Everyone knows that Harrow signed on to play for Lowe. He has shown more devotion to a coach than I have seen anyone show in a long time, and I'm sure this is hard on him. Zo is obviously on board. Hopefully their connection, along with Howell will keep Harrow put. CJL is hard to read because he is so casual and is obviously thinking in terms of dollar dollar bills.

4/6/2011 8:05:58 AM

is he in those pictures? I can't see him

plus I wonder who Gottfried was referring to when he said he had recruited some of our players and didn't get them

4/6/2011 8:06:35 AM

Man WTF is Harrow's problem. I remember a quote from him where he said he expected to be in the NBA in two years. So he's got an unrealistic view of himself and how quickly he's going to develop. He's probably thinking that this coaching change is hindering his two year plan. Great.

And I can understand being bummed out about Lowe, but man what was he expecting. He had to know his seat was warm before signing. And would he honestly rather stay here and lose than play under someone who almost certainly will do better just because the coach isn't Lowe?

Quote :

"plus I wonder who Gottfried was referring to when he said he had recruited some of our players and didn't get them"

Vandy, duh.

[Edited on April 6, 2011 at 8:08 AM. Reason : ...]

4/6/2011 8:06:55 AM

He was referring to Brown, who he recruited.

Let's jump to even more conclusions:

4/6/2011 8:18:59 AM

It's all good. I hear when Ryan Harrow keels over in despair that it does not deal with basketball here. It never does, otherwise he'd get yelled at by higher powers.

That series of pictures is pretty good too:





[Edited on April 6, 2011 at 8:40 AM. Reason : -]

4/6/2011 8:19:16 AM

hahah



credible

[Edited on April 6, 2011 at 8:23 AM. Reason : .]

4/6/2011 8:20:03 AM

"Lookin' forward to runnin' the train on these hoes with you, coach!"

4/6/2011 8:24:30 AM

Nice of Harrow to get dressed up for the presser.

Hopefully he'll give Mark a chance and see what he can do for his game. It might have been fun to play for Lowe, but I can't possibly believe he was happy with what we achieved this year.

4/6/2011 8:29:10 AM

^^^that dude on the left looks like the FOREVER ALONE guy

[Edited on April 6, 2011 at 8:31 AM. Reason : carrots carats karats carets]

4/6/2011 8:30:23 AM

Quote :

""Mo Williams plays in the NBA right now, and apparently he's helped him get there," said sophomore guard Lorenzo Brown. "That's a big deal for Ryan [Harrow] and me right now, because basically we're the only two point guards here, and I'm a point guard/shooting guard. I'm pretty sure he can help us out.""

N&O says he's a good recruiter who likes to play an up-tempo offense. Sounds fine to me (although this is how Lowe was described too). If he can sell Alabama to recruits and do well with them, I don't see why he can't make us credible.

4/6/2011 8:36:38 AM

You know part of Gottfried is like, "shit...I get to coach these three like they were my recruiting class"?! Sign me the fuck up!

Quote :

""Mark Gottfried will never be called passive against zone defenses! Attacking the heart of the zone, inside/out, is the goal of his offense. The keys are ball movement, man movement and penetrate as the ball moves from sideline to sideline. Gottfried believes that his perimeter players must be hard to guard and find the gap between two defenders. After one or two ball reversals, guards look to \knife the zone\" by driving gaps. Post players are taught to be aggressive and move hard against the zone. Post players must occupy defenders along the baseline by flashing and posting up. One feature of Gotfried's zone style is attacking from behind from the short corner.""

This was a couple pages back. Harrow and Zo need to be salivating at this. With Zo's athleticism and Harrow handling skills this is exactly the type of offense they should be in. Especially considering we get zoned up with our lack of shooters.

[Edited on April 6, 2011 at 8:39 AM. Reason : ]

4/6/2011 8:37:13 AM

yeah hopefully they both stay. MG has plenty of time to mold them and break the bad habits

4/6/2011 8:42:13 AM

There are about a dozen videos on youtube of Gottfried coaching and explaining his high post offense

I hope Harrow watches this and sees himself scoring with ease



And our bigs better start working on their 15-footers

4/6/2011 8:53:08 AM

What's Gary Busey doing at our press conference???

4/6/2011 8:55:34 AM

i googled "mark gottfried coaching staff", this thread is the 4th link

4/6/2011 9:11:58 AM

#1 link now

4/6/2011 9:16:37 AM

Rick Bonnell of The Charlotte Observer: "It's a safe bet ex-Charlotte Bobcat Gerald Wallace didn't send any congratulatory messages when he heard former Alabama coach Mark Gottfried got the N.C. State job. Wallace hated his one season under Gottfried so much he requested not to be described as a former Alabama player in Bobcats introductions."

4/6/2011 9:25:31 AM

awesome. not sure it thats a +1 or -1. Wallace acts like a dumbass, but i don't know enough about him besides he is really good at basketball.

[Edited on April 6, 2011 at 9:27 AM. Reason : d]

4/6/2011 9:26:49 AM

Fuck Gerald Wallace

4/6/2011 9:27:45 AM

Quote :

"“You commit to a coach,” Wood said. “You trust that coach. You don’t really commit to a school, as much as people don’t want to hear that. So it definitely changes when that coach leaves.”"

4/6/2011 9:29:06 AM

wood bringing the sad

4/6/2011 9:31:02 AM

well maybe YOU don't commit to a school.

4/6/2011 9:31:20 AM

holy fuck Ernie is Scott Wood

i knew it

4/6/2011 9:31:34 AM

I think these kid are still getting over the whole thing...it will take them getting back into practice mode to get over losing Lowe and having a new coach in place.

4/6/2011 9:33:06 AM

I will refrain from explaining how much I dislike Scott Wood's perspective out of respect for Scott Wood. But I really, really don't like that quote.

