they are not innately public figures(to take a page out of morons book, or whoever said that to me a few days ago)

4/14/2007 8:23:05 PM

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"college basketball ... is a widely-publicized sport, and therefore the players are "public figures.""

goddamn, thats one of the most retarded things I've heard anyone say in quite a while.

i swear. you people.

4/14/2007 8:23:07 PM

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"Allegations of racism, misogyny, and homophobia Imus and his crew, Charles McCord and Bernard McGuirk, have been repeatedly accused of racism, misogyny, homophobia and anti-semitism. For example, Imus and his cohorts referred to African American sports columnist Bill Rhoden as a "New York Times quota hire"[32]and PBS anchor Gwen Ifill as a "cleaning lady."[33][34] Imus has repeatedly referred to Arabs as "ragheads."[35] He has berated many female newsreaders, most recently Contessa Brewer, which caused her to leave the show. After she left the show, Imus went on a tirade, saying, “With that fat ass she’s got, she wouldn’t be one of ‘em,” [a beautiful woman]. Imus said on the air, "That skank has to spend three hours with makeup in the morning." The tirade was also tied to comments that were overheard of Contessa's calling Imus “a cantankerous old fool” at a dinner in a restaurant in 2005, when she was still newsreader.[36] During Imus's show a producer also poked fun at poet Maya Angelou.[37] As reported by New York Times columnist Bob Herbert,[38] in the course of a 1998 interview with Mike Wallace on the CBS News 60 Minutes program, Imus admitted telling a producer off-camera that McGuirk was hired to perform "nigger jokes." On his December 15, 2004, show, Imus referred to publishers Simon & Schuster as "thieving Jews", and later in the show issued a mock apology, saying the phrase was "redundant". In October 1998 he described media critic Howard Kurtz as "that boner-nosed . . . beanie-wearing little Jew boy”.[39] Imus' routines were full of anti-gay epithets, including "faggot", "lesbo", and various terms for gay sex. [40] Imus’s defenders say that he is actually an equal-opportunity offender. He has been noted to make fun of not only African Americans and gays, but Irish, Roman Catholic, Italians, and other assorted peoples as well. [41]"

-wiki

I guess what disturbs me about this is not that he had a history, but that he wasn't fired long ago.

4/14/2007 8:36:07 PM

i think the things you bolded are all worse than "nappy headed hos"

4/14/2007 8:40:27 PM

^ becasue....

its okay to refer to a bunch of 18-20 year old gals on a womens NCAA basketball team as "NIGGER WHORES"?

because thats exactly what "nappy headed hoes" means

4/14/2007 8:48:05 PM

how the hell does

nappy headed = nigger?

4/14/2007 9:01:58 PM

imus is jewish, so if he is anti-semitic, he's a self-loather.

4/14/2007 9:07:25 PM

I thought it would be amusing if the Rutgers team responded, "We don't care what that honkey thinks."

See, that would actually be funny.

4/14/2007 9:11:13 PM

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"its okay to refer to a bunch of 18-20 year old gals on a womens NCAA basketball team as "NIGGER WHORES"? because thats exactly what "nappy headed hoes" means "

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"goddamn, thats one of the most retarded things I've heard anyone say in quite a while. i swear. you people."

4/14/2007 9:13:33 PM

wait. remind me again... WHY THE HELL DOES THIS MATTER AT ALL?

4/14/2007 9:17:55 PM

^ it doesn't.

4/14/2007 9:23:13 PM

I do not care what it says on teh internets, I've known some nappy headed hoes who were white.

And Imus has done more for black people than some of the nappy headed hoes found in this thread ever will.

4/14/2007 9:34:17 PM

^When you say it over and over, it makes his comment seem less offensive. I totally see his side now...

OH WAIT!

4/14/2007 9:51:49 PM

Did I defend what he said? No, I haven't. The fact that he was slamming 18-20 year old girls who accomplished so much is disgusting. But that doesn't mean that nappy headed hoes is race specific.

4/14/2007 9:54:49 PM

Do you think, in this specific case, he was using it to refer to race in an offensive manner?

4/14/2007 9:56:55 PM

wow what imus said is still such an important news story

thank god we're still talking about it, 10 days after he made the comments

4/14/2007 9:58:22 PM

You may be right, the only one who knows that for certain is Imus. I personally think that he was trying to be funny and it backfired. His comments were stupid to possibly borderline racist, but I don't think that he was being blatantly racist like some have inferred.

4/14/2007 10:04:49 PM

^^I've been busy.

