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6/26/2007 10:21:31 PM

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" i mean i dont see how you can fault wwe for the first airing of the tribute. with the police report not out until it had ended, it's understandable they wouldnt assume he killed them all. they probably just didn't know what to do for the west coast // were in shock from what was released"

I agree, plus in one of the reports I read it was the WWE who asked authorities to check on the home anyway. I am sure they were acting on how they handled the death of Eddie Guerrero and it is obvious it took time to put together a package of interviews and video footage for 3 hours. I can't blame them on their response because they had to show something and people were looking for some type of response from the company good or bad.

[Edited on June 26, 2007 at 10:26 PM. Reason : .]

6/26/2007 10:25:21 PM

[Edited on June 26, 2007 at 10:46 PM. Reason : .]

6/26/2007 10:28:56 PM

^^ Me too. It's a catch-22. They couldn't ignore the deaths, they canceled the show. If they didn't have people saying how upset and sad they were about the deaths, it would be inconsiderate and McMahon would be seen as ungrateful for disregarding his talent that gave so much to him over the years just to cover his ass for a murder charge that didn't exist yet. If they did run a tribute and Benoit murdered two people, than they would get criticism they're getting now.

WWE is going to get plenty of criticism in the coming days, some deserved. The tribute show not knowing what had happened is not one of them.

[Edited on June 26, 2007 at 10:32 PM. Reason : .]

6/26/2007 10:32:20 PM

Yeah, I mean it was scheduled for to be a tribute show, they just had to change whom they were memorializing at the last minute. To me at the time it was a move that made the most sense, business wise. Had the information that we have now been made earlier I am sure the WWE would have taken an alternative route. I mean what business would willingly make a tribute to a known murderer.

6/26/2007 10:35:24 PM

WWE has his text messages on their website:

Text Message 1 to two co-workers (sent 6/24 at 3:53am)- Chris Benoit’s cell phone
“My physical address is 130 Green Meadow Lane, Fayetteville Georgia. 30215”

Text Message 2 to two co-workers (sent 6/24 at 3:53am)- Chris Benoit’s cell phone
“The dogs are in the enclosed pool area. Garage side door is open”

Text Message 3 to two co-workers (sent 6/24 at 3:54am)- Nancy Benoit’s cell phone
“My physical address is 130 Green Meadow Lane.
Fayetteville Georgia. 30215”

Text Message 4 to two co-workers (sent 6/24 at 3:55am)- Nancy Benoit’s cell phone
“My physical address is 130 Green Meadow Lane.
Fayetteville Georgia. 30215"

Text Message 5 to one co-worker (sent 6/24 at 3:58am)- Nancy Benoit’s cell phone
“My address is 130 Green Meadow Lane. Fayetteville Georgia. 30215”

6/26/2007 10:46:19 PM

.. ?

6/26/2007 10:50:02 PM

Vince McMahon's message before the show tonight:

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"Last night on Monday Night Raw, the WWE presented a special tribute show, recognizing the career of Chris Benoit. However, now some 26 hours later, the facts of this horrific tragedy are now apparent. Therefore, other than my comments, there will be no mention of Mr. Benoit tonight. On the contrary, tonight's show will be dedicated to everyone who has been affected by this terrible incident. This evening marks the first step of the healing process. Tonight, the WWE performers will do what they do better than anyone else in the world--entertain you."

Watch here: http://www.wwe.com/content/media/video/vms/ecw/2007/june22-28/4967642?section=%2F

WWE's timeline with Benoit from their end: http://www.wwe.com/inside/news/chrisbenoittimeline

6/26/2007 10:54:18 PM

yeah those text messages are fucking weird

6/26/2007 11:27:09 PM

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"6 <----5000"

Way to make it count, buddy.

6/26/2007 11:33:00 PM

haha w00t

6/27/2007 12:00:51 AM

Does anyone blame the WWE for showing the tribute stuff?

6/27/2007 12:04:42 AM

He texted a bunch of people his address and nobody thought to actually go to the house?

