pianalto has a dislocated foot. ouch

9/12/2009 4:20:28 PM

You guys can catch Hakeem tomorrow at 4 on FOX

9/12/2009 5:27:06 PM

This got me thinking today...why does holding in your own endzone result in 2 points? Is it a given that without the holding, the quarterback would be sacked? Pass interference in the endzone doesnt result in a touchdown. This is the only penalty that actually results in points being put on the board. I dunno, maybe Im just biased and bitter, but...if there is ever an example of refs handing a win to a team, this was it.

9/13/2009 2:07:02 AM

in general, any penalty which occurs in the offense's endzone against the offense incurs a safety. Just like any penalty in the defense's endzone against the defense results in the ball being placed on the 1 yard-line (IIRC)

9/13/2009 2:14:01 AM

so put the ball on the 1 yard line (to reward the D).

Also that was such a questionable holding call. It looked like Quinn stumbled and the guy just rode him to the ground, he didn't hold him down or anything.

I've watched thousands of football games and ive never ever seen that called except for pop warner and maybe in some podunk high school game.

9/13/2009 8:37:34 AM

It's a safety because if you're committing a penalty in your own endzone the ball is most likely already on your own 5 yard line or less anyway. So, if the only penalty was to place the ball at your own 1 yd line again then it isn't a penalty at all really. In fact, you would be holding, blocking in the back, face mask, etc ALL day because there would be no repercussions from it. You'd help your QB avoid the sack AND get another free play after the penalty was called.

9/13/2009 8:49:05 AM

^That same logic could be applied for pass interference calls in the endzone. You could pass 100 times from the 1-yard line and the defense would just keep nailing WR's before the ball got there, no reason to let them even come close to catching it.

9/13/2009 9:41:49 AM

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"I've watched thousands of football games and ive never ever seen that called except for pop warner and maybe in some podunk high school game."

Riding a defender to the ground like that is about as blatant as holding gets. You need to pay better attention.

9/13/2009 2:45:02 PM

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"^That same logic could be applied for pass interference calls in the endzone. You could pass 100 times from the 1-yard line and the defense would just keep nailing WR's before the ball got there, no reason to let them even come close to catching it."

defensive pass interference resets the down count on top of the yardage penalty, making the touchdown nearly inevitable

unless offensive holding in the end zone bumped the down count up to 4 (or resulted in immediate safety), there'd be little motivation to avoid it

9/13/2009 3:00:02 PM

UNC was exposed in this game. they will lose to ECU

9/13/2009 3:04:26 PM

i always wonder why when teams are backed up on their goal line with like 20 secs to go in the game they dont just interfere on every play until the clock runs out. eventually the qb will fuck up a pass or get sacked

9/13/2009 3:06:08 PM

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"Riding a defender to the ground like that is about as blatant as holding gets. You need to pay better attention."

This was not the problem. It was definitely holding. It was definitely not in the end zone....

9/14/2009 2:59:11 AM

and they lose 5 spots in the AP Poll

9/14/2009 10:12:32 AM

i still think losing that usc game was the best thing for this team.

1) people think we are a complete waste against a garbage sec team.
2) play a real team first and make sure we prime the team before we push our way into the rankings slowly as the season goes

unc has done the complete opposite.
1) people think they are legit b/c they have a #19/#25 ranking in some polls.
2) get exposed by cupcakes for who they are and get beat to hell culminating a failure of a season and coaching staff in a gigantic loss to nc state in november.


[Edited on September 14, 2009 at 10:51 AM. Reason : .]

9/14/2009 10:50:06 AM

^Let's hope that's the case. You forgot step 3 though...

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"unc has done the complete opposite. 1) people think they are legit b/c they have a #19/#25 ranking in some polls. 2) get exposed by cupcakes for who they are and get beat to hell culminating a failure of a season and coaching staff in a gigantic loss to nc state in november. 3) butch davis gets a nice raise after [annual] rumors start about him leaving for a bigtime program"

9/14/2009 11:08:34 AM

butch davis just needs to win 7 or 8 games this year before they play us so that our game with them 'really counts' and gives us somewhat of a boost in the rankings.

he also needs a good 12-15 years there to 'establish' that program and steal about 35% of the basketball budget.

9/14/2009 11:16:40 AM

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"i still think losing that usc game was the best thing for this team."

you're just an idiot, then. not even going to try to be nice about it.

9/14/2009 11:45:42 AM

^here let me give you my "internet sports commentator of the year" award out of my pocket.

'over football' pfftt.

9/14/2009 3:13:00 PM

It wasn't a good thing ... but it's not the devastating loss we all made it out to be.

9/14/2009 3:24:55 PM

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"UNC was exposed in this game. they will lose to ECU"

As much as i want to agree with you on this......Patrick Pinkey & the Pirate offense are back to rock paper scissors mode. (incomplete pass/sack/rush for no gain)

9/14/2009 3:31:19 PM

I have a hard time saying a loss is a good thing, especially in college football, home of the least fair post season in sports

However, its certainly a better thing than losing 34-0

9/14/2009 3:34:27 PM

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"unc has done the complete opposite. 1) people think they are legit b/c they have a #19/#25 ranking in some polls. 2) get exposed by cupcakes for who they are and get beat to hell culminating a failure of a season and coaching staff in a gigantic loss to nc state in november. 3) butch davis gets a nice raise after [annual] rumors start about him leaving for a bigtime program" 4) talk about how you were the youngest team in america."

added step 4

9/14/2009 3:40:27 PM

ECU 24

UNC 16

9/14/2009 7:43:35 PM

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"North Carolina's offense will be without two starters for three to four weeks, UNC coach Butch Davis said Wednesday. Center Lowell Dyer (shoulder) and tight end Zack Pianalto (foot) will not play against East Carolina, and both could miss up to a month of the Tar Heels' season."

