just lih's: (F)
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BubbleBobble

3/28/2009 12:43:38 AM

The closest answer for me is (B).

I don't think that God usually takes an active hand in evolution, but I think He introduced life and set up the framework for the process. I also think that He took at least a somewhat more active approach in shaping humans. Other than those things, I'm an (A) guy, but obviously those exceptions are pretty major.

3/28/2009 1:35:38 AM

Sean here is an (A)
i mean, i spent most of my early life in the church.
and i spent the other part of my early life reading every and any book i could get my hands on.

i understand why people believe in God/supreme being/whatever, and i still pray. sometimes.

but i think it's absolutely insane to think that there is 'someone' somehow 'guiding' along the natural changes happening to species even as we speak. that requires a mindset that i just cannot force myself in to. I feel that God is a human creation.

but hey, i could be wrong and i'll be first in line to the lake of fire after i die cause i've lived a dirty, dirty life

3/28/2009 7:15:11 AM

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"I feel that God is a human creation."

I agree.

Quote :

"He"

And this was the first anecdotal evidence that led me to believe that god is a human creation. "He"? Come on.... "He"? So god is a male? What the fuck? I feel that patriarchy is one of the most destructive things to ever exist among human society. There is simply no excuse for those that suggest that "men > women" -- that is 100% false, and everyone should know that. The abrahamic god is the "Father" (read: boss), some believe "he" had a mortal son (read: not a daughter), and the entire culture and history of these faiths are inexcusably patriarchal. This is clearly bullshit -- and I realized this around the age of 13. Don't get me wrong -- I'm a foxhole (zerotheist) atheist, but I have infinitely more respect for those who believe in a genderless and anthropoperipheral god than those who believe in a male or female anthropocentric god. I mean, come on... "He"? Whatever....




darwinian evolution: (A)
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Willy Nilly, miska, ALkatraz, Stimwalt, Tiberius, stowaway, Arab13, nastoute, HockeyRoman, Flying Tiger, puppy,
Walter, jataylor, evan, djeternal, Smath74, DeltaBeta, zorthage, Fareako, Supplanter, Cyphr_Sonic, tromboner950,
ShawnaC123, jwb9984, Str8Foolish, goalielax, bubster5041, hgtran, Fermata, joe17669, BigEgo, umop-apisdn, Kodiak,
khcadwal??, vinylbandit, agentlion, bassman803

divine evolution: (B)
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Joie, supercalo, 0EPII1, sawahash, dagreenone, icyhotpatch, jackleg, punchmonk, tchenku, grimx, GoldenGirl,
AndyMac, Bird, fleetwud, quagmire02, bottombaby, sglazier, GrumpyGOP

no evolution: (C)
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maximus, Quinn

unsure: (D)
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BridgetSPK, BubbleBobble

3/28/2009 9:00:40 AM

Quote :

""He"? Come on.... "He"? So god is a male? What the fuck?"

I apologize that the English language has not yet adopted a unique pronoun for supreme beings. Until they do, I will continue to use the pronoun most commonly used in situations where gender is unknown or nonexistent.

3/28/2009 12:32:04 PM

^
Wouldn't the pronoun most commonly used in situations where gender is unknown or nonexistent be "she" or "it"?... and not "he"?
But whatever... I was really just referring to people who actually think god is male, or that god regards males as being better than females.... Patriarchal god for the lose. (Matriarchal god for the lose, also...)

[Edited on March 28, 2009 at 12:40 PM. Reason : ]

3/28/2009 12:37:40 PM

^no

3/28/2009 3:39:30 PM

A

3/28/2009 3:48:31 PM

B....although I would think there is a drastic different between evolution and adaptation...

There are so many ways to prove A wrong - such as why alligators have been around for 300,000,000 years, yet their essentially the same damn carbon make up they were then. Thing a pile of ooze took a shit on a rock and spawned life as we know it makes humans look like idiots.

