^^^ that was a good read about that scene. If Chigurh was in the room, he definitely would of killed Bell. He literally killed every character in the movie he came into contact with, with the exceptions of the lady who wouldn't tell him where Moss worked, the first hotel attendant, and the guy who he asked, Do you see me? (he may have killed him afterwards though). So I think the explanation that the Chigurh's image was his imagination is the only explanation.

3/24/2008 9:49:40 PM

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"by more random thugs."

Random thugs?

Those were the same group of mexican gangsters that have been pursuing him, in addition to Chigurh, since he went back to the scene of the original killings.

There was nothing random about it.

3/24/2008 11:07:19 PM

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"Like Scrumples, I also found it disappointing that when Llewellyn was killed, it was done off-camera by more random thugs. It's unfulfilling to the viewer (or at least it was to me) since we've spent the entire movie following him around, watching him claw to survive every lousy situation, only to just find him dead at the hands of no one of importance. While I thought it was an above average movie, I thought that did it a great disservice. Here's a character you've built up wonderfully, made the viewer sympathize with, and then you just kill him off."

I think you need to go watch the movie again. You obviously didn't pay too close attention the first go round.

3/24/2008 11:10:22 PM

Just saw this for the first time tonight. WOW.

When the screen went black at the end, at first I was like

But then, after processing it for a while, I was like

The ending was pretty sweet.

3/24/2008 11:47:53 PM

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" Granted, that's how it would happen in real life. It's not meant to be cinematic. It's meant to be real. Just I guess it's too cliche to give any sort of gratification. Maybe they feel like they only want a more intelligent audience to enjoy/understand it.. so they won't spell everything out for you, and that's fine i guess. But it is anticlimactic. You can't argue that."

wait wait wait.

are you saying the ending was cliche?

funny joke, tell me another.

3/25/2008 12:25:16 AM

No... I think he was saying that an ending where the audience got some kind of gratification would've been too cliche.

I give the movie an 8/10. Acting was pretty damn good IMO and the hotel scene confused me a bit too. As far as the ending was concerned, I didn't like it. If I had gone into it thinking it would be this intellectually stimulating, you-fill-in-the-blanks type of film, I may have reacted differently to the ending. But it wasn't advertised that way. The trailers showed explosions, gun fights, etc. so I was in the mindset of "action film." I don't go to "action" films to be stimulated by metaphors and imagery. I go to be entertained with action and other adrenaline-inducing stuff, not feel afterwards like I just went through the analogies section of the SAT. So I figure my expectations were just not in line with the type of movie it turned out to be.

But to call people idiots because they feel different about something that is objective in the first place ... is kind of pointless. Until the Coen Brothers come out and say, "Hey people, this is what the ending was about..." everyone is speculating anyway.

3/25/2008 2:19:03 AM

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"But to call people idiots because they feel different about something that is objective in the first place"

haha

3/25/2008 7:42:42 AM

lollers

3/25/2008 8:00:09 AM

^^ haha

3/25/2008 8:32:55 AM

After you watch it for the second time, it's hard to imagine any scenario other than TLJ thinking that Chigurh is behind the door, because he obviously wasn't. I don't see why people are having such a hard time with this.

3/25/2008 8:50:23 AM

the first time I saw it, I thought for sure Chirgurh was behind the door...but after watching it again

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"When he opens the door though, he doesn't halfass it, he pushes it until it hits the wall. Given Chigurh's size, there's no way he could've still been behind the door"

I thought the same thing.

^so are you saying that it was all in Bells head? that when the other cop told him about chirgurh goin back to the crimescenes TLJ was just wishful thinking?

3/25/2008 9:48:01 AM

^ I was the same way, when I first saw it I wasn't sure. But I saw the movie again, and after reading the blog StillFuschia posted, I'm sure that Chigurh was in Bell's imagination. There's no way he could've fit behind the door!

The other sheriff was right about Chigurh returning to the crime scene - the money was missing in the hotel room and the grate had been opened with a dime. He had been back, he just left before Bell got there.

And for everyone who says Chigurh was in the other hotel room, you're wrong. The doorknob was on the opposite side in the other room, so in the other room Chigurh couldn't have been facing the way he was.

http://www.ericdsnider.com/blog/2008/01/08/more-no-country-for-old-men-questions-and-answers/

3/25/2008 11:06:37 AM

He was definitely there, just not at the same time as TLJ

3/25/2008 2:43:14 PM

^No fucking way, are you serious?

3/25/2008 2:43:52 PM

I'm totally serious. It was all in his head. When they show him, he's clearly behind the door. But when TLJ opens the door, he's clearly not. Then, he goes to the bathroom, window is shut. Sits on the bed and sees that the grate had been opened, thus he took the money and left. If he was in the room, what happened to him?

3/25/2008 2:51:10 PM

I was being sarcastic, I thought that was obvious. Nobody is questioning whether or not he was ever in the room, just if he was in the room at the same time.

3/25/2008 2:57:53 PM

and that's exactly what I answered. or did you not see that?

also, when I said "he was definitely there" I meant that he was definitely behind THAT door at THAT time. Not in another room as previously mentioned. It just so happened it was in TLJ's head and not irl

[Edited on March 25, 2008 at 3:11 PM. Reason : .]

3/25/2008 2:59:40 PM

What the hell are you talking about?

You are making absolutely no sense what so ever.

3/25/2008 3:14:08 PM

quit trolling asshole

3/25/2008 3:21:05 PM

I'm not trolling. Just because someone is questioning what the hell you are saying doesn't mean they are trolling.

