:28:35 AM

^

Guess you didn't see the word SOME.....

12/7/2006 11:29:12 AM

Hey, I know, let's have a semantics debate over what the word 'some' could mean in context!!!

The way you stated it sounds like you are labeling everyone.

12/7/2006 11:30:21 AM

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"one of his captains punched an opposing player during a game, and he was suspended for all of one guy game."

that's a hell of a lot better than spitting on an official and getting suspended for one quarter.

[Edited on December 7, 2006 at 11:32 AM. Reason : /]

12/7/2006 11:32:23 AM

So will someone comment on this guys recruiting and not his lack of making you happy.

12/7/2006 11:34:30 AM

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"Well, you just questioned his being a disciplinarian when he suspended a guy for a game. Are you dumb? Would he still be a disciplinarian if the punishment were a whopping two games? Then you took one random occurrence that was out of his control to try and support you. But yet, you didn't bother to throw in the statistic of their penalty yards versus ours this year (here is a hint, it's better even than a decently improved NCSU team this year)."

the guy was a CAPTAIN, and he PUNCHED an opponent. the way people have been propping tommy-o as a disciplinarian, i would think one of his CAPTAINS wouldn't have PUNCHED someone on the field. he also should've been suspended for more than 1 game, imo.

bc fans will be the first to tell you that he is overrated as a disciplinarian, and they've been saying it before yesterday.

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"I love how we're on a 7 game losing streak and TOB's 9 wins a season for the past 3 years isn't good enough. I'm not reading this whole damn thread, but if someone can come up with some goods reason not to like this pick, I'll be shocked. It's not a sexy pick, but it sure seems like a smart pick. I support TOB."

he was padding his states with temple, rutgers, uconn, and div-1aa opponents. sound familiar?
how are you going to say you want reasons why this is a bad hire, but then say you're not going to read the thread???

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"a damn D-2 Coach just because he may have potential. "

which of the other candidates are div2 coaches? not pj, jimbo, sherman, chow, cutcliffe, kragthorpe, shula...

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"that's a hell of a lot better than spitting on an official and getting suspended for one quarter."

for the billionth time. tank spat on a PLAYER (not saying it's better), and some spit unintentionally got on a referee. anyways, my point wasn't to compare the disciplining of amato and o'brien. i was only saying that o'brien is overrated as a disciplinarian.

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"So will someone comment on this guys recruiting and not his lack of making you happy."

o'brien has no recruiting ties in north carolina nor the southeast. now, he is expected to compete with 4 other division 1a schools in the state, 3 of which are our near neighbors. he'll be hitting the recruiting trails against unc's butch davis, an experienced recruiter of the area; jim grobe, who's wake forest team just won the conference title; philip fulmer (tenn.); steve spurrier (south car.); tommy bowden (clemson); bobby bowden (fsu); mark richt (georgia); and miami's new coach.

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"Here's where Scout.com ranked their last 5 recruiting classes: '07 - 45th - 2.71 avg. stars '06 - 44th - 2.40 avg. '05 - 58th - 2.38 avg. '04 - 42nd - 2.45 avg. '03 - 27th - 2.58 avg. Average recruiting ranking nationally: 43.2 Average star rating for these recruits: 2.504 The '03 class that was the highest of the last five contained 0 top 100 players--no 5 or 4 star recruits. The overwhelming majority of TOB's recruits have been 3-star players. Further, out of these five recruiting classes, there have only been 2 top 100 players."

http://mb17.scout.com/fnorthcarolinastatefrm1.showMessage?topicID=64521.topic

[Edited on December 7, 2006 at 11:39 AM. Reason : ]

12/7/2006 11:34:35 AM

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"temple, rutgers, uconn"

in all fairness, from that list on Temple can be called a padding - the others are decent teams.

and the whole cupcake card is played out - every team plays a couple of cupcakes knowingly.

12/7/2006 11:42:53 AM

^^ Sure, he beat the likes of Rutgers, Temple, Army, etc.

As I recall when Amato has the Gator Bowl year, no one complained that it was built based on OOC cupcakes.

Also, last I checked, we LOST to a bunch of "cupcake teams" like Akron, UNC, ECU, etc.

Also, if you're using strength of schedule to diminish his recent winning seasons, let's look at Paul Johnson's SOS, the top person people seem to want instead of TOB.

Navy padded this year with the likes of, gasp: ECU, UMASS, EAstern Michigan, Temple

Every team plays cupcakes. At least TOB beats the cupcakes...