^To me, it's so blatantly obvious that he's using it to reference their race. If he wasn't, then he shouldn't have apologized.

4/14/2007 10:18:01 PM

but, he does this kind of shit all the time to EVERYONE, every race. why should he apologize to blacks and not whites, for instance?

4/14/2007 10:24:19 PM

^One word: society.

Or were you hoping to identify a single person who determines who Imus apologizes to and who he doesn't apologize to?

4/14/2007 10:31:57 PM

so, why should people start getting pissed off now? that is my point.

4/14/2007 10:40:18 PM

A number of reasons.

I suspect you have a couple reasons floating around over there.

Why don't you share yours? Then I'll share mine.

4/14/2007 10:45:02 PM

ummm, because the people complaining about it are racist bastards?

4/14/2007 10:48:59 PM

^ i see what you did there

from here on out, anyone who claims racial discrimination, is in fact a racist in their own right and are intent on destroying the country with their obvious race-baiting.

4/14/2007 10:55:29 PM

it's possible... but not likely

so, why can't I call the people who engage in racism "racists?" because, when you go around saying that people of a certain color can't do things that you think are OK for people of another color to do, well, that's pretty much racist...

4/14/2007 11:01:11 PM

^^^I'm not following. Let's say you're correct that the people complaining about it are racist bastards (which doesn't make any sense, by the way)...how does that translate into more people "getting pissed off now?

Are you drunk?

Upon your response, I'll share my reasons that this is just now getting addressed.

4/14/2007 11:07:53 PM

you know, this ultimately isnt a black/white or feminist issue

the most important thing to note here, is what Imus did violated some fundamental pillars of american sensibilities.

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"don't fuck with an underdog. and dont kick someone when they're down"

if Imus had made racist comments about some NBA players, or even misogynistic remarks towards some WPGA players, it would have been off the radar in no time, if it would have even gotten any play whatsoever.

But here he is, some wealthy old white guy, picking on 18-20 year old gals who just came off a improbable cinderella story NCAA women's basketball tournament run. these gals were being celebrated for their efforts nationally. not to mention each of them have their own individual success stories.

that was his first fuck up.

his second fuckup was to use racist, misogynistic language that he is so accustomed to getting away with in the past. but too bad for the old bastard, too many people across the nation, white and black, male and female, found this highly offensive and disgusting.

this time he opened himself up to takign real damage from people who are sick of hearing old rich white guys who think they are above the rules of society. he went too far and offended too many people this time, and he did so in a way that was just indefensible.

Cause you see, Imus is a *mainstream* media personality. hes not Chris Rock or Jeff Foxworthy or Kanye West. his sponsors are not FuBu or NASCAR. His sponsors are corporations like Ford Fucking Motor Company. who have got enough problems without having to absorb the damage control for Imus' stupid ass.






[Edited on April 14, 2007 at 11:14 PM. Reason : ]

4/14/2007 11:07:54 PM

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"...the LA Times today had an interesting political angle: Over the years, Democrats....came to count on Imus for the kind of sympathetic treatment that Republicans got from Rush Limbaugh or Sean Hannity. Equally important, Imus gave Democrats a pipeline to a crucial voting bloc that was perennially hard for them to reach: politically independent white men. With Imus' show canceled indefinitely because of his remarks about the Rutgers University women's basketball team, some Democratic strategists are worried about how to fill the void. For a national radio audience of white men, Democrats see few if any alternatives. "This is a real bind for Democrats," said Dan Gerstein, an advisor to one of Imus' favorite regulars, Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-Conn.). "Talk radio has become primarily the province of the right, and the blogosphere is largely the province of the left. If Imus loses his microphone, there aren't many other venues like it around." --Reason"

4/14/2007 11:09:37 PM

^^ how does that translate? pretty simple. The normal, non-racist people didn't give a fuck. the racist people got all uppity. => more people pissed off now than before.

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"the most important thing to note here, is what Imus did violated some fundamental pillars of american sensibilities."

you mean the same sensibilities that allow black rappers to run around calling people "niggers" and "nappy headed hoes?"

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"Imus is a mainstream media personality."

how are Chris Rock, Jeff Foxworthy, or Kanye West NOT mainstream media personalities? they are on airwaves ALL THE TIME. Just because they don't have a big ass show doesn't make them "not important" or somehow different. To me, I see foxworthy and rock as bigger people, seeing as how I've actually heard of them before...

