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10/28/2007 8:47:48 PM

What about Vince Young? He threw for 42 yards....that's like Mario going 6 games without a sack. Young has played awful this year and I want the trolls to come in and admit it.

10/28/2007 8:48:02 PM

Vince Young is a shitty Mike Vick. Look up what Vick did his sophomore season...

Bush, on the other hand, is showing he can be a feature back and if they gave him a full compliment of runs each game he would be a Top 10 back overall in the league...

10/28/2007 8:57:19 PM

Mario got his 4th sack of the season today. He's almost got what he had last year already, and is on track to end the season with 8. Not mind blowing, but would be a definite improvement and decent.

10/29/2007 1:37:56 AM

THEY'RE MINI BURGERS

10/29/2007 8:30:24 AM

He sacked Rivers! That's blasphemy!

10/29/2007 5:02:10 PM

A sack and a forced fumble. Harrassed Brees all game.

11/18/2007 7:25:49 PM

bush was shitty, too

11/18/2007 7:42:44 PM

haha, 27 touches and Bush only gets 104 yds with a fumble. nice

gg Mario. 5 sacks on the season now

11/18/2007 10:56:02 PM

I think they are giving Bush too many carries, this isn't college where USC O-line opens holes the size of Texas and Bush just out run everybody and score TDs. Reggie is not a power runner, he relies on his speed and shifting ability and that is not going to cut it in the NFL.

Young is a good leader but he won't make for long, right now, he sort of has his scrambling ability to make up for his pathetic passing, but I think unless he improves his passing, he won't be able to do much with the Titans.

Mario plays with a young defense and he is improving since last year; while he is not going to be a Joe Green or Reggie White, he will be a solid player.

11/19/2007 3:13:13 AM

Personally, I'm happy to see the contributions of all three towards their teams.


Seeing the Saints(last season), Texans, and Titans getting better tells me that the NFL draft works.

11/19/2007 6:56:12 AM

on mike and mike as i was waking up stink declared that the first head to head between bush and mario was a definitive 1-0 for mario.

if you can really do a heads up like that

11/19/2007 7:58:26 AM

another sack and forced fumble for Mario today

11/25/2007 5:59:46 PM

Through Week 12:

25 solo tackles, 8 assist, 6 sacks, 2 FF, 1 pass deflection, 1 fumble return for a touchdown

That puts him in the company of the top 20-25 DEs in the league stat wise at this point. Not great, but he's certainly showing some improvement. I wouldn't call him a bust by any means.

11/26/2007 8:30:05 AM

mario with his 7th sack of the season today in the first half against Vince Young and the Titans. This makes his 3rd game in a row with a sack

12/2/2007 2:30:15 PM

another sack

2.5 on the day according to yahoo.

too bad sage rosenfels sucks my cock.

[Edited on December 2, 2007 at 4:03 PM. Reason : fhds]

12/2/2007 4:02:54 PM

that gives him 8.5 through 12 games.

12/2/2007 5:00:34 PM

Where's RoyalCocksucker to argue with us now? Reggie Bush can't even lateral a ball correctly (ala the national championship game vs Texas).

12/3/2007 1:59:06 PM

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"haha, 27 touches and Bush only gets 104 yds with a fumble."

Um, is that bad? Minus the fumble that is a relatively productive day for a back in the NFL, no? Not outstanding, but certainly not bad. I'd take that ANY week on the Jets.

Quote :

"I wouldn't call him a bust by any means."

Calling any player half way through his second season a bust is ridiculous...

Quote :

"I think they are giving Bush too many carries, this isn't college where USC O-line opens holes the size of Texas and Bush just out run everybody and score TDs. Reggie is not a power runner, he relies on his speed and shifting ability and that is not going to cut it in the NFL. "

To be fair, the Saints had their hands forced by Duece's injury. Bush, at his best and most valuable, will get about 15-17 carries a game and 6-7 receptions. He certainly has All Pro talent if they are able to use him correctly.. and I don't care if that isn't how a typical RB is used.. Bush doesn't have typical talent.


