^^^ECU has to fly clear across the continental US and almost half the Pacific to get their ass beat by Boise! Over under on how many Statue of Liberty's or Hook and Ladder's we see???

[Edited on December 2, 2007 at 9:08 PM. Reason : a]

12/2/2007 9:08:17 PM

hopefully a lot.


god damn it I hate when ESPN or any other TV station does this. the PIP with info on the outside, especially during the NFL draft and other things like that with info around it. it cuts off the whole HD picture. its already running in the bottom line, we don't need it all on screen too

[Edited on December 2, 2007 at 9:12 PM. Reason : last year's bowl matchups were so much better]

12/2/2007 9:10:15 PM

The "no 3 teams from the same conference" rule is fucking idiotic. Raise your hand if you think 9-3 from the weak as hell Big Ten Illinois deserved to be in over 11-2 "our only losses came against Oklahoma and we were #1 until Saturday" Mizzou.

I've got money that says OSU, Michigan, and Illinois all lose by more than 2 TDs.

12/2/2007 10:25:53 PM

i doubt osu loses by more than 2 tds

12/2/2007 10:31:13 PM

Care to place a wager?

12/2/2007 10:35:18 PM

Kansas avoided Oklahoma and Texas this year, the schedule gods really aligned things for them this year. Beamer will embarrass Kansas. Going through the Big XII and not having to face Oklahoma or Texas relegates it to a mid major conference. Illinois, what a joke, I'll leave it at that. Mizzou got jobbed, but, it's no surprise because when you lose your conference championship, it's fresh on everybody's mind.

12/2/2007 10:36:58 PM

^^^^ I agree, I think Tenn/Mizzou got fucked by that rule. Tenn did finish 9-4 but they destroyed UGA.

Why does the Rose Bowl think America cares about tradition? We clearly sent a message with the creation of the BCS all we care about are matchups and $texas in Vegas.

[Edited on December 2, 2007 at 10:39 PM. Reason : if we're going x team is better than y b/c of head to head wins]

12/2/2007 10:37:52 PM

^

so true, and so sad.

12/2/2007 10:38:37 PM

The Rose Bowl doesn't think America cares. The Rose Bowl knows that the Rose Bowl cares.

[Edited on December 2, 2007 at 10:39 PM. Reason : s]

12/2/2007 10:39:13 PM

^^^ Tennessee got screwed how?? no way in hell they deserved to be in a BCS game... only way would be if Ainge hadnt turned into a turd against LSU (again)

12/2/2007 10:45:39 PM

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"I've got money that says OSU, Michigan, and Illinois all lose by more than 2 TDs."

How much?

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"Why does the Rose Bowl think America cares about tradition?"

The Rose Bowl cares about selling out. For so many years, the champs of the Pac-10 and Big 10 played to go to Pasadena. That's what you aim for. It's really not changed since the BCS started. This whole "national championship" is complete bullcrap, it's not real, it's as fake as a porn star's orgasm. So why throw away what you always looked forward to doing for a system that claims it is something it is not. In 2000 when Purdue made the Rose Bowl I was ecstatic. It was the first time they'd been there since the 1960s. I didn't care about the national title game, Purdue could go undefeated every year and the college football powers would figure out a way to not invite them to the national title game. So why should they aim for that or even care about it?

You know, screw the BCS. Lets return to the Mythical National Championship.

[Edited on December 2, 2007 at 10:51 PM. Reason : /]

12/2/2007 10:47:35 PM

Why is that sad? College football has had the worst postseason system imaginable for decades. Attempting to fix it is not a mistake, not going all the way with it was. I could not care less about tradition, it has virtually no bearing on today's college football landscape. Screw the Rose Bowl's incestuous love affair with Michigan/OSU and USC.

I'd love to see the Big Ten and the PAC-10 split from the rest of college football, they'd find out then just how irrelevant they really are. College football is a regional fascination, it does not have the national appeal of the NFL, MLB, NBA, or March Madness.

College football is a mess. The BCS works no better than the Bowl Alliance before it, or the numerous "national champions" crowned by various organizations. Teams are now trying to schedule for the BCS, it's no different than with past systems. Hawaii is left out of the title game because teams won't play them (wave hello, Michigan. Wish you hadn't bought out Hawaii and played App. State yet?), OSU is in because the Big Ten doesn't have a championship game and the SEC and Big XII do. It's a mess.

Playoffs are a completely viable option, anyone who tells you differently is full of shit. You'd only need a month. OSU will go about 50 days between their last game and the BCS championship, LSU, about 40. Anybody think we couldn't squeeze an 8 team playoff into 40 days?

12/2/2007 10:48:54 PM

^^The only one that will be even marginally close will be LSU vs. OSU. I'd put 20 on that game with no hesitation. I'd feel bad about taking your money on the others, but if you're up for it I'd got at least 20 on each.

12/2/2007 10:50:42 PM

You are correct IMO - there should be some scheduling standardization among conferences.