4/6/2011 9:36:20 AM

4/6/2011 9:37:15 AM

It took Gerald Wallace like 5 years to figure out he needed to learn how to shoot to play in the NBA. It's possible he wasnt very mature in college. Then again, it's also possible some of our current players aren't either...

Quote :

"calm down ...only as friends"

[Edited on April 6, 2011 at 9:39 AM. Reason : ]

4/6/2011 9:38:01 AM

They do need to remember that if they had performed better themselves Lowe would still be here. It sucks for them I am sure to lose a coach and the guy they signed up to play for. Either way Lowe wasn't getting much from their talent, and/or they were underperforming come game time. I can't imagine those guys not knowing that if they didnt make a good showing last year that Lowe would be gone. Hopefully, once they get to talk with Mark and have time to get over all that has happened they will realize this move had to be made and we have done our best to give those guys a chance to still succeed here at NC State.

4/6/2011 9:38:50 AM

Cannot understand what these kids are thinking. Yeah Lowe was a great guy but damn all he did was lose. Geez Wood, would you rather lose for four years and have a best friend or try and make the best of your college career?

4/6/2011 9:40:20 AM

I feel like if Gottfried does nothing else but get our players to play hard for 40 min. every game next season, then we make the tourney easily.

4/6/2011 9:40:26 AM

Maybe their talent is overrated. I hope to find out it was the system and coaching and not the talent, but....

4/6/2011 9:42:32 AM

Harrow has shown flashes (I was giddy during the first half of the first Clemson game watching him)... I really feel like the team needs him at his best more than CJL or LB

I obviously hope we're watching them all play in November

4/6/2011 9:43:08 AM

I don't really have a problem with Wood's quote. It's true. That's why kids get released from a LOI if a coach leaves a school. They're committing to the coach, not the mascot.

I seriously doubt Wood is going anywhere, but I guess I could see him going back to the midwest to play. CJL and Harrow are the ones to watch out for.

4/6/2011 9:46:58 AM

If harrow leaves it puts us in a bad position with no depth at point guard. and doubt there are any unsigned PG for this class. even in JuCo. next TL is class 2012.

4/6/2011 9:48:50 AM

Quote :

"Cannot understand what these kids are thinking. Yeah Lowe was a great guy but damn all he did was lose. Geez Wood, would you rather lose for four years and have a best friend or try and make the best of your college career?"

yeah, screw them for doing whatever they feel is best for them

4/6/2011 9:50:06 AM

Quote :

"They do need to remember that if they had performed better themselves Lowe would still be here. "

[Edited on April 6, 2011 at 9:52 AM. Reason : PP mentioned a possible Iowa PG transfer]

4/6/2011 9:51:41 AM

Harrow needs to see how Ronald Steele dominated when he was healthy.


Anyway, kid is emotional. Wood is right -- you come for the coach, not the school. Legally it's the school and fans hope it is the school, but it's mostly the coach. Gottfried has to get with Harrow and his parents and deal with this situation.

4/6/2011 9:52:55 AM

So the primary and overwhelming reason you guys have ever accepted any part-time job is because of your boss?

4/6/2011 9:55:55 AM

obviously they commit to a school because of the money

4/6/2011 9:58:18 AM

To be frank, I think some of these players liked playing for a black coach, which is understandable.

Not saying that's the whole reason they committed to NC State in the first place, or even a huge part of it necessarily, but I definitely think it helped and might help explain (with the exception of Wood) why the players apparently wanted Smart so badly and now seem disappointed with Gottfried.

That said, I don't think that the way some of them are acting is very respectable. Of course, these kids have the freedom to do whatever the hell they feel is best for them, but if they're going to stay at NC State, there is something to be said for making the best out of a situation that might be less than ideal for them. If they looked at the positives (that Gottfried is a better "Xs and Os" coach than Lowe, that he runs an uptempo offense that is fun for players, and that he's had experience getting to the tournament and a little experience winning in it), I think they could come to like the new coach. If they're going to transfer, transfer.

Not saying that the players who seem disappointed right now won't come around, though; I think they will.

4/6/2011 10:08:00 AM

They're the opposite of packboozie?!?

4/6/2011 10:09:52 AM

^^^well, it's true for unc

[Edited on April 6, 2011 at 10:11 AM. Reason : .]

4/6/2011 10:11:28 AM

Any player tweets since the conference?

4/6/2011 10:17:31 AM

hope everyone sticks around.

4/6/2011 10:18:51 AM

i'm leavin

4/6/2011 10:21:41 AM

^I DIDNT WANT YOU ANYWAY

4/6/2011 10:23:22 AM

I'm super glad to hear Zo is probably staying. I would absolutely love Harrow to stay too, but if losing Harrow is necessary to replace a coach who delivered 5 straight dismal seasons, then so be it.

4/6/2011 10:29:17 AM

You guys must have forgot the exodus of posters from ST when Beardawg61 was let go

4/6/2011 10:32:36 AM

some of this is just a couple of minced quotes being blown way out of proportion

there is some underlying truth but all of the rumored attrition was already in play before the press conference (wood to purdue, harrow to ???, cjl to nba/dl)

4/6/2011 10:39:45 AM

PackPride is removing any posts they see as bashing a player. I simply said that I hope Harrow and everyone stays, but if they are going to be a chemistry problem or won't go "all in" I wish them the best of luck as they walk out the door.

And I don't have a problem with Wood's comment. They are being recruited to play a sport, that's #1 and their eduction is #2--that's just how it is. You select the program that you best fit in. When the staff changes, the program changes, you may no longer "fit", or at least feel that way.

[Edited on April 6, 2011 at 10:47 AM. Reason : .]

4/6/2011 10:45:30 AM