6/27/2007 12:19:36 AM

I think it was kind of stupid. It wasn't a cut and dry car accident or anything... it was an unsolved crime scene with sketch details. IMO, they should've cancelled RAW altogether, waited to get all the facts, and then acted accordingly.

6/27/2007 12:21:10 AM

They're in the business of wrestling, not investigation. They had an opportunity to do something to show their support as well as some old school footage, so they did. I don't expect my District Attorney to lay down a people's elbow, so I don't expect my wrestlers to follow any due diligence in regard to investigating.

6/27/2007 12:37:15 AM

^^^ They were in Texas, he was in Georgia. The WWE called the local cops to go to the house as a courtesy call.

^^ They did cancel Raw. USA was not going to show a black screen for 3 hours on primetime Monday night with 2 hours lead time though. McMahon was screwed with any decision he did as I stated above IMO.

[Edited on June 27, 2007 at 12:39 AM. Reason : .]

6/27/2007 12:38:19 AM

Yeah maybe... but it kind of sucks people had to sit through "he was the best guy in the world" crap. They could've reaired last week's RAW, some kind of highlight video, or even just old Benoit matches wouldn't have been that bad. It was all the personal emotional stuff that actually made me feel sorry for the guy that pisses me off.

6/27/2007 12:46:22 AM

people had to sit through it when he still was "the best guy in the world"


before 10:30 no one had any idea what happened and i guarantee you people weren't sitting there watching tv saying, "i bet he killed them all"

6/27/2007 12:59:07 AM

As I said in the Sports Talk thread, this is the wrestling equivalent of someone like Brett Favre committing these acts...it's out of left field, because he was professional and respectable above all else. No matter how awful the situation is, it's going to be more perplexing than anything to the people who cared about Benoit.

Anyway, it was nice of Elijah Burke and CM Punk to throw in a Benoit/Malenko pinning and bridge combination at the end of their match tonight.

6/27/2007 2:08:19 AM

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"Benoit's Son May Have Suffered From Fragile X Syndrome Posted by Ashish on 06.27.2007 Plus a possible explanation for the killings... More news continues to fly in regarding the Chris Benoit double murder-suicide.... - A woman claiming to have been a friend of the Benoit family told News 1130 in Vancouver that Benoit's son suffered from Fragile X syndrome but that they had decided to keep the disease secret. The following description of Fragile X syndrome is from Wikipedia. "Aside from intellectual disability (mental retardation), prominent characteristics of the syndrome include an elongated face, large or protruding ears, flat feet, larger testicals in men (macroorchidism), and low muscle tone. Behavioral characteristics may include stereotypic movements (e.g., hand-flapping) and atypical social development, particularly shyness and limited eye contact. Some individuals with the fragile X syndrome also meet the diagnostic criteria for autism. While full mutation males tend to present with severe intellectual disability, the symptomology of full mutation females runs the gamut of minimally affected to severe intellectual disability, which may explain why females are underdiagnosed relative to males." The woman stated that the disease is very hard for families to deal with because there is not much help and support for it. This may explain why Benoit's son was being injected with human growth hormones. It should be noted that the woman's story and her status as a friend of the Benoit family has not been confirmed by the Associated Press or any other national media outlet. "

nullhttp://www.411mania.com/wrestling/news/56350/Benoit//s-Son-May-Have-Suffered-From-Fragile-X-Syndrome.htm

6/27/2007 7:29:16 AM

jesus, this just keeps getting crazier

6/27/2007 7:50:42 AM

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"Last night on Monday Night Raw, the WWE presented a special tribute show, recognizing the career of Chris Benoit. However, now some 26 hours later, the facts of this horrific tragedy are now apparent. Therefore, other than my comments, there will be no mention of Mr. Benoit tonight. On the contrary, tonight's show will be dedicated to everyone who has been affected by this terrible incident. This evening marks the first step of the healing process. Tonight, the WWE performers will do what they do better than anyone else in the world--entertain you."

