i don't care about "winning people over". i was just responding to

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"we can agree to disagree, and might end up at that eventually...i just want to get inside your head and see where you're coming from to not want a playoff"

figured i'd just tell you my mindset on it. i didn't think you'd come back and tell me i was wrong again via the wonders of the nba playoffs.

12/4/2007 4:31:13 PM

Check out this stat:

CURRENT WIN STREAK:
- LSU - 1 Win
- Ohio State - 1 Win
- Notre Dame - 2 Wins

^well i pretty much addressed every issue of your post and the best you could do in your reply was inform me that college football is not the nfl, nba, etc

[Edited on December 4, 2007 at 4:32 PM. Reason : .]

12/4/2007 4:31:17 PM

i'm just trying to figure out why every argument you bring up is 'college football should do this b/c this is how pro leagues do it'.

12/4/2007 4:34:31 PM

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"tOSU: "Well we could have more intense challenging games OOC but i think we will stick with Kent St because I would hate to break a nail and possibly hurt our BCS score.""

Stop saying this, I already proved it wrong.

12/4/2007 4:42:02 PM

^^not just pro sports leagues...also D1-AA college football...and D2 college football...and D3 college football...pretty much every sporting league of any sport on any level EXCEPT D1-A college football has a playoff...I guess we'll have to agree to disagree because your only retorts seem to be again informing me that college football isn't the NBA...i don't need you to tell me that

12/4/2007 4:42:57 PM

i mean, i can do it too.

using the exact logic that you have used, the nfl is more successful than mlb financially and tv ratings wise, so they should change the baseball season to 16 games and have single game, single elimination playoff bracket.

it's just not relevant what other leagues use.

12/4/2007 4:46:21 PM

well not to go off on a tangent, but MLB should reduce their schedule length although I think 16 is too short

Ok simonn, if you don't want to compare college football to any other sport, how bout you just consider whats fair...is it fair that Hawaii loses ZERO games this season (13 game winning streak, won 22 of their last 23) yet doesn't even get the opportunity to play in a top 3 BCS bowl? How come a couple years back Auburn ran the table in the SEC...and didn't even get to play for the national title? If the regular season is a playoff, what did Auburn do wrong? All they did was go undefeated in the SEC. This season Georgia is on a 6 game winning streak...they're probably the hottest team in the country...but they don't get to play in a BCS bowl...so without comparing D1-A to other sports how is the current system fair?

Btw are we allowed to compare BCS to FCS, D2 or D3? Is that fair game for this thread or are they too different? I mean they don't have scholarships in D2 or D3 so I guess its incomparable to D1-A/BCS?

12/4/2007 4:51:14 PM

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"Ok simonn, if you don't want to compare college football to any other sport, how bout you just consider whats fair..."

FINALLY you want to talk about the issue at hand.

1sec, let me read it. i had to post b/c i was so excited about the progress we just made.

ok i read it:

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"This season Georgia is on a 6 game winning streak...they're probably the hottest team in the country...but they don't get to play in a BCS bowl"

georgia is playing in the sugar bowl, first and foremost.

secondly, i will concede that, especially this season, the bcs needs fixing. however, georgia didn't win their conference, so i don't mind them not getting a shot at the title (even though the rules explicitly state that you do not have to win your conference).

the issue of hawaii. personally, i don't care how they do in the wac, winning that conference and not playing anyone ooc is not grounds for a national title. if they want to play for it then they need to get their asses out to the continental us and play some teams.

one of the things that i like the most about the ncaa (which everyone else hates, i don't know why) is that good programs are built. you can't just get a coincidental good team one year (like maybe a quarterback who comes to you school b/c he's been kicked out of an actual bcs school for sexual assault) and win it all. if your athletics department commits to football and you get a good coaching staff in, over time you build the program. that's how i like it. i want nothing to do w/ teams having a losing season one year, and winning the whole thing the next.

[Edited on December 4, 2007 at 5:04 PM. Reason : i realize i'm in the minority here. however, i also realize that this is an OPINION.]

12/4/2007 4:53:32 PM

I know the #1 seeds for the NCAA basketball tourney are picked different then the top ranked teams in the BCS. Just food for thought though; only 5 times have two #1 seeded teams faced off in the title game for basketball. How fucking boring would it be if basketball has the same system as BCS college football. We'd have the agony of watching UNC or Duke play in the title game every other year.

Since you maintain we should only compare football to football. If the college NCAA IA regular season is really a "tournament" as you maintain; how can you possibly justify not putting Hawaii in the title game. San Diego despite the best in the AFC lost a game to the Pats in the "tourney" aka NFL post season and thus eliminated at a shot at the "title game" aka Superbowl. If the NCAA IA regular season really is a tourney then shouldn't LSU be out after 2 bloopers.