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"College football is a regional fascination"

Yep. I've made that argument before as well. Vastly different styles in different parts of the country makes for impossible comparisons accross conferences.

12/2/2007 10:52:25 PM

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"^^The only one that will be even marginally close will be LSU vs. OSU. I'd put 20 on that game with no hesitation. I'd feel bad about taking your money on the others, but if you're up for it I'd got at least 20 on each. "

No. You said ALL three. So if any one of them is a win or a loss by less than 14 points, I would win.

So how much?

12/2/2007 10:53:00 PM

How much do you want to wager? If you want to run it as a parlay you'd have to give me some kind of odds. I was talking about individual games, but hey, make a suggestion and I'll put some cash on it.

[Edited on December 2, 2007 at 10:54 PM. Reason : asdfds]

12/2/2007 10:53:24 PM

Illinois will lose.

If Michigan decides to show up, they will win. There's no way of knowing, with how inconsistent they've been this year.

ohio thtate could go either way. Game will be settled by less than 10 points.

12/2/2007 10:54:41 PM

No way Michigan stays close to Florida. No way.

12/2/2007 10:57:22 PM

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"I'd love to see the Big Ten and the PAC-10 split from the rest of college football, they'd find out then just how irrelevant they really are."

Irrelevant? Who other than the Big 12 or SEC can realisticallly challenge the Big 10 for fanbase? Why do you think the Big 10 always has three of its games at a minimum televised nationally every week? Why are almost all of the bowls that the Big 10 playing in on either New Year's Day or Eve? Why is their bowl payouts much larger than what the ACC will get in comparison?

It's because their fanbases are large and their TV ratings and because they have the fans that watch the games on a national scale.

Fans determine strength and power, not some bulls*** system that most everyone hates.




[Edited on December 2, 2007 at 11:02 PM. Reason : .]

12/2/2007 10:58:32 PM

If Hart and Henne are healthy, it will indeed be properly matched.

12/2/2007 10:58:55 PM

well the computer poll showed itself to be useless

1. Virginia Tech
2. LSU

lsu beat the pants off vtech...guess the computer didnt know

12/2/2007 10:59:04 PM

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"The Rose Bowl cares about selling out."

And Georgia wouldn't have brought that? All I'm saying in big named schools, you don't have to worry about selling out.

Or do you mean selling out like a "rockstar"? I can see that then it that case.

Why do something that is so unpopular? But then why join up with being called a BCS game?

I like tradition, but I like common sense even more.

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"College football is a regional fascination"

Yeah with only the Northeast and Alaska not giving a shit. I would bet most of the country is pretty hard core about their college football. Even the 3 people in Wyoming.

12/2/2007 10:59:29 PM

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"Yeah with only the Northeast and Alaska not giving a shit"

....are Ohio and Michigan not in the northeast? Am I wrong?

12/2/2007 11:00:20 PM

Here's a little secret... no one cares about the Big Ten outside of Big Ten country, just like no one cares about the SEC outside of SEC country, and no one cares about the PAC-10 period, even inside of PAC-10 country.

It really is a regional thing, if you don't understand this then there's nothing I can do for you.

Oh, and no, Ohio and Michigan are not in the northeast. Buy a fucking map.

The only time the nation as a whole pays attention to college football is right now when they attempt to determine a national champion. Granted, it's much the same with the NFL, except that everyone pays attention to the NFL playoffs and the Superbowl. Look at college basketball, regular season is sort of so-so, but who doesn't do a March Madness pool at work? The two most unproductive days in the American economy are the monday after the Superbowl and the first Friday of March Madness. Coincidence? No, and college football could create that kind of interest if the folks in charge just pulled their heads out of their own asses.

[Edited on December 2, 2007 at 11:06 PM. Reason : afda]

12/2/2007 11:02:24 PM

^^ are you serious?

[Edited on December 2, 2007 at 11:02 PM. Reason : .]

12/2/2007 11:02:29 PM

that's the midwest, sir.

12/2/2007 11:03:05 PM

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"ncsu1128 Veteran 141 Posts user info edit post well the computer poll showed itself to be useless 1. Virginia Tech 2. LSU lsu beat the pants off vtech...guess the computer didnt know"

you are exactly right, because the stupid humans crippled the computers by disallowing them from using the scores. all the computers see is W vs L.

[Edited on December 2, 2007 at 11:03 PM. Reason : (they also don't see 3OT)]

12/2/2007 11:03:07 PM

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"Here's a little secret... no one cares about the Big Ten outside of Big Ten country, just like no one cares about the SEC outside of SEC country, and no one cares about the PAC-10 period, even inside of PAC-10 country. It really is a regional thing, if you don't understand this then there's nothing I can do for you."

thats wrong... I am a college football fanatic, I will watch just about any game if its on tv



[Edited on December 2, 2007 at 11:04 PM. Reason : d]

12/2/2007 11:03:32 PM

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"And Georgia wouldn't have brought that? All I'm saying in big named schools, you don't have to worry about selling out. "

Someone had to take Hawaii, and their fanbase is limited. It wasn't going to be the Rose since they had the first pick after Ohio State got picked up in the national title game. It would not surprise me in the slightest if the Sugar said they'd take Hawaii, but needed Georgia to balance it out.

