unfortunately, i gotta say, this splitting-hairs over whether or not the people rode the wolfline is seriously weak and really makes the whole argument look bad, regardless of its legitimacy

10/11/2007 1:49:41 PM

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"is anyone willing to bet the only thing to come from this is signs that are more strict? "

Sad, but most likely true.

10/11/2007 2:09:55 PM

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"the answer to your own question is on page 4 of your thread posted by Smath74 "

i saw that but i did not see anything about having to state the tow truck company and number.

10/11/2007 3:12:40 PM

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"unfortunately, i gotta say, this splitting-hairs over whether or not the people rode the wolfline is seriously weak and really makes the whole argument look bad, regardless of its legitimacy"

why did food lion put up such vague signs if they weren't specifically what they meant them to be?

10/11/2007 5:40:06 PM

there is no way for them to distinguish other non-customers from wolfline riders. they put up the sign that read that way because they knew that the only noncustomers parking there, and taking up ALL of the spaces earlier in the semester were riding the wolfline. if the people attending this party parked there while the foodlion was still open or getting ready to close then if i were a manager i'd see the cars parked out there as cars from wolfline riders who rode the bus earlier and will be returning later that night. if they don't enforce the signs then people will just start parking there again and take up all the customer parking.

10/11/2007 5:48:04 PM

the wolfline does not run anywhere NEAR that late.

10/11/2007 6:14:38 PM

http://www2.acs.ncsu.edu/trans/transportation/wolfline/images/Fall/Werewolf.pdf

seems to imply the wolfline runs till 2:30 AM

And is the world seriously that fucked up that we need signs to tell us that private property is private property?

[Edited on October 11, 2007 at 6:38 PM. Reason : hgk]

10/11/2007 6:37:03 PM

here comes the moronic babblers again.

^ + ^^^ I hope both of you get torn out of your car at gunpoint by a guy named antonio who carjacks you. Police will later find your auto completely stripped and you will cry like a little school girl

10/11/2007 7:00:01 PM

I'm going to get a bumper sticker that says it's against the law to carjack me, so I won't have anything to work about.

10/11/2007 7:03:57 PM

^^Don't WARN them motherfucker

10/11/2007 7:21:13 PM

Touchy much? Look the sign clearly point out that it's not a public lot (hence the restriction on wolfline riders). Anyone with a bit of common sense would infer that food lion doesn't have an employee dedicated to ensuring that every person that gets out of their car is getting on the wolfline and that if one is not intending on being a customer of food lion, that one should park on the outer perimiter.

You can argue that food lion, being a business does not have the same private property rights that you or I have, and you would be right when the business is open to the public. When a business is not open to the public, it is private property just like your home or mine. When a buisiness is open during it's normal hours, even if the door is closed, you may open it and step inside and you are not tresspassing until you've been asked to leave. But when a business is closed, even if the door is unlocked, if you enter you are tresspassing. If anything, the fact that food lion was closed hurts your argument more than helps it.

It's also worth pointing out that none of the laws posted specify wording in which a lot must be declared private. It's certainly reasonable to argue that the sign posted is enough to indicate the lot is private.

[Edited on October 11, 2007 at 7:26 PM. Reason : sdg]

10/11/2007 7:22:24 PM

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"Nah, I ain't pass the bar but i know a little bit Enough that you won't illegally tow my shit"

-JAYZ

10/11/2007 7:46:34 PM

your stupid Hur

10/11/2007 7:51:11 PM

okkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk

i'm stupid b.c a commercial business unethically and illegally towed a bunch of cars; contrary to the actual policy they display at the store.

10/11/2007 8:07:53 PM

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"your stupid Hur"

10/11/2007 8:08:04 PM

Their posted policy seems to be that their private lot is private. The problem here seems to be that your friends needed that spelled out explicitly and that they don't have contact info posted. Neither of which means it was unethical or illegal for them to tow the cars.