[Edited on December 7, 2006 at 11:43 AM. Reason : ]

12/7/2006 11:43:00 AM

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"bc fans will be the first to tell you that he is overrated as a disciplinarian, and they've been saying it before yesterday."

How about find some fucking links. I don't take what some ass clown on a message board says at face value. Especially when he is being ludicrous at thinking 2 incidents (1 completely outside of the coaches control) make a coach a failing disciplinarian indicative of a program that is out of control.

It stands a little juxtaposed when a coach can graduate the hell out of his players but he can't discipline.

I guess his assistants much be geniuses at finding smart players because they can't be doing anything to be sure they graduate because they lack control and discipline with in the program.

Wake up you ass hat.

12/7/2006 11:43:50 AM

In terms of recruiting...he had to recruit fucking BC. They've done nothing but win there and they still don't get any support.

Recruiting at BC /=/ recruiting at State.

12/7/2006 11:45:09 AM

even a high school team under Skip Holtz is NOT a cupcake - so go ahead and stop saying that

(i exaggerate for effect ok)

12/7/2006 11:45:37 AM

Recycle for a better TOMorrow?

12/7/2006 11:46:54 AM

last i checked, rutgers was a good team, and we lose to our "cupcakes"

12/7/2006 11:48:16 AM

Not to mention, they had to play Temple yearly up till a couple years ago.

12/7/2006 11:49:59 AM

FIRE FOWLER

12/7/2006 11:50:29 AM

rutgers is having their best season EVER. they had an overwhelming losing record the between '00-'05. uconn? they're not a good team. are you kidding, sru?

slackerb, we're not talking about amato. there has been thousands of threads about amato. we're talking about tom o'brien. he pads his stats. as for navy... THEY'RE FUCKING NAVY! i'm not going to post a thesis for you about navy's intrinsic disadvantages. just know that pj has be remarkable at navy considering.

blind hate:
a. besides the boards and blogs, i know bc students. they're all happy beyond their minds. not because they expect a better coach, but they wanted something different. they felt like o'brien plateaued.
b. yes, bc recruits smarter players. for one thing, bc is a private institution with higher standards. secondly, they're not a football school so they're not as lax as others with athletic admissions.
c. i guarantee you that we will never see 96% graduation rates at nc state, or anything close to it.
d. i love that you feel comfortable enough to continually talk shit over the internet.

12/7/2006 11:50:33 AM

I support TOB. And I've yet to see any reason why you guys are against him besides the fact you don't like him and maybe he wasn't your first choice.

12/7/2006 11:51:29 AM

^

12/7/2006 11:52:11 AM

^^^ So what coach should we have hired that did not pad his stats with "cupcakes"?

Tell us who you would have hired?

[Edited on December 7, 2006 at 11:53 AM. Reason : ]

12/7/2006 11:52:46 AM

AS I SAID, I DON'T HATE TOMMY-O. I HATE HIS HIRING. HERE ARE MY REASONS:

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"now is the perfect time to take a huge step up. o'brien is a solid, but medicore hire. as i said, we had BETTER coaches who said they WANTED to coach here. all-time versus temple, rutgers, uconn, i-aa schools, and any non-bcs program other than byu or boise state: 38 wins 5 losses all-time versus all other schools: 37 wins 39 losses all-time against the ap top 25: 7 wins 21 losses all-time against teams that finished the season in the ap top 25: 4 wins 22 losses all-time against miami, virginia tech, and florida state: 3 win 15 losses all-time conference titles (9 years at bc): 0 those stats were compiled by http://www.firetob.com] other points: - this is not only an inter-conference move, but an inter-division move. - bc fans are ecstatic. i wonder why? - out outgoing coach, chuck amato (3-9), beat o'brien this year. we won because instead of sealing the game with a short field goal, o'brien decided to try and convert on 4th and 3 with a fullback offtackle play. his fullback was just coming off a shouler injury, and reinjured the same shoulder earlier in the game. this blunder left 42 seconds on the gameclock, and he allowed us to drive the field for a game winning touchdown. - a couple of years ago, bc could've gotten a bcs bowl bid (a first for o'brien) by simply beating syracuse, a horrible football team. bc and o'brien choked. - those are examples of what bc fans have dubbed "wtf games". he has a couple of these every year. - butch davis, unc's new head coach, is 4-0 versuse tom o'brien. unc is our biggest rival, and losing to them has been a primary factor for the firing of our previous two coaches. - o'brien has no recruiting ties in north carolina nor the southeast. now, he is expected to compete with 4 other division 1a schools in the state, 3 of which are our near neighbors. he'll be hitting the recruiting trails against unc's butch davis, an experienced recruiter of the area; jim grobe, who's wake forest team just won the conference title; philip fulmer (tenn.); steve spurrier (south car.); tommy bowden (clemson); bobby bowden (fsu); mark richt (georgia); and miami's new coach. - his lack of charisma and stoic personality isn't going to help him much on the recruiting trails. not saying the guy needs to be boistrious, but he is a saltine cracker. - o'brien's disciplinarian rep is vastly overrated. he has routinely given out lax punishments. a 1 game suspension for a captain who punched an opponent is an example. bc fans have complained about this even before news broke about o'brien being hired by nc state. - he had a VERY poor relationship with his previous athletic director and bc alumni. if he can't develop and maintain a good relationship at a school's football priorities fall behind hockey and lacrosse, things don't bode well for him at nc state. our athletic director calls a faction of the fanbase "the lunatic fringe". as messed up as that is, he's somewhat right. o'brien will get torn apart by the fans, alumni, boosters, and media down here. - o'brien has been pimping himself out for years now, and got publicly rejected by schools such as unc, washingtion, and arizona state. the guy's been trying to jump ship for awhile now, but had no where to go. now he is essentially doing it in-house. we're taking a multiple time reject over guys many schools want, and guys highly respected as up-and-coming superstar head coaches. - this hire creates a MAJOR rift in our fanbase... again. - we've been interviewing candidates for two weeks, but ended up hiring a guy we talked with for less than a day. i'm still livid about the prospect of tom o'brien being our next head coach. i haven't felt this ill about anything in several years."