Yeah, I watched WWECW last night, and by the tone that Vince conveyed in that message, he's obviously ready to move on from the situation now that the facts are starting to come out. I hope that they scrap the total McMahon death angle totally, which is what the WWE has done. They can keep some of the other angles going (i.e. Batista losing his chance to ever face Edge while Edge has the strap).

As far as this Benoit thing, yes, this has been totally bizarre. It's hard to wrap around still. I remember yesterday I posted the whole "R.I.P." Chris Benoit thing, and I got some negative feedback. Well, as more facts started to roll in, and when I had more time to think about it, it's been really disappointing, sad, and made me a little angry (just like a lot of you here). Chris Benoit, the wrestler, I respect all the things he did in his career. He was a competitor, and he was one of the last great technical wrestlers in professional wrestling.

As far as Chris Benoit, the person, I definitely understand all of the sentiment towards him. I think something that gets lost is how the rest of the Benoit family is taking this right now, and I know everyone's condolences are going out to them in this time of need.

6/27/2007 9:48:17 AM

FUCK BENOIT. HE KILLED HIS FUCKING FAMILY, INCLUDING HIS 7 YEAR OLD SON.

I HAVE NOTHING BUT HATE FOR THAT BASTARD RIGHT NOW.

FUCK BENOIT.

6/27/2007 10:30:48 AM

just remember...these arent even the original horsemen...and they're long before benoit...dont let any new school retard try to tell you benoit is a 4 horseman cause he aint shit



Arn, Ole, Ric and Tully ftmfw

6/27/2007 10:34:53 AM

^I think you're forgetting Barry Windham in that pic too.

6/27/2007 10:35:59 AM

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"these arent even the original horsemen"

windham is in there instead of Ole Anderson...couldnt find a pic of the original 4

6/27/2007 10:40:15 AM

Never even heard of this piece of trash till he died. Well atleast he finally made the news for something.

6/27/2007 10:41:59 AM

I havent watched wrestling since Stone Cold quit being a main character...shit like this makes me glad I dont watch anymore

6/27/2007 10:45:44 AM

Stunning Steve Austin lol...I remember when he won the TV title from Beautiful Bobby Eaton...back in the day

6/27/2007 10:46:40 AM

i loved when he lost the US belt to the Dragon Steamboat. that match was awesome.

6/27/2007 11:37:15 AM

i wonder how often ricky burned the shit out of his mouth

6/27/2007 11:42:35 AM

Where can I get that full color pinup of Hacksaw Jim Duggan???