10/11/2007 8:18:51 PM

You aren't going to see a dime back from this, because Food Lion (who does not own the lot), Ace Towing who enforces towing in the lot, and the property management company all:

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"I would hate to argue with someone who knows all the property and towing laws in Wake county"

Retain people like this for exactly this kind of thing. The only thing that could possibly come from this is that no non-customer or non-employee will be allowed to park there at any time. Furthermore, go take a look at the red Ace Towing sign on the left side entrance to the store (posted outside the building at the entrance to the lot and probably meeting all the legal requirements. Furthermore, it's very difficult to prove that they weren't simply towing what they reasonably believed were abandoned cars, broken down cars, etc. which is all either legal or quasi-leqal enough that you will still lose.

You can personally thank me for the wolfline parking that has been allowed in the past, the current management is less nice about this kind of thing and I don't blame them one bit given the massive abuses by students.

Take it as a lesson learned and move on.

10/11/2007 8:46:27 PM

^ i think you guys need the property lawyer; i'm no expert but i'm almost cetain and too lazy to go through the statues but its private property does not fly since Food Lion is a commercial retail business that has to follow certain procedures. You are welcome to consult your lawyers and refute. When you are a commercial business stuff like

-handicaps parking passes
- exit signs
- no lava pits
- you can not prohibit black people
-etc
you have to follow. So it easy to see that something like towing is an issue not as simple as OMG COLLEGE KIDS LETS TOW. they have to follow procedure and have a sign according to regulation.

I would love for any of you to open of your own businesses and follow your "ITS OUR PRIVATE PROPERTY AND CAN DO WHATEVER THE FUCK I LIKE" attitude and see how long it takes your business to get shut down by the gov't or go under b.c the customer population hates u

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"You aren't going to see a dime back from this, because Food Lion (who does not own the lot), Ace Towing who enforces towing in the lot, and the property management company all: "

i guess btw you missed the last few pages where the discussion on how Food Lion broke the law was supported by links to raleigh and NC ordinances and general statues. Good job retard you should hang your keyboard and end your "desk law" profession b.c you do not know jack shit.

My mission from posting this has been accomplished.
-I was pointed toward credible links on raleigh ordainces and NC towing law.
- Got other users opinions
- Learned that a lot of u guys are retarded self-righteous bastards.
- gave me something to entertain myself at work while bored
- learned that people will refute any given statement just for the sake of argument

[Edited on October 11, 2007 at 9:10 PM. Reason : l]

[Edited on October 11, 2007 at 9:14 PM. Reason : l]

10/11/2007 9:05:23 PM

HURR, lets see if a lesson has been learned...


your frat party this weekend, will you tell them to park in the inner or outter?

10/11/2007 9:15:43 PM

Prove they broke the law, everyone involved is innocent until proven guilty and I don't think you have enough evidence to prove it. That was sort of my point. You almost certainly won't see any money back because you won't be able to prove it.

And, yippee even if you do manage to get this dragged into court:

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"Any person violating any of the provisions of this section shall be guilty of a Class 3 misdemeanor and upon conviction shall be only fined not more than ten dollars ($10.00) in the discretion of the court."

Plus whatever you can get back from the towing company. Bottom line I bet you don't see a dime.

10/11/2007 9:21:37 PM

^ How much is Ace Towing paying you to suck their collective cocks? Is it good money or do you just enjoy sucking dick?

10/11/2007 9:51:41 PM

I couldn't care less about Ace Towing, they're a shitbag company. I actually saw one of their drivers block someone in so he couldn't leave while they hooked the tow truck up. Dude was actually in his car when they hooked it up. Unbelievable.

However, in this case I think HUR is both in the wrong and unable to prove legal fault.

10/11/2007 9:54:17 PM

So what you are saying is if you park in a lot and there is no sign stating the rules on towing and you get towed, you are gonna be fine with that because you were "in the wrong"?

