Watching the USS McCain/Palin ship go down in a tumble has been such a culminating fun thing for us dems! Additionally, it's good to see this thread full of crying wingnuts is still out there.

Let me tell you, it's a real fucking treat to see all of the thrashing as the election comes to a close!

10/17/2008 12:51:36 PM

don't worry. it will be just as nice to see you libs try and explain away the mess that Obama creates. I reckon that Obama himself will responsible for at least 2 or 3 terms of Republican presidents, and at least 2 republican landslides in congressional elections.

10/19/2008 12:29:30 AM

^ So the cycle will continue, basically?

2008 Voter: "This sucks. Let's try the other party."

2012 Voter: "Well, that failed. Let's try the other party."

2016 Voter: "No, still bad. Let's try the other party."

[Edited on October 19, 2008 at 12:32 AM. Reason : try]

10/19/2008 12:32:06 AM

Obama will be handed an irresponsible financial debt, the GOP was handed a responsible financial surplus.

Any idiot understands this.

Hopefully the democrats can clean it up, but if they cannot only a moron would suggest it's his fault.

That's like saying when an irresponsible idiot spills paint on the carpet and then another person comes in and takes over to try and clean up the paint, that responsible person will be suddenly blamed for not getting all of the paint stain out of the carpet in under 30 minutes.

Great strategy, brilliant. No wonder we are so fucked right now.

The original painter should of done his due diligence to prevent the paint from staining the carpet. He should of been aware of where the paint was and taken precaution to prevent it from spilling in the first place. The truth of the matter is, the original painter didn't know how to paint or any of the guidelines to follow to avoid catastrophe. Instead of admitting that, the original painter will bitch and moan at the new painter, who is an actual painter, and whine about his inability to get all of the paint out of the carpet.

The GOP won't have a landslide victory for at least two presidential election cycles, mark my words.

[Edited on October 19, 2008 at 7:45 AM. Reason : -]

10/19/2008 7:41:41 AM

he hasnt CHANGED stimwalts knowledge of history yet?


we were entering a recession caused by clinton when bush took office, we are in the financial mess we are in now because of clintons policies forcing banks to make loans they would never make on their own.

read up on it buddy

10/19/2008 8:58:48 AM

I find it amusing that the democrats are assuming that Obama will win. The election has not occurred yet.

10/19/2008 9:47:55 AM

Quote :

" SACRAMENTO -- The owner of a firm that the California Republican Party hired to register tens of thousands of voters this year was arrested in Ontario late last night on suspicion of voter registration fraud. State and local investigators allege that Mark Jacoby fraudulently registered himself to vote at a childhood California address where he no longer lives so he would appear to meet the legal requirement that signature gatherers be eligible to vote in California. Jacoby's arrest by state investigators and the Ontario Police Department comes after dozens of voters said they were duped into registering as Republicans by his firm, Young Political Majors, or YPM. The voters said YPM tricked them by saying they were signing a petition to toughen penalties against child molesters. The firm was paid $7 to $12 for every Californian it registered as a member of the GOP."

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-fraud20-2008oct20,0,3842357.story

10/20/2008 11:18:03 AM

Quote :

"he hasnt CHANGED stimwalts knowledge of history yet? we were entering a recession caused by clinton when bush took office, we are in the financial mess we are in now because of clintons policies forcing banks to make loans they would never make on their own. read up on it buddy"

You're still just as dumb and gullible as ever.

The Securities and Exchange Commission can blame itself for the current crisis. The SEC allowed five firms — the three that have collapsed plus Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley — to more than double the leverage they were allowed to keep on their balance sheets and remove discounts that had been applied to the assets they had been required to keep to protect them from defaults. Using computerized models, the SEC, under its new Consolidated Supervised Entities program, allowed the broker dealers to increase their debt-to-net-capital ratios, sometimes, as in the case of Merrill Lynch, to as high as 40-to-1. The SEC modification in 2004 is the primary reason for all of the losses that have occurred.

[Edited on October 20, 2008 at 7:29 PM. Reason : -]

10/20/2008 7:07:23 PM

I ran into a few non-citizens while canvassing last night. This shouldn't happen, as our lists supposedly come from voter rolls. Some folks who swore they hadn't registered as well. Make of that what you will.

10/21/2008 12:00:24 PM

Who were you canvassing for?

Were they the right names? New residents? How would they vote? Fake registrations are annoying...but fake people aren't going to show up at the polls to vote.

[Edited on October 21, 2008 at 5:14 PM. Reason : .]