12/7/2006 11:53:29 AM

GG Charlotte Observer....

http://www.charlotte.com/mld/charlotte/sports/16181692.htm

12/7/2006 11:54:44 AM

i'm good friends with a few BC grads, and they're pretty pissed about this. o'brien was stable, managed his staff well, and won games.

12/7/2006 11:54:58 AM

^^^ jesus christ.. stop bitching.. no one cares... he is our coach, nothing can be done

all you are doing is trolling.

[Edited on December 7, 2006 at 11:55 AM. Reason : ^]

12/7/2006 11:55:25 AM

i'm answering questions. how is that bitching or trolling???

12/7/2006 11:56:09 AM

Those 'other points' show a complete lack of understanding about the BCU football program and about Tom O'Brien himself. I don't care to argue it because I've done it all before.

The only thing I'll say is that BCU reached it's ceiling as a program, not TOB as a coach.

oh and he only played UConn at the 1-A level twice.. It's not like he continually beat up on them..

[Edited on December 7, 2006 at 11:58 AM. Reason : x]

12/7/2006 11:57:14 AM

I'm fairly sure the questions came up because of the bitching

12/7/2006 11:57:27 AM

if he's as terrible as that website makes him out to be, he'll be easy for our new AD to fire when Cowher is ready to coach us in the next 2-5 years

12/7/2006 11:58:56 AM

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"a. besides the boards and blogs, "

POST

A FUCKING

LINK

12/7/2006 11:58:58 AM

man, y'all are dense. i've stated my points; as have others. the info is there. this is going to be another herb affair where people have made up their minds, and are going to be stubborn about it.

way to about dividing the fans again, lee. you're fantastic!

^ I'VE BEEN READING THEM FOR YEARS. I DON'T BOOKMARK EVERY BIT. GO LOOK FOR YOURSELF, YOU LAZY MOTHERFUCKER. GO LOOK. SERIOUSLY. SEE WHAT THE MESSAGE BOARDS AND BLOGS ARE SAYING, EVEN THOUGH YOU FEEL THEY'RE AN INVALID BAROMETER. BETTER YET, GO TAKE A TRIP UP TO BOSTON AND TALK TO THE PEOPLE THERE IN PERSON (AS I HAVE).

[Edited on December 7, 2006 at 12:00 PM. Reason : ]

12/7/2006 11:59:23 AM

SERIOUSLY MAN.. STFU

he didn't divide the fans.. only a few morons on TWW that don't understand that he is a good coach

[Edited on December 7, 2006 at 12:00 PM. Reason : .]

12/7/2006 12:00:03 PM

riiiiiight. "a few morons". hahahahaha!!!!!

12/7/2006 12:01:23 PM

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"way to about dividing the fans again, lee. you're fantastic!"

if you're trying to say what i think you are, my response is that anyone not named bill cowher would've divided the fans.

12/7/2006 12:01:32 PM

not to the degree this hire has.

12/7/2006 12:02:17 PM