10/11/2007 10:11:30 PM

look, I think you guys have a point regarding the fact that they didn't post the Tow Company's name/number on the sign... but you're really distracting from the argument by blabbering on about how you didn't ride the wolfline... the sign's intention is obviously towards non-customers. 99.99% of non-customers ride the wolfline - they wanted to be very clear to the majority of the people there that they needed to park on the perimeter.

you know this, but you're still splitting hairs over it. why? you're coming across like a whiny bitch college student who still gets his mouth wiped by mommy after dinner

If this were to go to court and I got to sit on the jury, I'd find your ass GUILTY of parking illegally/11!

10/11/2007 10:13:24 PM

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"So what you are saying is if you park in a lot and there is no sign stating the rules on towing and you get towed, you are gonna be fine with that because you were "in the wrong"?"

Pretty much, yeah. I mean, that's why there are streets, parking decks, lots for the specific business/apartment complex/park and ride, etc. I've been towed once, and that was because I didn't see the no parking sign the night before. I didn't bitch and whine. I mean, it sucked since I was visiting a friend's apartment but there wasn't a hell of a lot I could do or should have been able to do. There's no reason why you should be able to expect to park wherever the hell you want at any time you want.

10/11/2007 10:25:20 PM

there was a sign.

<whiny voice> but it only said wolfline riders </whine whine whine>


OMGWTFBBQ - I just thought of something, wolfline drivers should be able to park wherever they want in that lot and not get towed right?!!?!

[Edited on October 11, 2007 at 10:27 PM. Reason : s]

10/11/2007 10:26:07 PM

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"look, I think you guys have a point regarding the fact that they didn't post the Tow Company's name/number on the sign... but you're really distracting from the argument by blabbering on about how you didn't ride the wolfline... the sign's intention is obviously towards non-customers. 99.99% of non-customers ride the wolfline - they wanted to be very clear to the majority of the people there that they needed to park on the perimeter. you know this, but you're still splitting hairs over it. why? you're coming across like a whiny bitch college student who still gets his mouth wiped by mommy after dinner"

i fucking agree

10/11/2007 10:37:10 PM

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"So what you are saying is if you park in a lot and there is no sign stating the rules on towing and you get towed, you are gonna be fine with that because you were "in the wrong"?"

Yep. Don't park in parking lots unless you are a) conducting business with the owners or renters of said lot or b) sure that it's a public lot. That's a simple life lesson that anyone should know before they are age 18, and certainly long before they're directing other people where to park their cars.

10/11/2007 10:48:17 PM

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"the sign's intention is obviously towards non-customers."

Objection! That's conjecture, your honor.

Overruled!

10/11/2007 11:00:34 PM

10/11/2007 11:19:27 PM

wow, this thread is hilarious...

If I were a news station I probably wouldn't air this, "College students towed after parking at a foodlion to attend a frat party at 2am Sunday morning, details at 11", unless it was a *really* slow news day.

10/12/2007 12:35:59 AM

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"Yep. Don't park in parking lots unless you are a) conducting business with the owners or renters of said lot or b) sure that it's a public lot. That's a simple life lesson that anyone should know before they are age 18, and certainly long before they're directing other people where to park their cars."

amen. whatever happened to personal responsibility, a little respect for other people's property, and common damn sense. illegal or not, HUR and a few others obviously lack all three. it must be rough counting on signs and other people to tell you what to do.

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"Learned that a lot of u guys are retarded self-righteous bastards."

haha! that coming from the guy who expects food lion to be his personal parking lot? come on...

[Edited on October 12, 2007 at 1:22 AM. Reason : .]

10/12/2007 1:15:03 AM

HEY EDDIE
since you need TWW to tell you where you can & can't park:
don't park on the street at mimms's house this weekend. because guess what! you can't park on their street and omfg there's not a sign telling you not to. go bitch to WWAY about that now. or if you really want to you can rent it from him for $25. consider it your rate for staying at the "motel 6"

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"OMGWTFBBQ - I just thought of something, wolfline drivers should be able to park wherever they want in that lot and not get towed right?!!?!"

i vote you win this thread.