6/27/2007 11:58:04 AM

^that's what I'm saying

6/27/2007 12:51:15 PM

http://msn.foxsports.com/other/story/6964262?MSNHPHMA

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"Ravishing Rick Rude — Died at 40 of an apparent heart attack in 1999, a bottle of prescription pills for his bad back at his side. The autopsy report said he died of "mixed medications." Rude was an admitted user of anabolic steroids. Louis Mucciolo, a.k.a, Louie Spicolli — Died in 1998 at age 27 when he suffocated on his own vomit after ingesting massive amounts of Soma and alcohol. Investigators also found an empty vial of testosterone, pain pills and an anti-anxiety drug at the scene. Brian Pillman — An admitted user of steroids, he died of a heart attack at age 35 in 1997 on the morning of WWF's In Your House: Badd Blood pay-per-view event. Rick "the Renegade" Williams — Died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound at age 33 after being released from his World Championship Wrestling contract in 1999. "Mr. Perfect" Curt Hennig — Found dead of a cocaine overdose at age 44 in his motel room on April 10, 2003, the morning of a match. Hennig's father maintained that steroids and painkillers contributed to his death. Rodney "Yokozuna" Anoa'i — Died of a heart attack in 2002 at 34. Davey Boy Smith, "The British Bulldog" — Died of a heart attack at age 39 on May 17, 2002. An autopsy report indicated that past steroid use had likely played a part in his death. Michael "Road Warrior Hawk" Hegstrand — An admitted steroid user, he died of a heart attack at age 46 in 2003. Michael Lockwood, "Crash Holly" — In 2003, at the age of 32, he choked to death on his own vomit after ingesting 90 painkiller pills. Jerry Tuite, "The Wall" a.k.a. "Malice" — Died at age 36 in 2003 of an apparent heart attack in his hotel room. Raymond "Hercules" Hernandez — Dead of heart failure in 2004 at age 47. Ray "The Big Boss Man" Traylor — Found dead of a heart attack in 2004 at age 42. Eddie Guerrero — After a long battle with painkillers, he was found dead of a heart attack by his nephew in his hotel room at age 38. The first person his nephew reportedly called was Guerrero's best friend, Chris Benoit. Chris Candido — Died in 2005 at age 33 from a blood clot after breaking his tibia and fibula and dislocating his ankle in a pay-per-view event. Owen Hart — Fell to his death at age 34 in 1999 when the rigging that was lowering him into the ring malfunctioned. And then there's the story of the Von Erich wrestling family. Wrestling patriarch Fritz Von Erich, nee Jack Adkisson, had five wrestling sons: Kevin, David, Kerry, Mike and Chris. David died in a hotel room in Tokyo at the age of 25 in 1984 just as he was embarking on a three-week pro wrestling tour of Japan. The official cause of death was acute enteritis, severe inflammation of the intestines. Three years later, Mike committed suicide by overdosing on the tranquilizer Placidyl at the age of 23. After David's death, Mike had suffered a series of setbacks including a serious shoulder injury that had left him severely depressed. advertisement STORY TOOLS: print send blog RSS LIKE THIS STORY? Devastated by the deaths of his older brothers and frustrated by his own limitations as a wrestler, the youngest and smallest brother, Chris, shot himself to death at the age of 21 in 1991. Two years later, Kerry, who had battled a long addiction to painkillers, died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound at the age of 33, leaving eldest brother Kevin as the only survivor of the sport that had defined his family. And now Chris Benoit, his wife and son have been added to the long, unbearably sad list of victims claimed, in part, by the brutal chemical calculus that is professional wrestling. There is no arguing that the physical capabilities of these massive men can provide awesome theater. When Hulk Hogan lifted the 500-pound Andre the Giant and dropped him to the canvas, it was legitimately hugely thrilling. But keep in mind there is a price these impossibly engorged specimens are paying for your entertainment. And the price for many of them is their very lives. "

Crazy to read about all the young deaths in wrestling. I knew about Mr. Perfect and Owen Hart, but damn.

6/27/2007 12:55:04 PM

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" Rodney "Yokozuna" Anoa'i — Died of a heart attack in 2002 at 34. Davey Boy Smith, "The British Bulldog" — Died of a heart attack at age 39 on May 17, 2002. An autopsy report indicated that past steroid use had likely played a part in his death. Michael "Road Warrior Hawk" Hegstrand — An admitted steroid user, he died of a heart attack at age 46 in 2003. "

honestly had no idea .... i wondered what happened to all three of them

6/27/2007 1:08:25 PM

^ Yokozuna's heart could not support his weight IIRC. The man couldn't have taken steroids just cause he never looked close to being "ripped".

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"Anoa'i eventually died from his significant weight on October 22, 2000. He was 34 years old, and weighed almost 600 pounds."

[Edited on June 27, 2007 at 1:14 PM. Reason : .]