[Edited on December 4, 2007 at 5:03 PM. Reason : 1]

12/4/2007 4:58:46 PM

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"how can you possibly justify not putting Hawaii in the title game."

addressed in the edit ^^

12/4/2007 5:05:09 PM

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"personally, i don't care how they do in the wac, winning that conference and not playing anyone ooc is not grounds for a national title"

i could say the exact same thing about Ohio State...why do they deserve to be in the title game? Why not LSU and Oklahoma? Although thats still my opinion...hey I have an idea...how about LSU plays Oklahoma and the winner plays the winner of the Ohio State West Virginia game? Or is some cinderella team going to screw up college football? Of course not because none of the top 4 or 8 or 12 or 16 teams are "cinderella" teams...and what about a school like Hawaii? How is Hawaii supposed to "build a program"? Are they just SOL since they are located in Hawaii? They've won 22 of their last 23 games...is that not building a program? It is...but the heads of the BCS conferences damn sure don't want Hawaii getting their grubby little hands on any BCS conference's entitlement money...even though of course they could still have the bowls, and make EVEN MORE money than they do now...

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"i want nothing to do w/ teams having a losing season one year, and winning the whole thing the next."

good thing college basketball has a tourney or State wouldnt have ever won shit

[Edited on December 4, 2007 at 5:11 PM. Reason : .]

12/4/2007 5:08:18 PM

I'd like to see two teams trade conference schedules one year. Not going to happen but I'd love to see the fuckeyes switch places with LSU/Florida. I also think in order to be eligible to play in the national championship, your strength of schedule should have to be above a certain amount.

12/4/2007 5:13:59 PM

^^ i agree completely that oklahoma is better than ohio state. like i said, the bcs does need fixing.

and i love state, but we were clearly not the best team in the country in '83. that's the novelty you get with college basketball. it's fun, but that's not the objective with football, and it's not the solution.

and what does west virginia have to do w/ it? if anything they prove my point. they had to beat a shitty pittsburgh team to make the title game, and they fucked it up. that's not the system's fault, that's wvu's fault.

[Edited on December 4, 2007 at 5:17 PM. Reason : ^]

12/4/2007 5:14:26 PM

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"if your athletics department commits to football and you get a good coaching staff in, over time you build the program"

hmmm i think the same could be said about any team ameteur or Pro. Guess you never heard of a thing called the draft. Not that I like the guy but I guess Bill Bilichek got lucky a few good
players haphazardly ended up in Foxburough and happened to have good chemistry playing together.

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"i want nothing to do w/ teams having a losing season one year, and winning the whole thing the next."

I'll take it that you do not support P Riv & the chargers. They were really shitty one year; then the next Joe Brees steps to the helm
and the chargers hit up the super bowl. Then P Riv takes over and leads them to another winning season in 2006 (sucks they lost to the pats in the AFC finals). Unfortunately they are having an off year this year.
In my opinion this is what makes NFL exciting, since any team starts the season with potential of going to the super bowl. On the other hand continuing my profession sports example
in the MLB the Royales (thanks to lack of salary cap) for example have a slim chance in hell of going to the world series.

A wild guess tells me you like the patriots, yankees, UNC, tOSU. Gotta hop on the band wagon
and root for the winning teams right?? If your team has an off season then you do not like them anymore.
What a great sports fan you are.

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"that's the novelty you get with college basketball. it's fun, but that's not the objective with football,"

LOL THEN WHAT IS THE FUCKING OBJECTIVE...

for the media to maximize profits?
to cheer on the marching band???
watch the cheerleaders??
sit outside the coliseum and drink instead of watching the game
to see what color shoes Chuck Amato wears to the game (pre-2007 f-ball season)


[Edited on December 4, 2007 at 5:28 PM. Reason : a]

[Edited on December 4, 2007 at 5:29 PM. Reason : a]

12/4/2007 5:24:25 PM

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"what does west virginia have to do w/ it?"

simply that they are an exciting team to watch, and were ONE of the best teams over the course of this season, and therefore would get a spot in my playoff bracket...you could substitute Va Tech or Kansas or whoever you want...we just want a playoff...i dont even like West Virginia but I'd give them a spot

[Edited on December 4, 2007 at 5:30 PM. Reason : .]

12/4/2007 5:29:55 PM

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"A wild guess tells me you like the patriots, yankees, UNC, tOSU. Gotta hop on the band wagon and root for the winning teams right?? If your team has an off season then you do not like them anymore. What a great sports fan you are."

the only team i am a fan of in any sport, amatuer or professional, is nc state. i claim no secondary college team nor do i claim any professional team.