3/25/2008 3:33:42 PM

no, you were trolling me when I answered that first person's question and you're still trolling.

HE WASN'T IN THE ROOM AT THE SAME TIME AS TLJ.

that cool?

3/25/2008 3:35:10 PM

You had it worded all differently a few posts up in the one you edited it. Thats why I was confused at the time.

And yes, I suppose I was trolling a little when I called you out on this

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"He was definitely there, just not at the same time as TLJ"

Because you posted it acting like you were resolving something when nobody has ever questioned whether he had ever been in the room.

[Edited on March 25, 2008 at 3:39 PM. Reason : .]

3/25/2008 3:38:02 PM

If you would've read the post from the person I was responding to, they were addressing the question of TLJ being in the OTHER room. That's why I said what I said

[Edited on March 25, 2008 at 5:57 PM. Reason : .]

3/25/2008 5:56:33 PM

stop pooping up the thread

3/25/2008 6:02:23 PM

This movie lacks a really good catchphrase like I DRINK YOUR MILKSHAKE

3/25/2008 10:23:48 PM

"Call it."

3/25/2008 11:17:55 PM

"Friendo"

3/25/2008 11:48:03 PM

My favorite parts of the movie were the reflections that Ed Tom had. I say reflections because in the book thats what they are. The Coens weaved his reflections into the movie through his dialog with others, except for the very beginning of the movie.

3/26/2008 12:05:54 AM

"What business is it of yours ___________________________?"

3/26/2008 12:10:39 AM

Hmm. Just saw this one, myself. I figured out pretty quickly that this was going to be a think-piece, so having Llewellyn killed off-screen was possibly the most disappointing thing they could have done, but I understood it when it happened.
I like how we don't know for sure if Chirgurh kills the wife or not. Guessing he doesn't, due to the lack of loud bang, but it's up in the air. And there isn't a nice poetic justice of this supposedly bad man dying, just getting fucked up, and disappearing again. I like it most because it wasn't all neat and wrapped up at the end, I guess.

3/26/2008 2:45:59 AM

^I'd say Chirgurh def kills the wife...there's no way he would let her live, the only way he would is if she called the coin correctly, and by her refusing to call it, that tells you she is goin to die. also, chirgurh checks his shoes when he leaves the house, presumably for blood.

3/26/2008 7:29:56 AM

she be dead

3/26/2008 9:57:29 AM

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"Guessing he doesn't, due to the lack of loud bang,"

You mean from the silencer on the air gun??

3/26/2008 10:38:39 AM

she's dead

dead dead dead

3/26/2008 11:13:46 AM

^^well the airgun is silent, and he has a silencer on his shotgun

3/26/2008 11:39:51 AM

Its amazing how many people think the air thing has a silencer on it.

3/26/2008 12:04:52 PM

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"Its amazing how many people think the air thing has a silencer on it."

It was a sarcastic response to a guy who said that he didn't think the wife was death because there was no loud bang.

He killed people with an air gun and a shotgun with a huge silencer on it. He never made any loud noises when he "shot" people.

That being said...I had never seen a silencer on a shot-gun before. That thing was huge. Being about as far from a gun expert as you could possible be...do they really make silencers for shotguns or was it something that he made himself??

3/26/2008 12:35:16 PM

I agree, I dont think I have ever seen a silencer on a shotgun in any movie before.

Shotgun silencer http://www.sai.dk/index.php

[Edited on March 26, 2008 at 12:41 PM. Reason : .]

3/26/2008 12:40:01 PM

yea, i had never seen a shotgun silencer before either...I'd imagine its was something he masde himself-makes him seem more profesional and badass

3/27/2008 8:30:35 AM

The book briefly describes how the shotgun silencer was made, and it was made by Chigurh

3/27/2008 8:43:51 AM

OK, good movie but I have a few probably basic questions. I have scanned the thread but I don't believe they have yet been answered.

1. Why does Moss do that crap with hiding the money in the vent and switching hotel rooms? As far as I could tell, he had no reason to believe that anyone knew where he was (he didn't know about the transponder at that point). Plus..... what is the point of putting it in a vent, getting a second motel room, and pulling it thru?

2. How did Wells know where the money was, and why didn't he get it once he found it?

3. How did Wells know where to find Moss? Also how did Chigurh in turn know how to find Wells?

4/10/2008 3:40:21 PM

^He got the second motel room b/c he knew that they were onto him(when he comes back to the motel in the cab and he tells the driver to keep driving and not to stop)...thus getting a room oppostie his old room which enabled him to access the same vent and pull out the money.

4/10/2008 4:55:46 PM

I suppose.... it just amazes me that he had the forthought to do that when he really didn't seem too bright, and he was in his mind, completely anonymous.

4/10/2008 5:02:51 PM

umm,the mexicans found his truck in the desert (and chased him) when he went back that first night. he was not anonymous.

4/10/2008 5:24:59 PM

Right, but unless I missed something... nobody knew he actually went to that hotel.

4/10/2008 5:39:29 PM

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"he really didn't seem too bright"

I thought he came off as pretty fucking smart real early in the movie. The dumbest thing he did was go back to the trucks to give water to the mexicans...but that was more of a moral issue than intelligence issue.

4/10/2008 5:39:39 PM

just saw it tonight. it was.... alright.

5/12/2008 12:27:16 AM

I turned it off after 20 minutes... but I was drunk at the time.

I still have it via netflix.. should I watch it?

5/12/2008 12:30:09 AM

just burn a copy and watch it later

5/12/2008 12:39:19 AM

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"should I watch it?"

yep

5/12/2008 8:52:28 AM