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"too bad for the old bastard, too many people across the nation, white and black, male and female, members of the media and other race-baiters found this to be a perfect opportunity to cause a ruckus over nothing, and so they pretended that it was highly offensive and disgusting."

There, fixed it for you

4/14/2007 11:14:15 PM

person A; look at that bunch of niggers.

person B: hey! you cant go calling people niggers on live radio! you should be fired.

person A: oh gimme a break. youre such a "race baiter"

4/14/2007 11:19:26 PM

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"aaronburro: ^^ how does that translate? pretty simple. The normal, non-racist people didn't give a fuck. the racist people got all uppity. => more people pissed off now than before."

This still doesn't make sense. So racist people weren't angry before, but now they are angry, and they are a huge force that have a huge impact...?

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"aaronburro: you mean the same sensibilities that allow black rappers to run around calling people "niggers" and "nappy headed hoes?""

Yup, the same sensibilities. You know, the same sensibilities that censor their songs on the radio. Maybe Imus needed a censor. LOL. OMG, DID I BLOW YOUR MIND?!?!

4/14/2007 11:23:12 PM

more like this:

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"person B: haha, look at those niggers, haha! person A: look at that bunch of niggers. person B: hey! you cant go calling people niggers on live radio! you should be fired. person A: oh gimme a break. youre such a "race baiter" "

^ it makes perfect sense. The racists weren't paying much attention to him before. Then someone lets them know "hey, this guy just called us niggers!", so the racists get up in arms. Pretty simple. if you ask me...

oh, and I wasn't aware that all CDs and mp3s were magically censored. I forgot that we have removed all references to anything similar to "nappy headed hoes" from all music, both on CD and radio

And why am I not surprised to hear a liberal suggesting censorship

[Edited on April 14, 2007 at 11:29 PM. Reason : ]

4/14/2007 11:29:35 PM

^Oh, so by "racist," you meant "black." Could you explain that? By the way, every white person I've spoken to found what he said offensive...and that's ten white people.

When I mentioned censors, I was speaking about radio--in fact, I even specified with the words "on the radio" (are you stupid?). If Imus wants to put out an album of him saying I'M GONNA RAPE 'N' KILL NIGGERS! over and over again, he can do that. I'm pretty sure David Allan Coe beat him to it though.

[Edited on April 14, 2007 at 11:38 PM. Reason : s.s]

4/14/2007 11:36:55 PM

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"And why am I not surprised to hear a liberal suggesting censorship "

it aint censorship. its the free market, baby.

corporate sponsors decide who they want and dont want to be associated with.

im sorry that you hate the free market so much, aaronburro.

and as soon as the sponsors of Def Jam, Loud, Interscope, Bad Boy, etc... realize they're losing money by associating with those labels, well then we'll start seeing some self censorship there too.

unfortunately for you, reality has a liberal bias. simple as that.




[Edited on April 14, 2007 at 11:39 PM. Reason : ]

4/14/2007 11:38:30 PM

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"Oh, so by "racist," you meant "black." Could you explain that?"

well, in this case, the racists ARE black, for the most part. if the shoe fits...

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"By the way, every white person I've spoken to found what he said offensive...and that's ten white people"

how many were regular listeners? how many were me?

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"in fact, I even specified with the words "on the radio" (are you stupid?). "

and its TOO FUCKING BAD that the rappers words go out on MORE THAN JUST THE RADIO!!! you know, my point, and all. (are you stupid?)

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"I'm pretty sure David Allan Coe beat him to it though."

hehe, he sure as hell did. which is a major reason I don't listen to DAC whatsoever.

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"it aint censorship. its the free market, baby."

that's a real gem, buddy. explain to me how the GOVERNMENT censoring something is an example of the FREE MARKET? dumbass.

4/14/2007 11:43:45 PM

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"aaronburro: well, in this case, the racists ARE black, for the most part. if the shoe fits..."

Are me and my ten white friends racist for being offended?

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"aaronburro: how many were regular listeners? how many were me?"

One. Plus me. I watched for about a month when I had sleeping problems and was actually up around that time. And my response was mostly, "AHA, I love this irreverent bastard!"

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"aaronburro: and its TOO FUCKING BAD that the rappers words go out on MORE THAN JUST THE RADIO!!! you know, my point, and all. (are you stupid?)"

And that's why I said if Imus wants to put out an album saying all the racist shit he can think of, then he's free to do it. Just like the rappers are free to do.

I don't see the confusion here...?

[Edited on April 15, 2007 at 12:14 AM. Reason : (I still listen to DAC. Plenty of musicians have been racists...still rockin.)]