10/21/2008 5:12:53 PM

As noted earlier in the thread, I'm canvassing for ACORN. I agree the non-citizens aren't going to show to the polls. They know they can't vote, even if they appear on my little list.

10/23/2008 1:36:35 AM

^From what I read, ACORN and other vote drive groups get their lists from the same places telemarketers do. That's why someone's dead goldfish in Ohio got campaign and voter registration pamphlets in the mail (family signed up for something under the goldfish name, I've done that on internet registration shit before myself.)

10/23/2008 1:43:29 AM

I don't know where they get the names, but they tell me anyone on the list should be a registered voter. I assume they get them from the county clerk.

10/23/2008 2:03:26 AM

Acorn Report Raises Issues of Legality

Quote :

"An internal report by a lawyer for the community organizing group Acorn raises questions about whether the web of relationships among its 174 affiliates may have led to violations of federal laws."

Quote :

"The June 18 report, written by Elizabeth Kingsley, a Washington lawyer, spells out her concerns about potentially improper use of charitable dollars for political purposes; money transfers among the affiliates; and potential conflicts created by employees working for multiple affiliates, among other things. It also offers a different account of the embezzlement of almost $1 million by the brother of Acorn’s founder, Wade Rathke, than the one the organization gave in July, when word of the theft became public. 'A full analysis of potential liability will require consultation with a knowledgeable white-collar criminal attorney,' Ms. Kingsley wrote of the embezzlement, which occurred in 2000 but was not disclosed until this summer."

Quote :

"Over the weekend, Ms. Kingsley said, the national board adopted several good-governance policies, like appointing an audit committee for the first time. Disclosure of her report, which was distributed to Acorn and 10 affiliates, increases pressure on the organization at a particularly troublesome time. Besides the inquiries into its voter registration efforts, Acorn faces demands for back taxes by the Internal Revenue Service and various state tax authorities. At the same time, foundations that have backed Acorn are withholding support."

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/22/us/22acorn.html?_r=1

If a right-leaning group were doing any of this, some of you would be going apeshit--and you know it. ACORN is a cesspool of questionable activities and it needs to be cleaned up, regardless of its effect on presidential elections.

10/23/2008 2:39:27 AM

Yeah a lot of these voter registration groups seem to be plagued with a mix of incompetence, naivete, and corruption. I remember in 2004 a group got in trouble for throwing out or tearing up a lot of the democratic registrations- although in that case it was the head of the company doing a lot of it. One of the more honest employees (also a republican) was the one who turned him in on that one. They had also had problems with turning in false registrations to meet quotas.

While I love the idea of getting people to vote and helping people register, there seems to be problems inherent in paying-per-registration and even more so in paying-per-(insert political affiliation here)-registration. The company mentioned above had also been accused of re-registering already registered voters under a different party without their consent.

ACORN should probably dissolve itself- handing over assets to pay back taxes and passing the remainder along to more competent and less tarnished voter registration groups.

[Edited on October 23, 2008 at 3:20 AM. Reason : ]

10/23/2008 3:19:24 AM

^ And what about this?

Quote :

"Yesterday, ACORN's political action committee endorsed Barack Obama for President."

http://www.thenation.com/blogs/campaignmatters?bid=45&pid=289192

If an organization is going to accept taxpayer money and also be in the business of voter registration, it ought to get out of the business of endorsements or stop accepting taxpayer money.

10/23/2008 3:45:54 AM

Huh? What about my post are you referring to? I said they should dissolve themselves and pay their back taxes.

10/23/2008 3:51:07 AM

^ I was simply adding the endorsement fact to the mix.

10/23/2008 4:07:53 AM

Do you really trust something you've read on "The Nation" they're probably just trying to smear Obama so that the Cynthia McKinney will win.

10/23/2008 4:21:33 AM

^ Um. . .sarcasm? It's widely known that ACORN endorsed Obama.

10/23/2008 4:39:23 AM

Yeah I was joking. I enjoyed that you used such a liberal source. It would be kind of like me citing O'Reilly as a source for something.

10/23/2008 5:28:00 AM

^ Well, I do what I can to keep the moonbats happy. You know, they start howling "FAUX NEWS!!!1" and shit if I use anything to the right of, say, the LA Times.

10/23/2008 5:40:21 AM

Quote :

"It's widely known that ACORN endorsed Obama."

You know who endorses McCain? A lynch mob of thousands of froth-mouthed, cretinous, racist rednecks who steal and deface signs and harrass people at polls. And McCain created it.