[Edited on December 3, 2007 at 2:18 PM. Reason : can't type]

12/3/2007 2:14:31 PM

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"Um, is that bad?"

Yes, last I checked 2.3 YPC and 5.8 YPR is bad, for anybody.

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"Minus the fumble that is a relatively productive day for a back in the NFL, no?"

You fail to acknowledge that half the touches were receptions. A typical average is 8 or 9 yards per catch. There is nothing productive about netting only 104 yards on 15 runs and 12 receptions.

12/3/2007 2:29:39 PM

A typical average catch for a WR... he is coming out of the backfield. I don't think it's realistic to expect him to get 8 or 9 per...

I actually didn't realize I responded to a post from a few weeks ago to be honest though...

Yesterday, he averages nearly 5 yards a carry but only got 16 touches. I'm not trying to argue he is a great NFL back... he isn't. Just that he is a lot more valuable then people on here will admit.

12/3/2007 2:39:27 PM

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"Young is a good leader but he won't make for long, right now, he sort of has his scrambling ability to make up for his pathetic passing, but I think unless he improves his passing, he won't be able to do much with the Titans. "

That sounds very familar to a Golden God who is in prison now.

12/4/2007 1:05:23 PM

Quote :

"Maybe the Texans were right after all. The Texans were laughed at, mocked and ridiculed a couple Aprils ago, when they bypassed gifted Heisman Trophy winner Reggie Bush to draft workmanlike defensive end Mario Williams with the first pick in the draft. Nothing against Williams, but this was the Trail Blazers taking Sam Bowie over Michael Jordan. Bush was a can't-miss talent, a once-in-a-lifetime player. He was going to revolutionize the running back position. Almost two full years in, the Saints are still waiting. While Williams closes in on his first Pro Bowl season in Houston -- with 8½ sacks, he trails only Jared Allen of the Chiefs among AFC defensive ends -- Bush sputters along in New Orleans, looking less and less every week like a once-in-a-lifetime player. More like the second coming of Larry Centers. "

Great article from SI.com:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/reuben_frank/12/05/texans/index.html

MOAR for those too lazy to click:

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"With four games left, Bush doesn't have a run longer than 22 yards. Trent Green, Jay Cutler, Josh McCown, Ben Roethlisberger, Donovan McNabb and Jason Campbell all have longer runs than Bush this year. And they're quarterbacks! Bush's 3.7 average is 37th out of 47 backs with 75 carries or more. OK, but Bush is electrifying catching the ball out of the backfield, right? Wrong. Despite 73 receptions, he doesn't have a catch longer than 25 yards. He's seventh in the NFL in catches but 77th in receiving yards. Incredibly, the Texans' Williams actually owns a longer play this year than Bush -- his 38-yard fumble recovery for a touchdown is longer than any run, catch or return that Bush has managed. So what's the problem? Because of his physical limitations, Bush will never be an every-down back. The Saints concede this. "It's unfair to have those expectations," Brees said. And he's such a poor blocker that teams recognize when he's running a pattern, he's probably going to get the ball, and they can adjust accordingly. Hence a 5.7 per-catch average, lowest by a back among the top 12 in catches in 63 years -- since Bob Davis of the Boston Yanks averaged 5.1 yards per reception in 1944."

[Edited on December 7, 2007 at 5:54 PM. Reason : 2]

12/7/2007 5:53:35 PM

>.<

12/7/2007 6:02:13 PM

^^ nice

But Reggie Bush has to be better - he does Subway commercials

[Edited on December 7, 2007 at 6:03 PM. Reason : ^]

12/7/2007 6:03:16 PM

[Edited on December 7, 2007 at 6:41 PM. Reason : oops]

12/7/2007 6:41:36 PM

^haha

12/7/2007 8:22:08 PM

finally someone in the media's saying it.