10/12/2007 2:36:50 AM

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"So what you are saying is if you park in a lot and there is no sign stating the rules on towing and you get towed, you are gonna be fine with that because you were "in the wrong"?"

FTW


i just had a grand idea to get rich guys. I can buy a chunk of land outside the NCSU area. Enter into a contract with ACE towing
in which they would tow any car from the lot that I reported and they would give me 25% of the towing profits.
My land would be paved and easily accessible from Hillsboro. I know students are always looking for someone
to park. I will thus sit in a lawn chair and wait for random people to park on my paved lot and walk to campus.
Since it is my private property i do not need signs indicating my distinct towing regulations and thus can then call up ACE towing and make $$$bank. I would not want to post a "private property" or a sign designating
who can park there since this would be cutting into my profits.

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"don't park on the street at mimms's house this weekend. because guess what! you can't park on their street and omfg there's not a sign telling you not to."

that is cool but i bet residential communities fall under a different set of rules and regulations then a
commercial business. also, the community does not have authority to tow my car. bitch at mimms yes or possibly fine me if it is some city ordinance. Yeah though I will be enjoying a leisurely stay at the mimms/sweets motel. I shed a tear that you will not be there.

Rachel to be pre-law you have a very severe deficiency in logical reasoning skills or any basic understanding of law.
I am sorry you hate frat guys or sweets and me b.c we distract your lover from providing u w/ his full attention.

You guys are so funny. I bet you were the ones that cried during a slumber party at age 8 when someone took your toy. "This is my house and I can do what i want" lol

sorry even if it is your property you can not do whatever you want. Just cause it is my private property can i have a meth lab, kill someone, sit on my lawn butt naked in plain view of the street. I am afraid not. When you "private property" is land zoned commerical and part of a commercial business open to the public you are forced to deal with more restricstions. sorry...... just cause it is your property does not give you the golden card to do whatever you want.

[Edited on October 12, 2007 at 3:16 AM. Reason : l]

10/12/2007 3:11:46 AM

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"You guys are so funny. I bet you were the ones that cried during a slumber party at age 8 when someone took your toy. "This is my house and I can do what i want" lol"

yeah, and you were the kid that had no toys of his own, but went around grabbing everyone else's expecting to play with them. then whined about sharing when someone slapped the shit out of you for it.

10/12/2007 3:32:19 AM

HUR do you agree that wolfline drivers should be allowed to park wherever they want in the FL parking lot, since the sign only specifically mentions wolfline riders??

[Edited on October 12, 2007 at 7:53 AM. Reason : s ]

10/12/2007 7:52:19 AM

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"i just had a grand idea to get rich guys. I can buy a chunk of land outside the NCSU area. Enter into a contract with ACE towing in which they would tow any car from the lot that I reported and they would give me 25% of the towing profits. My land would be paved and easily accessible from Hillsboro. I know students are always looking for someone to park. I will thus sit in a lawn chair and wait for random people to park on my paved lot and walk to campus. Since it is my private property i do not need signs indicating my distinct towing regulations and thus can then call up ACE towing and make $$$bank. I would not want to post a "private property" or a sign designating who can park there since this would be cutting into my profits."

I hope you have fun raping your friends wallets, as they're the aparently the only people who would park in that lot. Seems the rest of us are smart enough to find public parking for our parking needs.

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"When you "private property" is land zoned commerical and part of a commercial business open to the public you are forced to deal with more restricstions. sorry...... just cause it is your property does not give you the golden card to do whatever you want. "

They didn't do whatever they wanted. They had your car towed. Which is their legal right, as it's a private parking lot. You're completely dancing around the point. The fact that it was a private lot doesn't mean that they can do whatever the fuck they want, but it does mean they can tow your ass, hence why people are pointing out it's private property.

