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"on year three of TOB's tenure following a coach that was defensive minded. with like 5-6 seniors on defense"

What team are you watching? Because I keep seeing one that starts and plays a TON of freshmen and sophomores. Maddox, Manning, Lucas, Wolff, Bishop, Smith, Byrd, Byers, Wilson, etc. Chuck's great (wherever you get this idea) defensive recruits are the reason we start all young guys.

10/31/2009 11:13:02 PM

Do not forget the RIDICULOUS amount of injuries we've had. That shit just isn't normal.

However, the coaches need to change our defensive game plan, or try to make some kind of adjustment during the game. The schemes we are playing clearly aren't working. I can't understand why this hasn't been addressed.

11/1/2009 12:29:02 PM

^^so you're telling me we aren't putting the best players on the field? even worse.

11/1/2009 12:59:13 PM

^^Wouldn't some of that blame follow on the strength and conditioning staff?

11/1/2009 1:12:27 PM

ncstate is the worst school in the acc and has been worse than any other school in it at basketball and football combined for the past 25 years.

[Edited on November 1, 2009 at 1:40 PM. Reason : a]

11/1/2009 1:40:06 PM

i was going to retort to that, but then I realized that you're right.

11/1/2009 2:02:56 PM

Mike Archer bets on the games against us. Why is he still employed?

11/14/2009 1:27:45 PM

Signed once MORE!!!

11/15/2009 2:12:44 PM

regardless of injuries, we had a 3rd and 11 yesterday and we rushed 3

Now, I'm not saying that isn't a good strategy...sometimes....but we've proven over the last 10 games that we're incapable of putting pressure on a qb with 4 linemen, let alone 3, yet we still decide its better to put the play in the hands of our shit secondary. What do they do? Let a receiver get behind them and give up a play of 40 yards.


Ironically, we rushed 5 and 6 on the first clemson drive of the game and forced a quick throw and punt.

but what the fuck do I know



If Archer isn't fired this offseason, and we have another season next year as abysmal as this on defense, (regardless of injuries....our scheme/play calling sucks), both he and O'Brien should be fired and forced to return 4 seasons worth of salary.

11/15/2009 3:02:29 PM

the time is now. hes gotta get the boot after this year

11/15/2009 3:08:01 PM

tob won't get rid of archer this offseason. next year will be nearly as bad as this year (only slightly better because irving will be back and our secondary will be slightly less crappy). we'll get into some crappy meaningless bowl game, saving tob's and archer's job.

we'll continue to suck until people realize that tob's coordinators at bc were the reasons for his success. spaz seems to be doing just fine without tob. meanwhile cheddar tooth has brought the most disappointing season ever to nc state (considering the expectations, this is unarguable.)

11/15/2009 3:35:37 PM

^ I concur. As an NC State fan I'm flat out embarrassed.

11/15/2009 3:44:20 PM

today georgia fired its defensive coordinator and two defensive assistants. mark richt cited among other things that the bulldogs gave up 30 points or more in five games this season.

if that's grounds for termination, archer would've been gone by the end of october.

for those tryna do the math in their head, we gave up 30 or more eight times, forty or more three times.

[Edited on December 2, 2009 at 11:05 PM. Reason : ]

12/2/2009 11:03:26 PM

richt might point to the points, but the fact is martinez and his staff were unable to make any in-game adjustments and flat out fail against spread offenses. it's not like he would have been fired if uga gave up 30 in 5 games but went 12-0

12/2/2009 11:08:30 PM

and thats with a dominant offense. (good offense makes it A LOT easier on your defense)

12/2/2009 11:09:28 PM

we have a good offense. the fact that we've been able to score the way we have all season when we're facing a well-rested d practically every time we take the field is a testament to how good it is.

12/2/2009 11:17:30 PM

^^^^ good post

[Edited on December 2, 2009 at 11:24 PM. Reason : adfasdf]

12/2/2009 11:23:42 PM

when your QB is third in the nation in passing touchdowns, you don't really need to worry about your offense.

when your QB throws 31 touchdown passes in a season and you still have a losing record, you need to fire your defensive coordinator.

12/2/2009 11:28:41 PM

Bobby you hit the nail on the head with your last post man! Get Archer's ass OUT OF RALEIGH!!!!!

12/3/2009 1:10:57 AM

!

12/3/2009 1:48:45 AM

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"richt O'brienmight point to the points, but the fact is if martinez archer and his staff were unable to make any in-game season adjustments and flat out fail against spread offenses."

he should be fired

12/3/2009 1:54:34 AM

if he is worried about continuity, bring in another guy who runs zone. just bring in someone who can teach and fucking coach

12/3/2009 2:00:31 AM

Man I saw that this thread had been bumped and I was looking for the announcement.

