uhhhh


ok

11/20/2008 7:22:53 AM

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" some of you guys are like "OMG this is Fleming's Bond! He's so awesome!" and then some of you are like "HE's A ROOKIE AND ITS OK! THIS IS THE WAY IT SHOULD BE!" and sadly, both are wrong "

CharlieEFH you bash people's opinions in almost every thread in Entertainment and tell everyone that they are flat out wrong but I never see you offer up your own opinion or the correct answer to anything. So what's the right answer?



add: i read your posts from this thread, and enjoyed the comparisons/nods to older films.

[Edited on November 20, 2008 at 8:32 AM. Reason : add]

11/20/2008 8:27:30 AM

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"I never see you offer up your own opinion or the correct answer to anything."

sure i do...its just after a while it gets old repeating the same thing over and over again

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"So what's the right answer?"

This got posted in the chit chat thread and not here so feel free to rip it...

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" Quote : "something that resembled Fleming's character " everyone keeps saying this but it's simply not true Craig's Bond is reckless and selfish when it comes to how he gets things done. And maybe right now that's the point as they're trying to paint this picture of "Bond's Backstory" (especially since they put the gun barrel scene at the end of the movie). Fleming's Bond is more mature and self-aware that he's a small fish in a big pond and does his job for the sake of public service. By no means is Fleming's Bond respectful of authority and he doesn't always do things by the rules, but they make sense when he does them and he doesn't just kill people randomly without learning anything. And btw, he hates killing people just to kill people...something Craig's Bond has done at least 10 times over the last 2 movies with no sense of remorse (and i don't mean random bad guys in the middle of a shootout). Fleming's Bond struggles with the good vs evil nature of his job and how the lines get blurry, the movie does a good job of pointing that out but its not from Bond's perspective. these new movies even lack Fleming's style on the Bond-Leiter relationship, they're more than just colleagues that assume each other to be the "good guys" every once and a while. They chum around and are pretty good friends whenever their paths cross. Its probably not realistic to put in the films, but the older ones made the relationship appear more fun and friendly. If you want Fleming's Bond, look for a mix of Sean Connery and Tim Dalton. If you think Brosnan got bad writing, Dalton got the most ridiculous of villians. The plots weren't too bad, its just that the villians sucked and were completely laughable. Dalton's "Bond scenes" certainly trump Craig's "Bond scenes"--Craig's Bond just has nice Jason Bourne action scenes that people like these days."

11/22/2008 5:08:26 PM

just wanted to chim in, saw the movie today... loved the movie itself but it had the worst theme song of all the films BAR NONE! i wanted to stick red hot pokers in my ears.

11/22/2008 10:31:23 PM

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"but the older ones made the relationship appear more fun and friendly."

i do miss that about the new bond movies.

^

isn't with jack from the white stripes and alicia keys?

both are terrible 'artists'.

[Edited on November 23, 2008 at 1:21 PM. Reason : eh]

11/23/2008 1:20:43 PM

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"isn't with jack from the white stripes and alicia keys? both are terrible 'artists'."

i'm not sure why artists is in quotes, but anyway...

i like both of them somtimes individually, but the collaboration did blow. their styles just dont match

11/23/2008 11:03:01 PM

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"We at AskMen.com made our company outing to see the new Bond last week, and the unanimous consensus was an unfortunate one: Bond is dead. Well, at least Daniel Craig as Bond is dead. Now, this isn’t Craig’s fault; he proved that he was up to the task of becoming the new face for the new franchise in Casino Royale. The new franchise, however, is dead -- murdered by Quantum of Solace’s messy storyline, self-indulgent directing (cutting a foot chase with an opera scene? Blegh), and wavering indecision between Bourne-style rapid-fire action sequences and Brosnan-style over-the-top action sequences. And so, regrettably, the new face must die with it. A scant two years after the “reboot” of the franchise, the system has crashed. And with Universal Pictures’ recent purchase of the exclusive rights to the Jason Bourne character, MGM suddenly has another spy franchise breathing down their neck. It’s time for a fresh start, and that means it’s time for a fresh face. Here are AskMen.com’s top 5 proposals for Daniel Craig’s replacement as 007. We acknowledge that some of our suggestions are fairly dramatic ones, but dire times call for dire measures. 5. Ewan McGregor 4. Joshua Jackson (lolwut?) 3. Chiwetel Ejiofor 2. Jon Hamm 1. Clive Owen"

I can see both sides of the Bond series needing another reboot, even though Craig has done a good job. I didn't post the reasons behind their top 5, but here is the link to see why they picked these 5.

http://www.askmen.com/top_10/celebrity/top-5-daniel-craig-replacements.html

11/25/2008 8:58:25 AM

Ewan McGregor?

Really?

He's a fine actor yes, and I do enjoy most of the films that he has been in but he would make a horrible James Bond. They might as well cast Jake Gyllenhall.