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"I'll take it that you do not support P Riv & the chargers."

obviously, as a state fan, i have a giant mancrush on priv, but that's the extent to which i care about the chargers. but that's not even the chargers' fault, it's the league's fault for setting it up like that.

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"On the other hand continuing my profession sports example in the MLB the Royales (thanks to lack of salary cap) for example have a slim chance in hell of going to the world series."

i'm okay w/ this. the royals are owned by david glass, who has plenty of money, he just doesn't want to spend it.

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"LOL THEN WHAT IS THE FUCKING OBJECTIVE..."

to crown the best team in college football.

12/4/2007 5:30:59 PM

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"to crown the best team in college football"

the best team according to some computers, former players, coaches (who are too busy worrying about their own team to even follow 118 other teams and rank them) and members of the media with their own loyalties? no thanks

if the best team was really so good they could win a tournament

college football is based on POLLS...every other sport is based on WINNING GAMES

12/4/2007 5:42:11 PM

to be fair those polls are affected by winning and losing games. perhaps too much. so what you want is the problem!!!

12/4/2007 6:31:54 PM

let me clarify my statement about polls vs. winning

lets look at NFL, MLB, NBA, NHL...4 major pro sports in this country...not only do ALL of them have playoffs, but none of them have any types of polls or rankings...sure there are unofficial power rankings but they mean nothing...your postseason destiny is 100% determined by your wins and losses and record and how you rank in your conference/league

college sports have polls...basketball has preseason polls...just like football right? of course basketball polls ultimately lead to ncaa tournament seedings...you can't go 5-25 and make the tourney...you probably cant go 15-15 and make the tourney...you still have to have a good regular season...but the polls only determine tournament seedings, not which two teams get the chance to play for the national title

12/4/2007 6:40:06 PM

of those four leagues you listed, only one is currently successful.

12/4/2007 6:43:16 PM

yet they all have far superior postseason systems than D1-A football...

12/4/2007 6:44:17 PM

says you.

12/4/2007 6:44:35 PM

in case you didnt notice, you're in the vast MINORITY of opinions on this topic, both in this thread, and across the country in general

12/4/2007 6:45:22 PM

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"of those four leagues you listed, only one is currently successful."

which one, pray tell, isnt successful?

12/4/2007 6:46:07 PM

i think he means the NFL is the only one that is successful

12/4/2007 6:47:08 PM

how are the nba and mlb not successful?

they may not be as popular as the nfl, but they're certainly highly profitable

[Edited on December 4, 2007 at 6:49 PM. Reason : unless you're the knicks]

12/4/2007 6:49:28 PM

love it or hate it, the nhl has the best postseason of all the leagues

12/4/2007 6:50:44 PM

^^bear in mind the guy saying they arent successful is completely opposed to a playoff system in college football

^i think all 4 pro sports have better postseasons than D1-a football...probably all college sports too

[Edited on December 4, 2007 at 6:51 PM. Reason : .]

12/4/2007 6:51:08 PM

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"one of the things that i like the most about the ncaa (which everyone else hates, i don't know why) is that good programs are built."

How in the fuck is a Hawaii supposed to build a program when it can't get the money it needs to do so simply because it is in a different conference? The reason the other programs were able to "build" programs is because they had easy access to the money. Now you want to shut the fucking door and tell everyone to "build," despite the fact that all of the building materials are behind the fucking door.

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"and what does west virginia have to do w/ it? if anything they prove my point. they had to beat a shitty pittsburgh team to make the title game, and they fucked it up. that's not the system's fault, that's wvu's fault."

Actually, it's pretty fucking simple. Had WVU lost to Pitt in week 1, they would probably be in the title game. Had tOSU lost to Illinois last weekend, then tOSU wouldn't be in the title game. Pretty simple, actually.

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"I also think in order to be eligible to play in the national championship, your strength of schedule should have to be above a certain amount."

Hey, what a perfect way to ensure that the smaller conferences could never win a national championship!

12/4/2007 7:02:57 PM

Smaller conferences aren't going to get there now either. Look at Hawaii, only undefeated team in the country and they're behind four 2 loss teams. They have the next to last schedule rank in terms of SOS. Part of that is from being in the wac with a combined record of under .500(53-56) and a lot of top tier BCS teams don't want to play upper-level mid major teams. Hawaii has Florida, Cincy, and Or. State next year though.. Maybe somehow reward teams for playing "non-cupcakes".

[Edited on December 4, 2007 at 7:36 PM. Reason : ]

12/4/2007 7:25:24 PM

How did this bowl shit w/o any form of tournament originate. If logistics is that big of an issue; I am sure they can come up w/ something better then the crap now.