4/15/2007 12:13:22 AM

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"Are me and my ten white friends racist for being offended?"

nope, you are just fools who fell for the trap.

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"I watched for about a month "

that hardly makes you a "regular listener"

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"nd that's why I said if Imus wants to put out an album saying all the racist shit he can think of, then he's free to do it. Just like the rappers are free to do. "

you miss the point, dear. censoring the radio DOESN'T STOP the rappers from putting the message out there. that you willfully ignore that fact is quite pathetic. The point is that practically none of the people blasting Imus are doing the same to the rappers who are DOING THE SAME THING. that's why it's racist. if Imus were black, probably no one would have given a damn.

4/15/2007 12:20:16 AM

^The media have been bashing rappers for all sorts of things for a long ass time, including their treatment of women in their music, their glorification of street life, and their use of racial slurs...what's the problem here?

4/15/2007 12:22:45 AM

show me any rappers they have blasted consistently for the past 12 days.

please.

show me ANY rappers they blasted for any 12 days. hell they don't even have to be consecutive.

4/15/2007 12:29:04 AM

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"me: "it aint censorship. its the free market, baby." aaronburro: that's a real gem, buddy. explain to me how the GOVERNMENT censoring something is an example of the FREE MARKET? dumbass. "

what the fuck, dude? are we having like some kind of parallel universe conversation here or something?

or do you just not know what the fuck youre talking about?

the "Government" had nothing to do with Imus' firing.

Imus was fired by CBS. and MSNBC. because their corporate sponsors were going to remove the funding, because their association with Imus was hurting their bottom line

please try to understand the basics of the issue at hand before running off on the whole "dumbass" thing, okay?

unless you don't mind looking like a dumbass.

4/15/2007 12:31:34 AM

and yet we were talking about CENSORSHIP. something the gov't does. good work, man

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"please try to understand the basics of the issue at hand before running off on the whole "dumbass" thing, okay? unless you don't mind looking like a dumbass. "

[Edited on April 15, 2007 at 12:32 AM. Reason : ]

4/15/2007 12:32:27 AM

good god damn man.

are you retarded?

do you even know what the fuck "censorship" even means?

4/15/2007 12:34:42 AM

umm yes. suppressing speech. and bridget suggested that we censor people. GET WITH THE PROGRAM, DUMBASS

4/15/2007 12:38:03 AM

^You compared him to a rapper, and I pointed out that rappers are also censored. (Interesting fact...their censorship actually varies from region to region, by the way. I've listened to the radio in CA, and they censor out the weirdest stuff and let stuff that wouldn't fly here play on...)

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"aaronburro: show me any rappers they have blasted consistently for the past 12 days. please. show me ANY rappers they blasted for any 12 days. hell they don't even have to be consecutive."

Which leads me to my list of possible reasons I think he is getting so much press and is just coming under real fire now (I promised them earlier):

1. straw that broke the camel's back (history of saying shit like this)
2. Anna Nicole Smith hangover (need a horse to kill and beat!!!)
3. specific target (Rutgers team) vs. general target (black women)...grants the opportunity for specific response
4. multi-channel appeal (news and ESPN WOO HOO!!!)
5. "nappy-headed hos" is infinitely more interesting than any of his other derogatory remarks
6. has Bush and Co. fucked up lately? Cause this stuff always seems to get pushed during those mistakes.
7. so many angles!!!

[Edited on April 15, 2007 at 12:49 AM. Reason : ]

4/15/2007 12:46:19 AM

im not talking to bridget. im talking to you. about Imus being censored.

actually, im not talking to you.

its pointless.

4/15/2007 12:47:06 AM

actually, "jiggaboo" was far worse than "nappy headed hoes" as far as being racially derogatory...

and schmoe, Bridget was, more or less, suggesting gov't cenorship, or something of the sort. I'm sorry you couldn't see that through your rose-coloured bubble

4/15/2007 1:02:24 AM

^It was most definitely worse. But it wasn't nearly as interesting.

And I was not suggesting government censorship. I just pointed out that rappers are censored on the radio, just like Imus is being censored.

[Edited on April 15, 2007 at 1:04 AM. Reason : ...]

4/15/2007 1:03:57 AM

^ in short, it wasn't nearly as convenient to use for their purpose at the time...

4/15/2007 1:05:09 AM

Explain. You are not making any sense at all.

Seriously, what is wrong with you?

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4/15/2007 1:31:46 AM