11/25/2008 9:14:11 AM

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"No.5 - Ewan McGregor Three years ago this idea would have been laughable, but the stench of Star Wars has lifted and McGregor has since steered clear of subsuming his persona in blockbuster projects (the notable exception being The Island, but you can’t blame a man for letting himself be cast alongside Scarlett Johansson). Instead, he has focused on producing and promoting his Long Way Round and Long Way Down miniseries, two projects that have done wonders for restoring his masculinity and cool-quotient in other men's eyes, and priming him to follow in the steps of countryman Connery and take on the Bond mantle. Yes, the Connery-McGregor-Scotland connection is a bit of a facile one, but it’s just that kind of thing that studio marketing departments will seize on and ram down our throats until we believe it. Two years ago we were all crowing that Bond has “rebooted"; cast McGregor as 007 and two years from now we’ll be agreeing that the franchise has “rerooted.” "

11/25/2008 9:59:36 AM

about 5 years ago i said Clive Owen would probably make the best Bond out of anyone in the pool. He declined because he didn't want to be defined by the role and lose flexibility in the types of movies he could make. I remember watching Sin City and thinking--Damn he'd be an awesome Bond! But now I'm kinda glad he didn't take the role--not because I dislike the way they've taken the movies, but I don't think he would fit into the way they're trying to make the movies.

I'd like to see them improve the current formula than start all over again though. Craig doesn't need to go, but they need to fix what they've done.

11/25/2008 7:36:41 PM

if they revamp the series again they need to do a total overhaul. As in replace Judy Dench with a new M, return Moneypenny and her and James' witty banter, return Q and the creative (yet believable) gadgetry.


I think Clive Owen would be a great Bond.

11/25/2008 7:43:39 PM

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"the new bond guy sucks, yall r stupid""

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"Haha another laugh from lafta. Nothing you have ever posted has made any sense in any section."

haha, now who's laughing

11/26/2008 2:29:46 AM

I still like the new Bond

I just didn't like the new Bond movie



not enough plot, way too many chase scenes (a plane chase scene, really?) and not enough of Bond just being a pimp with quick wit and shit.


The writers blewwwwwww itttttt

11/26/2008 9:38:24 PM

fuck shaky cam. Anyone who uses it should be shot.

11/26/2008 10:02:25 PM

Daniel Craig is a great Bond he can't help that they fucked up the movie

I seriously can't see anyone else in the role after this

11/27/2008 1:54:55 AM

I haven't seen this movie yet. What's the consensus? Yay or nay?

11/27/2008 6:07:21 AM

^ not a terrible movie, but no where near as good as casino royale

11/27/2008 9:03:24 AM

Watch it with the mindset that:

(1) It immediately follows Casino Royale (which it does). Re-watch Casino Royale before you go.

(2) There's more to follow, i.e. the story isn't over.


Don't expect a self-contained Bond movie like you've seen in the past.

11/27/2008 9:11:49 AM

an excellent film for the thinker.... not so great for the passive watcher.

And I thought that Russian chic was a proper sidekick for this movie, her eyes were amazing....

11/28/2008 12:33:25 AM

^^Having a different mindset doesn't fix terrible writing.

^Are you kidding me? You have it backwards. Movie's perfect for the casual moviegoer who doesn't give a fuck about a good story.

Terrible for people that will actually think about what they are seeing and recognize the god-awful writing.

[Edited on November 28, 2008 at 12:39 AM. Reason : fdsh]

11/28/2008 12:38:11 AM

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"haha, now who's laughing"

It's askmen.com wow. You are a dumbass. Not everyone is going like every movie.

I still maintain you are one of the dumbest posters on this site.

This movie is making good at the box office which means everyone hates Craig.

11/28/2008 11:43:47 AM

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"I still maintain you are one of the dumbest posters on this site."

i, too, maintain this.

11/28/2008 12:02:14 PM

I'm sorry but Judy Dench rocks. And I'm not making any decision on bond till the next one, I think he'll be more bondish in the next film because he is finally BOND... hence the closing gun barrel scene.

11/28/2008 4:56:54 PM

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"Craig doesn't need to go, but they need to fix what they've done."

[Edited on November 28, 2008 at 6:07 PM. Reason : also, i like Judy Dench but it would be awesome if they replaced her with connery]

11/28/2008 6:06:29 PM

Saw it again with the family yesterday.

I still enjoy it and Daniel Craig.

11/28/2008 10:22:36 PM

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"This movie is making good at the box office which means everyone hates Craig."

you're right, if it did well at the box office then it must mean daniel craig is a good bond and quantum solace must be a good movie.

the fact is not only is casino royal barely a bond movie, this goes even further breaking almost every tradition of a bond movie. casino royal did the worst thing by leaving you feeling sad, thats not a bond movie at all.

so were those two movies good? yes. Should they be bond movies? most definately not.

if they want to start a new franchise go ahead, but why wreck a good franchise unnecessarily.

its like they're just using the name to get popular and steal the thunder.
its like making a teenage mutant ninja turtles 4 but instead of turtles they're hamsters, and instead of fighting crime they bake cookies.

yeah thats what i think of daniel craig movies

11/30/2008 11:56:20 PM

^I'm a die hard 007 fan and have seen every single film numerous times. And I love the new DC ones.

Hell, just saw Quantum of Solace for the 2nd time this weekend, still rocked!