3/28/2009 3:50:50 PM

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"I feel that patriarchy is one of the most destructive things to ever exist among human society. "

It really isn't society's decision - for as long as life as we know it has existed in any soul form the male is the dominant organism in not only size but survival aspects

3/28/2009 3:53:17 PM

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"There are so many ways to prove A wrong - such as why alligators have been around for 300,000,000 years, yet their essentially the same damn carbon make up they were then."

wat? how the fuck does that prove A wrong, precisely?

3/28/2009 3:55:05 PM

im gonna prove to you ^^^ that u should use "they're" instead of "their"

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"I would think there is a drastic different between evolution and adaptation... "

and yes without a doubt a HUGE difference between evolution and adaptation, so different that adaptation has no place in this thread

adaptation occurs within an organism during its own lifetime



[Edited on March 28, 2009 at 3:59 PM. Reason : df]

3/28/2009 3:56:32 PM

itoo, want to be in a category

3/28/2009 4:17:32 PM

Where is the Aliens choice?

If God did exist, he'd probably just be an Alien and humans make up all sorts of shit about them because thats how we do.

[Edited on March 28, 2009 at 4:20 PM. Reason : d]

3/28/2009 4:20:10 PM

i actually think we devolved . . . not evolved from any thing.

3/28/2009 4:25:30 PM

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"Wouldn't the pronoun most commonly used in situations where gender is unknown or nonexistent be "she" or "it"?... and not "he"?"

It would never be "she," in English. I defy you to demonstrate otherwise. It would be just as fair, gender-wise, to say "she," but that is not the most common pronoun in such cases, and I can't imagine what line of bullshit you'd use to propose such an argument. We use "he" in vague cases. Maybe that's shitty, maybe that's wrong, but that's how it is.

"When a person must, he does..."
"When a person must, she does..."

Which one of these occurs more often overall in speaking about people whose identity or gender is left undescribed?

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"I was really just referring to people who actually think god is male, or that god regards males as being better than females"

I essentially agree on this point. I don't think God has a gender. Of course, I do think, as per Christian tradition, that God has a mortal son. You could see that as biased, or you could see that as, "Well, God had to have a mortal offspring of some specific gender, because a hermaphrodite Jesus would've been kind of weird." As to why said offspring had disciples of exclusively one gender, well, I'll assume (until a superior argument presents itself in this context) that the social climate of the time meant that men would be better suited for the job.

As to my own denomination's insistence that only men can be priests, I maintain no position. I think that it is entirely possible, despite the basic biological differences between men and women, that women are equally well suited to be part of the clergy. I may even think that it is probable. But within my religion, I agree with the vast majority of women who don't think it's worth causing another split over.

3/29/2009 2:49:26 AM

a

3/29/2009 3:04:00 AM

don't care: (E)
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synapse, wolfpackgrrr

3/29/2009 4:46:54 AM

Quote :

"There are so many ways to prove A wrong - such as why alligators have been around for 300,000,000 years, yet their essentially the same damn carbon make up they were then. Thing a pile of ooze took a shit on a rock and spawned life as we know it makes humans look like idiots."

What are you talking about? Just because some animals change over time, doesn't mean they all have to change. There are other species that haven't changed much in a while either. That does not prove evolution wrong, it just shows it didn't occur in that particular species.
What makes humans look like idiots is thinking there is a man in the sky making everything happen.

3/29/2009 8:19:07 AM

^^ Yay someone agrees with me

3/29/2009 8:31:10 AM

A

3/29/2009 8:40:01 AM

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"darwinian evolution = Plants and animals adapted to their environments through random mutations and/or natural selection"

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"i have a prob with this definition, creatures do not adapt to environments randomly through mutations"

That's why it says, "and/or". If you agree with one or both, then you're in that category. It was meant to define the category -- not the terms "darwinian evolution" or "natural evoltion"....