10/23/2008 12:07:17 PM

Quote :

"ACORN should probably dissolve itself- handing over assets to pay back taxes and passing the remainder along to more competent and less tarnished voter registration groups."

When do organizations ever do anything like that? Self-preservation comes first. Remember, ACORN has a few hundred thousand member families and chapters across the county. They ain't to going to simply disband.

10/23/2008 1:28:11 PM

I don't mean disband and go away- I mean break itself up and be absorbed by organizations who aren't under so much fire. I mean the name ACORN isn't known by the public for much else besides this scandal, so their name isn't an asset it's a liability.

10/23/2008 1:32:06 PM

Interesting idea, but do organizations ever do that sort of thing voluntarily? Strikes me as contrary to the interest of folks running ACORN. They'd presumably lose power.

10/23/2008 1:35:47 PM

Oh no I don't expect them to. It's kind of like when people said "John McCain should get rid of Palin"

It's not like most people really thought he would.

10/23/2008 1:37:28 PM

I suspect ACORN will continue to cause trouble for many elections to come.

10/23/2008 1:43:39 PM

Cops got me tonight. I apparently scared some pregnant woman while I was wandering around and looking for the houses on my list. Four of Albuquerque's finest. They put the lights on me, made me drop the palm pilot I was holding. Said the stylus looked like a shank. Grabbed my hands, searched me. The usual. Talked shit about ACORN. Then let me go.

Never a dull moment at this job.

10/25/2008 12:21:39 AM

at the top of cnn

http://www.essence.com/news_entertainment/news/articles/thetruthaboutacorn?xid=102208-CNN-Acornlink

Quote :

"ESSENCE.COM: Okay, but how do you explain these latest charges? LEWIS: All we have are unfounded allegations and exaggerations. We find it peculiar that two weeks before the election, all of a sudden they find a few thousand suspicious cards. This was an 18-month effort by 13,000 workers. So naturally, less than 1 percent of our cards may be suspicious. But all of this so-called evidence they have against us-we're the ones that said, "Look at these cards and investigate." We flagged any suspicious cards because when you do voter registration you have to turn in every card, even if it has Mickey Mouse on it. We have to turn it in. We're the ones that fired workers for turning in suspicious cards. We believe this is really about the Republicans' attempt, once again, to suppress the vote. We believe the reason behind it is because we've registered 100 percent low- and moderate-income people. Seventy percent of those folks are Black and Brown and half of them are under the age of 30. So at the very least, you will have over a million new Black and Brown lower- and moderate-income young voters coming out to the polls. They historically have been disenfranchised, and now you have this enormous turnout, and most of them arguably are Democratic. ESSENCE.COM: How did the fraudulent registration cards come about? Are you saying they were all accidental? LEWIS: For those who are actually serving time right now, they have said on television and in the press, "Hey, I wanted to get paid. Why should I stand in the hot sun, why should I stand in the freezing cold, why should I walk block after block? I can just sit down, make up these names, and get paid." They've confessed to this. So if anyone has been defrauded, it's ACORN. We had 13,000 workers for over 18 months. We know a couple bad apples may defraud us. We were paying them by the hour; they came back with suspicious cards just to get a paycheck. If we think they're doing this, we fire them immediately and turn in their personnel records to law enforcement. Every ACORN worker over the past eight years who's been convicted-guess who turned them in? ACORN did. ESSENCE.COM: How might voter registration fraud lead to actual voter fraud? LEWIS: What they're trying to put into people's minds is that Mickey Mouse and Tony Romo would actually show up to vote. Let me give you some real facts: Between 20002 and 2005, only 38 people were accused of attempting to vote under someone else's name. None of them had anything to do with ACORN. Your chances of being hit by lightning are greater than the chances of people actually doing a fraudulent vote. "

Just as long as they deal with any real problems appropriately, they shouldn't have to disband just because they have to defend against noise. Accusations aren't convictions. Their handling of the criticism has been bad (you should nip criticism immediately and forcefully, not let it fester), but they probably don't want to devote a budget for a PR campaign because their employers aren't affected by the criticism.


[Edited on October 25, 2008 at 12:50 AM. Reason : .]

10/25/2008 12:30:22 AM

Group's Tally of New Voters Was Vastly Overstated

Quote :

"On Oct. 6, the community organizing group Acorn and an affiliated charity called Project Vote announced with jubilation that they had registered 1.3 million new voters. But it turns out the claim was a wild exaggeration, and the real number of newly registered voters nationwide is closer to 450,000, Project Vote's executive director, Michael Slater, said in an interview."