10/12/2007 9:51:22 AM

keep fighting the good fight hur - haha

10/12/2007 9:54:28 AM

i guess every other business (i.e hillsbourgh street), apartment complex, and the (pay-2 park) places like VAL park have signs everywhere warning specifically that (non customers, people w/o parking permits, etc) will be towed even listing the number and name of the tow company just b.c they are all "nice guys"

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"Which is their legal right"

WRONG, WRONG, WRONG. they have to follow Raleigh and NC towing laws dumb ass. BTW must of you are just blowing smoke at this point. my car was not towed so i am not worried about it. I found the necessary info i needed as well as some positive opinions about the situation ( as well as a lot of opinions of dumbasses claiming food lion can jizz on my car since it is their private paradise). i contacted wral since this is a case of a business wronging the people. Everyone who was towed has a clear case and right to get their money back. If they decide to pursue this any more, now that they know they were wronged and towed illegally it is up to them.

[Edited on October 12, 2007 at 12:28 PM. Reason : .]

[Edited on October 12, 2007 at 12:29 PM. Reason : l]

10/12/2007 12:22:22 PM

so, anything happen or you just beaming with joy because you called the local news station mr self righteous

10/12/2007 12:57:03 PM

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"i just had a grand idea to get rich guys. I can buy a chunk of land outside the NCSU area. Enter into a contract with ACE towing in which they would tow any car from the lot that I reported and they would give me 25% of the towing profits."

That would really only work if you put up a sign saying you would only tow people that were going to Nelson Hall and then tow everyone no matter where you were going and say "I have no way of knowing that you didn't go to Nelson" when people complain.

10/12/2007 1:13:02 PM

Excellent idea; i could even put a sign that says "No meredith student parking"
then when overwhelmingly NCSU students parks or any employees from the nearby businesses i can just claim that there was no way I didn't know they were not meredith students. meanwhile everyone is parking there b.c they think they are can park since the sign just says meredith students.

I mean it is everyone's fault for getting towed Omar right????
they made the decision of parking on my lot and i can do whatever i want correct???

damn i'm gonna get rich quick

10/12/2007 1:20:57 PM

this thread has easily helped me pass the time for two days in a row. thanks hur!

10/12/2007 1:54:27 PM

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"whatever happened to personal responsibility, a little respect for other people's property, and common damn sense. "

it's funny because the exact same could be said about ace towing and following the explicit laws of their industry in this state.

10/12/2007 2:10:11 PM

I like HUR's idea. How much does land cost really close to campus? Can't be more than ~$125k an acre. All it would take is like 1/4 acre lot on one of the wolfline routes within a few minutes from campus (may even be able to find something at around $50-75k/acre a couple miles away).

We could probably turn over $1000 per day.

10/12/2007 2:34:24 PM

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"I like HUR's idea. How much does land cost really close to campus? Can't be more than ~$125k an acre."

not even close. more like $400-500k an acre.

10/12/2007 3:03:49 PM

Ok, I was up at Food Dog a few minutes ago, and there is definitely a sign on the entrance to the store that says "students parked while riding the wolfline DURING BUSINESS HOURS will be towed, unless on the outer wall." or something to that extent.

I know for sure that it did say "DURING BUSINESS HOURS"

10/12/2007 4:02:06 PM

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""students parked while riding the wolfline DURING BUSINESS HOURS will be towed, unless on the outer wall.""

But it doesn't say that cars parked after business hours while the owner is a frat party won't get towed.

10/12/2007 4:44:48 PM

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"then when overwhelmingly NCSU students parks or any employees from the nearby businesses i can just claim that there was no way I didn't know they were not meredith students. meanwhile everyone is parking there b.c they think they are can park since the sign just says meredith students."

I bet you're the type to get pissed off if you parked in my driveway and I had your ass towed. You'd probably say I didn't have signage at my house.

10/12/2007 5:31:52 PM

can me and my house be left out of this waste of time please

10/12/2007 5:35:46 PM