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"I feel that patriarchy is one of the most destructive things to ever exist among human society."

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"It really isn't society's decision - for as long as life as we know it has existed in any soul form the male is the dominant organism in not only size but survival aspects "

Sure it's society's decision. (you should read up on anthropology...)
(Also, a soul is religious idea, not a scientific one.)

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"It would never be "she," in English. I defy you to demonstrate otherwise. It would be just as fair, gender-wise, to say "she," but that is not the most common pronoun in such cases, and I can't imagine what line of bullshit you'd use to propose such an argument. We use "he" in vague cases. Maybe that's shitty, maybe that's wrong, but that's how it is. "When a person must, he does..." "When a person must, she does..." Which one of these occurs more often overall in speaking about people whose identity or gender is left undescribed?"

But you didn't limit it to "speaking about people". Certainly, when you're only talking about unknow human gender, we generally say "he" -- that's a part or remnant of the patriarchy I was referring to. But you said, "the pronoun most commonly used in situations where gender is unknown or nonexistent". Perhaps these deserve separate considerations.

For unknown gender, if you're talking about a human, then yes, it's most often that you hear, "When a person must, he does...," but for other things of gender (other sexual animals,) you hear both, "When the bald eagle must, he does...", "When the spider must, she does...", "When the dog must, he does...", "When the cat must, she does..." etc. Also, it's a regional thing. Many mid-westernerns call almost everything "she".

For non-existent gender, I'm just not sure how you'd get "he" from anything except the anthropomorphized god, which would then follow the above mentioned "human=he" tendancy. But with objects: "The Earth... she is a beauty...", "My yacht... she's great -- I've had her for 10 years...", "Ain't my chevy sweet? She's in factory condition.", etc. And of course, for genderless objects, how can anyone suggest that "it" isn't used more often than "he" and "she" combined? "It is a nice day.", "What time is it?", "Buy it, then own it, then sell it.", "Sorry, it's cancer.", etc.

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"I don't think God has a gender. Of course, I do think, as per Christian tradition, that God has a mortal son"

Yeah, that's confusing. Whatever, though -- that's your belief.





darwinian evolution: (A)
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Willy Nilly, miska, ALkatraz, Stimwalt, Tiberius, stowaway, Arab13, nastoute, HockeyRoman, Flying Tiger, puppy,
Walter, jataylor, evan, djeternal, Smath74, DeltaBeta, zorthage, Fareako, Supplanter, Cyphr_Sonic, tromboner950,
ShawnaC123, jwb9984, Str8Foolish, goalielax, bubster5041, hgtran, Fermata, joe17669, BigEgo, umop-apisdn, Kodiak,
khcadwal??, vinylbandit, agentlion, bassman803, jetskipro, not dnl, ParksNrec

divine evolution: (B)
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Joie, supercalo, 0EPII1, sawahash, dagreenone, icyhotpatch, jackleg, punchmonk, tchenku, grimx, GoldenGirl,
AndyMac, Bird, fleetwud, quagmire02, bottombaby, sglazier, GrumpyGOP, homeslice11

no evolution: (C)
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maximus, Quinn

unsure: (D)
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BridgetSPK, BubbleBobble, GroundBeef?

don't care: (E)
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synapse, wolfpackgrrr

[Edited on March 29, 2009 at 10:08 AM. Reason : ]

3/29/2009 10:07:06 AM

A!

3/29/2009 11:12:10 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpQ4c3b_RJ8

3/29/2009 1:48:34 PM

[Edited on March 29, 2009 at 9:50 PM. Reason : .]

3/29/2009 9:50:15 PM

B

3/29/2009 10:47:45 PM

we should make people explain themselves

I'm certain that Buddah would like to know who plays on his team

3/29/2009 10:48:46 PM

This thread is way too serious for retarded-ass chit chat.

3/29/2009 10:50:49 PM

your perception

not ours

3/29/2009 10:51:38 PM