9/16/2009 9:58:14 PM

^ Those two are out for a minimum of 3-4 weeks and then their injuries will be re-evaluated. It's likely they will be out for longer.

9/17/2009 12:02:44 AM

How do you dislocate your foot jumping 6 inches off the ground for a limp-wristed, gay ass spike?

9/17/2009 4:09:28 AM

this dude that i work said he lives beside one of UNCs trainers / sports med guys and said that Pianalto had a compound fracture...guess not?

9/17/2009 8:59:16 AM

there's no broken bones, so no

9/17/2009 9:10:50 AM

im getting ready to tell him that his neighbor is full of crap

9/17/2009 10:06:26 AM

Holes vs LSU in Atlanta on opening weekend next year. God I hope the tigers crush them.

[Edited on September 17, 2009 at 10:58 AM. Reason : ]

9/17/2009 10:58:26 AM

Mark my words, ECU will beat the Heels this weekend...it will be a close game but Butch will go 0-4 against ECU cause he sucks.

9/18/2009 9:59:37 AM

i want to see a 3-3 tie with a game-ending brawl similar to clempson/usc a few years back

9/18/2009 5:34:30 PM

yay - UNC can get crushed and then everyone can discredit the ACC again in week 1

9/18/2009 5:35:38 PM

Awesome how Butch has played ECU 4 times in 3 years

9/18/2009 6:34:47 PM

ECU is going to light the endzone in Kenan up, just like they did when the Tarholes were in Greenville a few years ago!

9/18/2009 7:24:15 PM

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"Awesome how Butch has played ECU 4 times in 3 years"

Miami played ECU in Carter-Finley in 1999 on account of that hurricane and all and ECU beat Miami. Logan v. Butch Davis. They lost to ECU in 96 too.

[Edited on September 18, 2009 at 8:28 PM. Reason : 0-2 at Miami, and 0-1 so far at UNC]

9/18/2009 8:26:28 PM

i predict...

ECU 20
UNCCH 13

9/19/2009 2:25:25 AM

9/19/2009 10:48:32 AM

Carolina was the better team today. Good for the ACC if nothing else.

I didn't watch much of the game, but what happened to Pinkney? I could have sworn he was a good QB at one point. His mechanics are horrible, and he doesn't see the field well at all.

9/19/2009 4:10:08 PM

well, at least Butch finally beat ECU

9/19/2009 4:14:07 PM

Sports Talk posters credibility watch?

9/19/2009 4:16:39 PM

lol they both looked like ass... ECU got fucking HOSED on the late hit call, completely diff ballgame if they dont fuck ecu sans lube.

9/19/2009 4:26:27 PM

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"Mark my words, ECU GT will beat the Heels this next weekend...it will be a close game but Butch will go 0-4 1-2 against ECU GT cause he sucks"

amirite??

9/19/2009 4:27:56 PM

yourite

9/19/2009 4:29:32 PM

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"lol they both looked like ass... ECU got fucking HOSED on the late hit call, completely diff ballgame if they dont fuck ecu sans lube."

Completely different as in UNC wins by 10 instead of 14? Give it a rest. UNC looked solid today and was clearly the better team.

9/19/2009 7:08:58 PM

is it just me or does it seem that UNC players over celebrate more than other teams?

i mean, i know that's the way players react these days, but damn. UNC players take it to another level

9/19/2009 7:15:56 PM

trust me, it's you

9/19/2009 7:18:03 PM

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"Completely different as in UNC wins by 10 instead of 14? Give it a rest. UNC looked solid today and was clearly the better team."

personal foul on elzy probably wouldve taken you out of the lesser barths FG range

9/19/2009 7:21:37 PM

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"is it just me or does it seem that UNC players over celebrate more than other teams?"

It's not you, Shone Drone, Little, and Rome feel the need to draw as much attention to themselves after EVERY play. And of course, the ECU player gets the late hit flag, I expect a lot more of that in the future for UNC from the refs. To the topic, UNC has done what they've needed to do, it's not something they should apologize for, being that every OOC team they've played the last two years has absolutely wet the bed. The bad thing now is that UNC can go 4-4 in conference and be 8-4 overall, and they play Duke and UVA, so 4-4 is highly likely. Tech(s), Miami, and FSU have to beat UNC. Strangely, I think they will beat Miami out of that bunch.

9/20/2009 9:53:16 AM

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"Completely different as in UNC wins by 10 instead of 14? Give it a rest. UNC looked solid today and was clearly the better team."

That play was 3rd and 12. UNC had already missed a FG. If pushed back 15 yards for the block in the back penalty, then it becomes a questionable FG. ECU at least has the potential to score and tie.

9/20/2009 11:55:57 AM