If you're a Georgia fan, is going to the Sugar really a step down from the Rose? No. And plus it's a much shorter drive or flight.

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"Here's a little secret... no one cares about the Big Ten outside of Big Ten country"

The number of Purdue alumni in the state of North Carolina alone is about 20,000. When I went to the Wake Forest-Purdue game in Winston-Salem in 2003 the number of Purdue fans was equal to Wake's fans present.

Now take those numbers in mind, and realize that Purdue is one of the smaller state schools in the Big 10. Extrapolate those numbers for Penn State, Ohio State, and Michigan.

[Edited on December 2, 2007 at 11:09 PM. Reason : /]

12/2/2007 11:04:44 PM

the whole argument that different conferences play different styles and you can't compare them is bullshit, for the record.

they do play different styles, but they can be compared.

12/2/2007 11:04:58 PM

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"Here's a little secret... no one cares about the Big Ten outside of Big Ten country, just like no one cares about the SEC outside of SEC country, and no one cares about the PAC-10 period, even inside of PAC-10 country."

...that's exactly the point I made before. Read words.

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"Oh, and no, Ohio and Michigan are not in the northeast. Buy a fucking map."

...you may want to go ahead and edit that one.

12/2/2007 11:05:34 PM

^ what are you talking about??


Ohio and Michigan are NOT in the northeast

12/2/2007 11:06:12 PM

Midwest.

Northeast is New England and NY/NJ. And Philly, armpit city of the armpit state.

12/2/2007 11:06:29 PM

Hmm, my folks live in Ohio and I challenge you to find one person there who considers that to be part of the Northeast. Michigan... even farther North and definitely to the west of Ohio. Nope, Ohio and Michigan are pretty much solidly midwest.

[Edited on December 2, 2007 at 11:08 PM. Reason : asdfsa]

12/2/2007 11:07:36 PM

isnt wyloch a big michigan guy? how does he not know this?

12/2/2007 11:08:11 PM

Ah, I see what's happened. Vernacular mismatch.

Yeah, they're in what is typically referred to as "midwest." Sorry about that - until I moved out of MI I'd never heard it referred to as being in the midwest, because if you look at a map, it is most definitely in the northeastern quarter of the country.

12/2/2007 11:08:56 PM

i'm not one to get on people's intelligence, but you're a fucking idiot. what'd you do, go look at a map and divide it into four squares and call the top right the northeast?

12/2/2007 11:09:12 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj3iNxZ8Dww

12/2/2007 11:09:33 PM

Quote :

"Quote : "Here's a little secret... no one cares about the Big Ten outside of Big Ten country, just like no one cares about the SEC outside of SEC country, and no one cares about the PAC-10 period, even inside of PAC-10 country. It really is a regional thing, if you don't understand this then there's nothing I can do for you." thats wrong... I am a college football fanatic, I will watch just about any game if its on tv [Edited on December 2, 2007 at 11:04 PM. Reason : d]"

You are the rare, rare exception.

12/2/2007 11:09:55 PM

i watch other conferences b/c i like college football and the acc sucks terribly at it

12/2/2007 11:10:29 PM

^^ no, I think YOU are just around people that dont like college football. Everyone I know who likes college football at all likes ALL college football.


College bball is much much more regional until you get to march

12/2/2007 11:11:27 PM

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"i'm not one to get on people's intelligence, but you're a fucking idiot. what'd you do, go look at a map and divide it into four squares and call the top right the northeast?"

Chill the fuck out. Go look at a map. You will indeed see that it is in the northeastern portion of the country. I do acknowledge that everyone not from the area refers to it as the midwest (for whatever reason, I have no clue). Move on.

12/2/2007 11:11:32 PM

it's kind of lame to keep harping on this

but you're saying that people from ohio and michigan refer to themselves as northeasterners?

12/2/2007 11:12:47 PM

In my hometown, yeah. Dunno about Ohio. Never lived there. What the hell is this big deal for??

12/2/2007 11:14:09 PM

because you're dumb and wrong

12/2/2007 11:14:54 PM

hahahahahahaha

12/2/2007 11:15:08 PM

ok, i don't want to keep going on about this, but i asked

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"what'd you do, go look at a map and divide it into four squares and call the top right the northeast?"

to which you replied

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"Go look at a map. You will indeed see that it is in the northeastern portion of the country."

12/2/2007 11:16:19 PM

Yes. I'm wrong. You guys also lived in the suburbs of Detroit and would therefore know.

Fucking morons.

Let's get back to discussing sports.

12/2/2007 11:16:48 PM

its amusing.

you gotta learn not to give rednecks a chance to look smart at your expense

i'm a yankee and i've learned all to well.

12/2/2007 11:16:53 PM

whatever, i live in pennsylvania.

12/2/2007 11:18:41 PM