12/1/2008 1:59:21 PM

I am a big 007 fan. I like the the new ideas and new wave of Bond. To me and to others I hang with who enjoy Bond we all feel that it is a good new wave of Bond movies. I definitely fee it has a different style and edge, but why not change the style and have leeway here and there with different thoughts.


III

12/1/2008 5:40:39 PM

I liked it, but it was a lot like the Bourne movies in that there is an excess of thoughtless killing and slaughter. Bourne had more of a streamlined plot that continued to unravel as the movie progresses, where as Solace pulled the very predictable theme of the "rouge" agent that is loyal to his country but does it his own way. Bourne can pull this off because he does not have any agency ties, but it is hard to believe that Bond can play the rouge agent without being held accountable in the end.

The creepy part of the last scene was how he basically coached someone through an execution. Since when was Bond that ruthless?

12/3/2008 12:00:17 AM

I saw it this past Saturday and liked it. The ending was a little blah and it should be interesting to see where they go with it next movie. White is still alive and kicking and we never really got that much information about Quantum...

On a happy note, Olga Kurylenko was so hot in this movie...

12/3/2008 12:05:22 AM

Not very impressed. It was a so-so action movie, reminded me of a Transporter movie more than a James Bond movie.

12/3/2008 12:14:11 AM

no Q or Q-like person - what kind of bullshit is that - the touchscreen table didn't make up for the lack of new toys

12/3/2008 10:11:01 AM

It's a different kind of Bond. Yes.. he doesn't have the all-in-one toothbrush with built in cloaking device and laser beam.

Accept the movie for what it is. Get over it.

12/3/2008 1:23:14 PM

AND HIS ASTON MARTIN WASN'T INVISIBLE IN THIS ONE!!! WTF?!?!?!

12/3/2008 1:27:02 PM

^ok so you and some others dont care for the traditions of 007
then answer me this, if they decided to make a movie with virtually no resemblance of a bond movie, then why call it a bond movie
why not start a new franchise

its like making a jurrasic park 5, except instead of having dinosaurs it would be about a girls comming of age story

12/3/2008 8:46:49 PM

The Bourne European

12/3/2008 8:54:52 PM

fudge

[Edited on December 3, 2008 at 8:55 PM. Reason : double post]

12/3/2008 8:54:52 PM

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"Daniel Craig is a great Bond he can't help that they fucked up the movie I seriously can't see anyone else in the role after this"

Yeah, it was better than any of the Pierce Brosnan ones I saw

But the action sequences were not as well done as Casino Royale

12/3/2008 10:06:22 PM

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"liked it, but it was a lot like the Bourne movies in that there is an excess of thoughtless killing and slaughter. "

I gotta disagree with this. I don't even remember him killing regular bad guys except for the assets that were sent after him. He beat the shit out of dudes a lot but he hardly killed them. Bond killed a lot of guys that didn't really need to be killed.

12/3/2008 10:29:49 PM

^^

agreed.
My favorite fight scene is the very first in CR. the B&W one in the men's room.

I still have a little trouble with things like running up cranes and swinging around upside down
from a rope.

12/4/2008 8:53:02 AM

I really really liked this movie

The only thing I didnt like was the opening song. total crap


Loved how you could see bond evolving into the smooth operator that he is supposed to be. Still a little rough around the edges but getting to badass bond.

Will own along with CR

12/6/2008 1:06:13 AM

Big Lots is having almost all of the 007 DVDs for $4. I found almost all of Roger Moores, almost all of Pierce Brosnan, a few of Timothy Dalton, and the one George Lazenby film. No Sean Connery in the Big Lots on Western when I checked. And none of the current Daniel Craig ones.

I got them for my brother, upgrading him from some of his VHS

Just. Putting this out there. Heh.

12/6/2008 10:23:08 AM

finally saw this online, it was awsome
way better than casino royal,
in fact this was more of a bond movie than CR, but still needs some work but i give it a thumbs up

12/10/2008 12:02:21 AM

wut

12/10/2008 1:14:18 AM

^^^^I actually liked the opening credits title song.

^^^SWEET, I need to finish my collection (7 short).

12/10/2008 10:42:50 AM

So I bought the first two sets of Bond on Blu-Ray... does anyone know when the others will be coming out? Sometime in '09 I hope.

The first two boxed sets are:
Dr. No
Live and Let Die
Die Another Die
For Your Eyes Only
From Russia With Love -> the best Bond movie of all time IMO
Thunderball

[Edited on December 13, 2008 at 9:37 PM. Reason : x]

12/13/2008 9:36:43 PM

I had little to no idea WTF was going on most of the time. Good action (except for the shaky cam at the beginning), but too confusing. I still like Craig though.

[Edited on December 13, 2008 at 11:16 PM. Reason : .]

12/13/2008 11:14:54 PM

I really didnt have that much trouble following what was going on. Watching CR beforehand would have been nice but I didnt feel it was necessary after the fact.


I, too, like daniel craig as bond

12/13/2008 11:23:56 PM

i think its similar to some other bond movies where they find a thread or person, follow that guy up the food chain. so you dont really dont know whats going on to the end.

12/15/2008 11:30:32 AM