12/7/2007 8:28:23 PM

this is what pissed me off so much after the draft. its one thing to argue that your team maybe needed a different position more, but to argue that one guy is going to be a bust and another the 2nd coming... to compare it to sam bowie and michael jordan before they've even put on their practice uniforms for the first time? the media needs to take a lesson from this and stop painting themselves to look like idiots without a little bit of basis to put behind their comments. now we see the difference between judging draft picks immediately after a draft and waiting a season and a half to evaluate.

and to not be a hypocrite to bush, i'd still say he needs at least 1 more season to be declared a bust...and even if he never lives up to the hype, he can be an average change of pace back or slot receiver and still be pretty good. unfortunately for him, unless things change drastically for him on the field in the next year or two, he'll be considered a bust just because of all the hype the media bestowed upon him.

12/8/2007 11:41:28 AM

another sack today

12/9/2007 3:52:19 PM

his sack pretty much ended the game. Turned a 3rd and 2 into a 4th and 15

12/9/2007 3:54:13 PM

9.5 sacks on the season. Mario starting to get Pro Bowl notice.

12/9/2007 5:02:21 PM

so that makes 9.5, i guess he leads the AFC DE's right now?

[Edited on December 9, 2007 at 5:02 PM. Reason : fhds]

12/9/2007 5:02:41 PM

2nd behind Jared Allen who has 11.5.

12/9/2007 9:35:25 PM

Shawn Merriman had 2 today to get to 11.5 also. Mario Williams is tied with Vrabel for 3rd in the AFC now.

[Edited on December 10, 2007 at 1:19 AM. Reason : .]

12/10/2007 1:18:59 AM

But remember, he pretty much has to have the best season ever for a DE in order not to be considered a bust.

12/10/2007 1:40:54 AM

He's gotta turn into Chuck Norris

12/10/2007 2:08:40 AM

merriman and vrabel arent DE's though, so he doesnt have to compete with them for a pro bowl spot.

12/10/2007 4:49:40 AM

exactly, bush would/will be relatively successful when and only when paired with a diesel back like Duce. this frees him up to run routes even when it's a run play to duce or run around the end when PAing off of a handoff up the middle.

by himself he's mediocre. in the right situation only is he worth a #2 pick. in all others 2nd-3rd round at best... so, bust for all intents and purposes.

12/10/2007 1:29:03 PM

^reggie bush thread?

12/10/2007 2:20:44 PM

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/peter_king/12/11/mmqbte/index.html

Good article.

12/11/2007 9:38:27 PM

They mentioned Mario deserving an apology from the media for trashing him before he even took the field today on PTI. Kornheiser even admitted that he was in the wrong.

12/11/2007 9:50:53 PM

This was a comment from a PP premium poster in the Mario thread...

Quote :

"I met Filip Filipovic this past weekend - he was a punter for the Texans the year that Mario was drafted. Said that he though he was a backup punter, Mario was a complete gentleman towards him. That says it all to me..."

12/11/2007 11:10:42 PM

you guys want a laugher?? Dwight Freeney is the leading vote getter at Defensive End for the AFC Pro Bowl. His stats??

21 tackles, 3.5 sacks in 9 games played.

Mario has 46 tackles and 9.5 sacks in 13 games played.

12/12/2007 12:23:59 AM

Name recognition is more valuable than stats or game impact, especially for linemen.

12/12/2007 2:09:48 AM

about to talk about him on ATH after the commercial

12/12/2007 5:11:53 PM

^Beat me to it.

[Edited on December 12, 2007 at 5:19 PM. Reason : .]

12/12/2007 5:12:30 PM

REALLY

12/12/2007 5:14:41 PM

^^ if by taking stuff back you mean that they all still think that he wasnt the right #1 pick, then yes, they took it back

12/12/2007 5:17:19 PM

i missed it, but i guess none of them wanted to apologize.

12/12/2007 5:17:28 PM