6/27/2007 1:13:30 PM

yeah there are some names on there that I didnt know were even dead

wow

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"Yokozuna: From the AWA to the top Yokozuna as WWF World champ in 1993. By CHRIS SCHRAMM -- For SLAM! Wrestling 'Lose the weight or leave wrestling.' Vince McMahon feared for the worse when he fired Yokozuna from the ring following Survivor Series 1996. Yokozuna never returned for the WWF, and now he never will. He was found dead at the age of 38 (his official age dated from a 1996 WWF publication) on Monday in Liverpool, England. A man, who was Rodney Anoia outisde the ring, had just celebrated his birthday on October 2. A former WWF World champion, few recall his days before the WWF. He wrestled throughout Japan and Mexico, but he was in front of a camera for the first time was while working for Verne Gagne in the AWA. There he was managed by Sheik Adnan Al-Kaissie and was known as Kokina Maximus. Then he did not hide his Samoan background, even claiming to be from Samoa. He weighed in under 400 pounds, and used the Samoan drop as his finishing manoeuver. He had little success in his short stay there. The AWA folded, and Yokozuna had to find a new place to work. He worked outside the United States until late 1992. The WWF contacted him through word of former WWF employees Afa, uncle to Yokozuna. Vince McMahon brought him in under a new persona. The name Yokozuna was introduced, and he was to hail from Japan. Mr. Fuji managed Yokozuna, and Yokozuna's size told the story. Played off to be a sumo wrestler, size was Yokozuna's only opponent in most matches. He often had more trouble moving than wrestling. His determination built him into main event matches within months of his debut. He won the Royal Rumble in 1993, and he was on his way to winning the World title at Wrestlemania. Vince McMahon had Hulk Hogan's next enemy. Hogan had wrestled many foreign enemies during his WWF stay, and now it was time to fight a Japanese wrestler. The fans hated Yokozuna, and they cheered for Hogan's American values. Yokozuna's first WWF World title reign was short. It lasted just minutes. Mr. Fuji, who was not only Yokozuna's manager but also his spokesman, challenged Hogan following Yokozuna's victory over Bret Hart. Hogan accepted and defeated Yokozuna. The match led to the first King of the Ring pay per view, and Hogan's final match with the WWF. Yokozuna won the belt in one of the most controversial matches ever in the WWF. A Japanese photgrapher was planted at ringside. Hogan was hit by fire coming from the cameraman's camera. The angle never fully developed because of Hogan's departure. It was a time to celebrate for Yokozuna. He set the 4th of July as a day to celebrate. He picked an American monument to celebrate. The show on the U.S.S. Intrepid saw Yokozuna find a new challenger chasing for his crown. Lex Luger bodyslammed Yokozuna and set off a feud that would last a year. But Yokozuna was too mighty. He held the title until Wrestlemania where he finally dropped it to Bret Hart. He had little success left in his career. His weight became a major concern in the ring. Many wrestlers refused to wrestle him based on his size and his inability to move. Also, Yokozuna's stamina was weakening. He was no longer able to wrestle long singles matches. Vince McMahon began to place Yokozuna with tag team partners. Yokozuna's partners would do most of the work. He was teamed with such wrestlers as Crush before finding a true partner in Owen Hart. The unusual team held the WWF Tag Team titles for a series of months in 1995. It was not soon after his tag team loss that Yokozuna began to show signs of becoming a fan favourite. Now managed by Jim Cornette and Mr. Fuji, Yokozuna was hoping for a World title shot. Vince McMahon saw light when Vader entered the WWF in early 1996. Yokozuna soon dumped his managers, began to speak in a clear English voice and became a fan favourite. On April 1, 1996 he was in the middle of a feud with Vader that left Yokozuna on the worse end. During a match between the two, Vader jumped hard onto the leg of Yokozuna. The splash was shown on television as a leg break, but it was performed to allow Yokouna to lose weight. The forklift that carried Yokozuna out on that edition of RAW was real. It was the only way to move a man of Yokozuna's size. He did not return until Summerslam 1996, where he faced Steve Austin. Austin was just breaking into his "Stone Cold" character, and Yokozuna had not been seen for months. Yokozuna went for his final Banzai drop onto Austin when the ring ropes gave out. Austin got the easy win. Yokozuna was kept on the WWF roster for months following his last ring appearance at the Survivor Series where he was put in a mid-card match. Yokozuna went to his home in Los Angeles to lose weight through exercise and dieting. He lost a lot of weight, but could not lose enough for the WWF standards. His weight had become too massive for movement in the ring. An inmobile man in the ring left for often sluggish matches with little movement. The WWF released him. He was not allowed to wrestle in many states because of his size. The WWF had reported that he had to get around 400 pounds before they would take him back. Yokozuna dropped over a 100 pounds, but his 600-pound frame was still too massive. He just could not lose anymore. Stories were always told about his eating habits. One sitting of a three dozen eggs, a jug of orange juice, a pound of bacon and a couple stacks of pancakes was one story told. He checked into a dietitian frequently, but he made little progress. Padding in his tights made him bigger when he first entered the WWF, but the padding was not needed at the end of his career. The 6'4" Yokozuna did not have much to look forward too after the WWF. He did a few independent appearances over the next couple of years. Rumors of his return to the WWF or the WCW never developed. He was not able to wrestle in many states due to his size. His last appearance on television came at a Heroes of Wrestling event in 1999. Once again involved in a tag team match, Yokozuna did not even step into the ring. He was brought in as a draw, but he was not physically able to wrestle."