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/24/us/politics/24acorn.html?pagewanted=1

10/26/2008 5:06:56 AM

[Edited on October 26, 2008 at 5:25 AM. Reason : fixed it for ya, thanks ]

10/26/2008 5:18:10 AM

^ FAIL

Quote :

"PwN3d! I don't mind you using these images, but it's rude to link to them directly. Do us both a favor and host them on your own server, k?"

10/26/2008 5:20:40 AM

bump per request

4/3/2009 7:18:09 PM

I didn't request the bump, but I stumbled across this. Yeah, the source is probably some right-wing nutjob place, but it gives references to actual court testimony regarding ACORN.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/warner-todd-huston/2009/03/31/nytimes-killed-story-crooked-obama-donor

how do you like the "fair" NY Times now?

4/3/2009 9:50:57 PM

bump by request

4/5/2009 10:16:36 AM

they stole ever single swing state

4/5/2009 11:49:12 PM

that's not really the point, dumbass.

4/6/2009 2:27:41 PM

bump by request

9/10/2009 9:11:44 PM

preemptive

[Edited on September 10, 2009 at 9:13 PM. Reason : ]

9/10/2009 9:12:56 PM

ACORN fires 2 workers seen in hidden-camera footage advising woman posing as prostitute

Quote :

"BALTIMORE (AP) — The group ACORN has fired two employees who were seen on hidden-camera video giving tax advice to a man posing as a pimp and a woman who pretended to be a prostitute."

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/wire/sns-ap-us-acorn-hidden-camera,0,967326.story

9/10/2009 9:14:30 PM

This sounds like 2 employees trying to be helpful that happen to work for ACORN, not 2 ACORN employees.

I doubt they are tax attorneys which means they shouldn't be giving this sort of advice anyway, no matter who employs them.

On an outrage scale, where should I be on this one cookslaw? I'm guessing you want me at a 12, but I'm only feelin like a .5 on this one.

9/10/2009 9:17:45 PM

Quote :

"In a statement, ACORN Maryland board member Margaret Williams said the video was an attempt to smear ACORN, and that undercover teams attempted similar setups in at least three other ACORN offices. Williams said no tax returns were filed and no assistance was provided."

So really, FOX dangled this type of crap in front of multiple offices until someone bit.

OMG ACORN.

a) does this say anything about ACORN as an orgnaization?

b) they were fired. So, umm... what's the uproar about?



I admit that I'm impressed that FOX has been doing any investigative journalism at all, though. If only they'd have been interested in this during the Bush administration.

9/10/2009 9:23:22 PM

Quote :

"ACORN has over 400,000 members and more than 850 neighborhood chapters in over 100 cities across the United States, as well as in Argentina, Canada, Mexico, and Peru. ACORN was founded in 1970 by Wade Rathke and Gary Delgado.[1] Maude Hurd has been National President of ACORN since 1990."

9/10/2009 9:43:56 PM

Oh, hacksaw...

9/10/2009 11:10:17 PM

Quote :

"On an outrage scale, where should I be on this one cookslaw? I'm guessing you want me at a 12, but I'm only feelin like a .5 on this one."

9/11/2009 10:09:25 AM

Quote :

"On Oct. 6, the community organizing group Acorn and an affiliated charity called Project Vote announced with jubilation that they had registered 1.3 million new voters. But it turns out the claim was a wild exaggeration, and the real number of newly registered voters nationwide is closer to 450,000, Project Vote's executive director, Michael Slater, said in an interview.""

The thing is, they just registered all of them 3 times, so they did get 1.3 million

9/11/2009 11:44:50 AM

saw this on cnn and thought "i bet hooksaw posted this"...and here it is!

9/11/2009 12:21:47 PM

Senate Votes to Cut off ACORN Housing Funds

This afternoon the Senate voted 83 to 7 to accept the Johanns Amendment # 2355 to H.R. 3288, the THUD Appropriations Bill... Developing...

(From Drudge, obviously)

9/14/2009 6:25:49 PM

Census Bureau Drops Acorn From 2010 Effort

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/12/us/politics/12acorn.html

ACORN scandal gaining attention, Brooklyn DA to investigate. . . .

Quote :

"Three videos have been released thus far, one each from ACORN offices in Baltimore, Washington, D.C. and Brooklyn. Andrew Breitbart of BigGovernment.com said Monday night on the Hannity show, which airs on Fox News, that ACORN would suffer another major hit on Tuesday."

http://tinyurl.com/poutbo

9/15/2009 4:35:48 AM