Seems like if there was to be an announcement that it would come sometime soon. If we don't hear something by the time all the bowl games are played out I guess I'll have to assume that Archer will be the DC for next season as well.

I hope that win against Carolina didn't make people forget just how bad our defense has been these last 3 years.

12/3/2009 8:03:09 AM

^if he were fired, you wouldn't have to look for this thread to be bumped. you could just click on any number of the 30 celebratory threads.

12/3/2009 9:10:00 AM

Good point.

12/3/2009 9:11:55 AM

How could any sound, intelligent Division 1 football coach, NOT get rid of a defensive coordinator like Archer after our past 8 game debacle which has gotten worse and not better??


Archer, would be out the door if he were the Def. Coor. at Notre Dame and FSU, so why in the hell is O'brien taking so long???

12/3/2009 1:34:33 PM

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"Man I saw that this thread had been bumped and I was looking for the announcement. "

12/3/2009 1:38:32 PM

i think obrien won't get rid of him. (not that i agree at the moment)

but obrien knows as well as archer that he was dealing with a terrible defense to begin with. and 1/2 through the season to the end it was terrible AND injured.

he'll give him another year.

i don't agree with that decision though. i just think it's realistically what will happen. prove me wrong TOB

[Edited on December 3, 2009 at 1:40 PM. Reason : 4]

12/3/2009 1:40:16 PM

jarvis byrd is already out for next season

obrien will bring this POS coach back, blame injuries and inexperience again, and we'll be right back here next year

12/3/2009 1:57:11 PM

well at least byrd will get the redshirt he should've gotten this year

12/3/2009 3:39:56 PM

12/3/2009 3:45:14 PM

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"jarvis byrd is already out for next season"

Is that "official"? I haven't even heard what the injury was.

12/3/2009 3:53:54 PM

reportedly a torn ACL, which makes sense with the way he went down without any contact to leg itself

[Edited on December 3, 2009 at 4:37 PM. Reason : a]

12/3/2009 4:36:11 PM

Torn ACL, out for next season (redshirt).

12/3/2009 4:38:05 PM

that's most unfortunate. for him and for us.

12/3/2009 4:52:48 PM

ice

fannies

what ACLs?

12/3/2009 5:35:00 PM

The only way obrien fires him is if he gets pressure from the AD. reportedly, taht's the only reason obrien fired an assistant at BC


we know lee fowler is a lazy shyster who is just raping NCSU athletics for all it's worth, so archer will not get fired until he does some shit like sexually harass a coed. he will never be fired based on his performance as a football coach.


Speaking of which, any chicks in sports talk want to volunteer to take one for the team? Perhaps kimslackey

[Edited on December 3, 2009 at 8:32 PM. Reason : .]

12/3/2009 8:22:05 PM

I will pay 100 dollars to have a female student of NC State get sexually assaulted or harrased by Lee Fowler and it results in his termination.

I am dead serious

12/3/2009 8:37:58 PM

Keep Lowe....but fire Archer. That makes sense.

Why don't we wait till he gets in his recruits. He has a great defensive recruiting class coming in next year. The cupboard was bare when he got here. The players he inherited don't fit his system. Who would want to be DC here if we fire him anyway. AMC was banging Willie Young's baby's momma and it killed the team chemistry.

Did I miss any excuses?

12/3/2009 8:43:59 PM

I will match that $100.


I have easily spent more than that on tickets to losing NCSU games. Getting rid of Fowler for that is a good value.

12/3/2009 8:44:15 PM

hopefully charita is preparing the incriminating evidence she had for release right now

12/3/2009 9:07:08 PM

fire archer

hire willie martinez.

12/3/2009 9:24:29 PM

We could hire the god damn octomom and be better than we were this year as long as Archer is gone.

12/3/2009 9:28:45 PM

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"The cupboard was bare when he got here."

Really? Come on... he has Willie Young, for fuck's sake. that's hardly "bare."

12/3/2009 9:55:10 PM

^ you done got trolled

12/3/2009 9:56:15 PM

damnit, missed the last sentence, lol

12/3/2009 10:01:30 PM

it took you to the last sentence?

12/3/2009 10:12:24 PM

we would fit right into the pac-10. we're just like these teams.

12/3/2009 10:32:27 PM

we would fit right into the pac-10. we're just like these teams.

12/3/2009 10:32:27 PM

DOPPELPOST


its all good. I will celebrate the day that Archer is gone. BobbyDigital hit it dead on.

12/4/2009 12:24:39 AM