[Edited on June 27, 2007 at 1:49 PM. Reason : >.<]

6/27/2007 1:41:27 PM

^ Steroids don't necessarily make you ripped. They just get you BIG. Zuna probably wasn't on it though, but who knows.

6/27/2007 1:50:12 PM

remember when Lex Luger body slammed Yokozuna on the aircraft carrier. hahaha good memories

i'm suprised luger and scott steiner haven't bit the bullet, but i'm sure they will.


And i remember very clearly when Davey Boy Smith died. for the longest while they thought foul play was involved.

6/27/2007 1:57:30 PM

Luger was with Miss Elizabeth when she had her fatal cocaine overdose, btw

6/27/2007 3:52:11 PM

^ I was in love with Ms. Elizabeth, I would have fought macho man to the death.


III

6/27/2007 4:05:55 PM

Scott Steiner cracks me up. I remember when he was in the steiner brothers he was a body builder, but he wasn't a beast really. When he became "Big Poppa Pump" and those freaking biceps were just absolutely absurd. I heard at one point they got too heavy for his bones and ones of them became disconnected or something. All those steroids man.

Kinda how Bonds wasn't that huge when he first started out, and then just blew up.

6/27/2007 4:22:55 PM

yeah didnt he have to change his finishing move from the frankensteiner to something else that didnt require as much leaping agility?

6/27/2007 4:24:15 PM

^^ When Steiner was with Buff Bagwell opening up WCW Nitro "back in the day", I remember the crowd used to chant "Sterrrrrrrrr-roids!" at him.

6/27/2007 4:32:33 PM

^^He used to do the Frankensteiner, which was basically a hurricanrana (sp?) I think...then he had to just do the Steiner Recliner, which was just some stupid submission hold...he may have always done the Recliner, but at least he would do it after the Frankensteiner

[Edited on June 27, 2007 at 4:46 PM. Reason : b]

6/27/2007 4:35:17 PM

Before:



After:

6/27/2007 4:41:59 PM

yeah the Steiner Brothers (first picture) and Road Warriors/Legion of Doom were my two favorite tag teams back in the day

I guess Rick Steiner and Animal are still alive

6/27/2007 4:45:27 PM

Disgusting good god

6/27/2007 4:46:54 PM

Scott Steiner just got injured in a wrestling ring btw. Rick Steiner and Animal are still alive.

Animal's son is a starting linebacker for Ohio State (James Laurinaitis).

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"Scott Steiner suffered an injury to his throat at the TNA House Show in San Juan, Puerto Rico on Sunday, June 3, 2007. Steiner took a kick to the throat from Apolo in a tag team match that saw Steiner team with James Storm against Jeff Jarrett and Apolo. Steiner was scheduled to undergo trachea surgery on Monday, June 4, 2007 in San Juan. It should be noted that he seemed fine after the match, but at 2:00am he was starting to have trouble breathing and was then rushed to the hospital. There is no estimate on how long he will be out of the ring for until after surgery, but the early word is that he won't be back in the ring for a while."

6/27/2007 5:06:15 PM

damn...get well soon, Dogfaced Gremlin

6/27/2007 5:09:57 PM