12/4/2007 7:29:01 PM

37-0 hahaha

hahahahhaa

12/4/2007 7:56:03 PM

12/4/2007 8:05:53 PM

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"Smaller conferences aren't going to get there now either. Look at Hawaii, only undefeated team in the country and they're behind four 2 loss teams. They have the next to last schedule rank in terms of SOS. Part of that is from being in the wac with a combined record of under .500(53-56) and a lot of top tier BCS teams don't want to play upper-level mid major teams. Hawaii has Florida, Cincy, and Or. State next year though.. Maybe somehow reward teams for playing "non-cupcakes"."

Excellent idea. Lets start with not letting teams that balance a pathetic conference schedule out with an even worse nonconference schedule into a championship game.

Any top 25 team would most likely go undefeated with Hawaii's schedule.

12/4/2007 8:18:39 PM

or let a school in one of this season's worst BCS conferences with OOC games filled w/ cupcakes, to fluff their numbers, after illustrating the previous National Championship game that they were not the "Champs" simply walk into the BCS title game ahead of the other teams with just 1 loss.

[Edited on December 4, 2007 at 8:55 PM. Reason : l]

12/4/2007 8:54:29 PM

Other one loss team (with no "s") is what you meant I'm sure. And please don't try to say Kansas played a difficult schedule.

12/4/2007 9:04:21 PM

my boys hawaii are going to teat that georgea shit up


hawaii 55
georgea -3

12/4/2007 9:08:36 PM

hah, the fuckeyes are probably the best 1 loss team but that doesn't mean shit. There's a ton of 2 loss teams that would still stomp a mudhole in their ass, and one of them will do so on Jan 7th

[Edited on December 4, 2007 at 9:19 PM. Reason : ]

12/4/2007 9:19:32 PM

Did you all know that the Capital One Bowl bid to become the 5th BCS bowl game? It didn't get it b/c of the Citrus Bowl's current condition. Many thought it would make sense since the Capital One Bowl is usually one of the better non-BCS bowls in terms of prestige and match-ups, kind of like the Cotton Bowl. It has the largest payout of all the non-BCS bowls at $4.25M per team. Well the City of Orlando is going to use $175-million to refurbish and upgrade the stadium. It kind of makes sense from a tourist standpoint also, with all of the attractions Orlando has.

12/4/2007 9:20:14 PM

since the addition to carter-finley, i look down my nose at any stadium w/ one or more open endzones.

12/4/2007 9:22:46 PM

Haha, well one aspect of the stadium upgrade is filling in the open end. Usually for the Capital One Bowl they put a set of permanent looking bleachers in that endzone.

[Edited on December 4, 2007 at 9:27 PM. Reason : ]

12/4/2007 9:26:17 PM

that's pretty cool how it opens up to that water though

12/4/2007 9:29:00 PM

EASILY the worst stadium i have ever been to

and its in a sketchy neighborhood so that doesnt help either

12/4/2007 9:54:34 PM

where the hell is the parking?

12/4/2007 9:56:51 PM

we parked in a grass lot which doubled as a little league baseball stadium

12/4/2007 9:57:20 PM

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"I'll take it that you do not support P Riv & the chargers. They were really shitty one year; then the next Joe Brees steps to the helm and the chargers hit up the super bowl."

I thought this was good

12/4/2007 10:01:17 PM

i like how he tried to turn 'i don't like the nfl' into 'i don't like philip rivers'.

12/4/2007 10:02:11 PM

anyone who enjoys and believes the winner of the BCS title game is actually the "best" college NCAA IA team in the nation is a fucking douche [/thread]

12/5/2007 12:31:39 AM

I did two years ago.

12/5/2007 12:41:01 AM

The issue with Hawaii is this: They play in a shitty conference and none of the big kids want them on the schedule.

They'd be a trap game for an LSU, USC, or tOSU. If you beat them, big deal, you beat a WAC team. If you lose to them, though, you've lost a game in your precious "regular season is the playoffs" bullshit run and you have to hope for other teams to catch losses.

So the Hawaii's of the land get "thanks but no thanks" from everyone involved. Hawaii was supposed to get Michigan this season, but the Wolverines backed out and put App State on the schedule instead. Even that didn't turn out so hot for them. So you really think anyone worth playing is going to put Hawaii on the schedule? Hell no.

Instead, they'll add Mary's School for Blind Girls and the BCS will march on the same way it always has:

If you don't start the season playing for one of the handful of teams that the polls said were contenders before there was even a kickoff, you will not play for the title. Period.

12/5/2007 4:37:33 AM